FIRE WELTMAN

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He should have been declining on re-signing players like Isaac and Carter.

He should have moved them 2 seasons ago for more offense when Orlando was bottom 5. He will undoubtedly get less now with them on larger deals.

Signing KCP was a contention move. He is 32 and has a very specific role for a well defined system. He isn’t a guy that comes in and solves a lacking offense. A smart GM will move him in this situation, but I have a hard time believing Weltman will.

The Fultz experiment screwed “evaluation” timeline for Cole and AB. They should have been getting all of those minutes sooner for them to make real decisions on whether or not those two guys had the necessary skillsets.

Spoiler:

They don’t.

But no, instead you start him for 60 games for 30mpg to a team that isn’t truly contending to “wait and see”. Then instead of moving him you just let him expire. Why? Entire experiment failed and resulted in nothing. He could have acquired any number of long term assets at guard instead of rushing to find solutions now when you are in cap hell.

Weltman needed to start Fultz 60 games instead of testing his youth and THEN needed another season to make a determination when money didn’t exist. That is exactly the reason why I fought with a number of posters here about Fultz and timelines. I **** told you.

[Fortune Teller]

The best execs don't let all their assets die on the vine. They sell high and/or move on from mistakes before they compound.

As Pepe noted, other than winning the Vucevic trade (as part of a fire sale of Hennigan's roster), here is what Jeff has done with his assets:

Aaron Gordon = 0 (literally any other player in the NBA could've contributed the same or more than Gary Harris and R.J. Hampton)
Evan Fournier = 0
Mo Bamba = 0
Markelle Fultz = 0
Chuma Okeke = 0
Terrence Ross = 0
R.J. Hampton = 0

We're also approaching the point where Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, Jett Howard and Gary Harris will simply disappear into the ether after watching their trade value diminish year after year.

There is a difference between "natural progression" and stagnation, and Jeff falls into the latter category. Nine of the 15 players on the roster were drafted by the Magic, which I believe is the highest percentage in the league. That level of inertia suggests you have hit on a ridiculously high percentage of your draft picks and we know that's not the case. If we're being honest, if the ping-pong balls hadn't fallen Jeff's way in 2022 he'd probably be gone by now. Paolo's existence covers a whole lot of nothing over the course of 8 years.

[Magic_Johnny12]

The best execs don't let all their assets die on the vine. They sell high and/or move on from mistakes before they compound.

As Pepe noted, other than winning the Vucevic trade (as part of a fire sale of Hennigan's roster), here is what Jeff has done with his assets:

Aaron Gordon = 0 (literally any other player in the NBA could've contributed the same or more than Gary Harris and R.J. Hampton)
Evan Fournier = 0
Mo Bamba = 0
Markelle Fultz = 0
Chuma Okeke = 0
Terrence Ross = 0
R.J. Hampton = 0

We're also approaching the point where Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, Jett Howard and Gary Harris will simply disappear into the ether after watching their trade value diminish year after year.

There is a difference between "natural progression" and stagnation, and Jeff falls into the latter category. Nine of the 15 players on the roster were drafted by the Magic, which I believe is the highest percentage in the league. That level of inertia suggests you have hit on a ridiculously high percentage of your draft picks and we know that's not the case. If we're being honest, if the ping-pong balls hadn't fallen Jeff's way in 2022 he'd probably be gone by now. Paolo's existence covers a whole lot of nothing over the course of 8 years.

It’s actually insane when you write it all out like that and not sure how much we can credit Weltman for being solely responsible for drafting Franz. I think luck played a bigger part in all that than actual negotiation/foresight skill.

[OrlChamps2030]

The best execs don't let all their assets die on the vine. They sell high and/or move on from mistakes before they compound.

As Pepe noted, other than winning the Vucevic trade (as part of a fire sale of Hennigan's roster), here is what Jeff has done with his assets:

Aaron Gordon = 0 (literally any other player in the NBA could've contributed the same or more than Gary Harris and R.J. Hampton)
Evan Fournier = 0
Mo Bamba = 0
Markelle Fultz = 0
Chuma Okeke = 0
Terrence Ross = 0
R.J. Hampton = 0

We're also approaching the point where Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, Jett Howard and Gary Harris will simply disappear into the ether after watching their trade value diminish year after year.

There is a difference between "natural progression" and stagnation, and Jeff falls into the latter category. Nine of the 15 players on the roster were drafted by the Magic, which I believe is the highest percentage in the league. That level of inertia suggests you have hit on a ridiculously high percentage of your draft picks and we know that's not the case. If we're being honest, if the ping-pong balls hadn't fallen Jeff's way in 2022 he'd probably be gone by now. Paolo's existence covers a whole lot of nothing over the course of 8 years.

It’s actually insane when you write it all out like that and not sure how much we can credit Weltman for being solely responsible for drafting Franz. I think luck played a bigger part in all that than actual negotiation/foresight skill.

I mean yeah - Weltman passed on Franz at #5

[Rainwater]

This is how best teams operate most of the time. You accumulate assets and use it when you want to open your window. Use it too early and you will end up not good enough, without assets and without option to maneuver.
The critique of Celtics early was that they didnt make moves. The critique of OKC was that they accumulate assets for too long and tank seasons when SGA is ready to win. Sounds familiar ?

I really think people have been spoiled by the magic's early success. If Paolo and Franz were 28, 29 and Weltman's had made that comment I would be asking for his head but at 22 and 23 that only makes sense.

Sorry, that's way too much black and white thinking. There's a big difference between going all in win now trades and doing nothing for 3-4 years while creating one of the most unbalanced and offensively incompetent squads of the last 20 years. There is something in between these extremes. Even if you don't have championship goals, you don't have to be the only team to play without a real PG for years. Without ball handling or passing in the backcourt. Even without championship ambitions, you don't have to ignore that you are one (or the worst) of the worst 3-point teams in the league for years. Even without championship ambitions, you don't have to give your 2 young stars the most unsuitable squad for their abilities that you can think of. Even without championship ambitions, no one is stopping you from bringing real NBA talent into your squad.
He didnt accumulated assets because he built a roster of fringe NBA players around some top heavy talent and than waited til they lost the little value they had or resigned them despite the glaring needs of different skill sets.
To ignore all that and act like it's normal to be the only GM in the league to do nothing for 3-4 years and then try to solve everything at once when your cap situation is already maxed out is pretty naive.

I just completely disagree. I don’t know the reason why they waited to get back court help. The most logical reason is they wanted to see if Suggs and particularly Black, as a high draft pick, could develop into that PG they needed. Regardless of the reason as the team was too young to win and still growing I really can’t blame them for assessing because that is the time to do so. This is all about progression. If he finds the players to fill the holes the cap being maxed doesn’t make a difference.

Honestly, I feel like Weltman has done a great job. Built a nice young core, two playoff appearances just 4 years after a rebuild and now taking steps to complete the team. The progression of the team has been amazing. I just feel like everyone wants everything all at once. Look, If Weltman fails to fill the holes this offseason I will be upset and ask for his departure but until then I am really happy with where this team is at.

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I really think people have been spoiled by the magic's early success. If Paolo and Franz were 28, 29 and Weltman's had made that comment I would be asking for his head but at 22 and 23 that only makes sense.

Sorry, that's way too much black and white thinking. There's a big difference between going all in win now trades and doing nothing for 3-4 years while creating one of the most unbalanced and offensively incompetent squads of the last 20 years. There is something in between these extremes. Even if you don't have championship goals, you don't have to be the only team to play without a real PG for years. Without ball handling or passing in the backcourt. Even without championship ambitions, you don't have to ignore that you are one (or the worst) of the worst 3-point teams in the league for years. Even without championship ambitions, you don't have to give your 2 young stars the most unsuitable squad for their abilities that you can think of. Even without championship ambitions, no one is stopping you from bringing real NBA talent into your squad.
He didnt accumulated assets because he built a roster of fringe NBA players around some top heavy talent and than waited til they lost the little value they had or resigned them despite the glaring needs of different skill sets.
To ignore all that and act like it's normal to be the only GM in the league to do nothing for 3-4 years and then try to solve everything at once when your cap situation is already maxed out is pretty naive.

I just completely disagree.

Honestly, I feel like Weltman has done a great job. Built a nice young core, multi playoff appearances just 4 years after a rebuild and now taking steps to complete the team.

I just feel like everyone wants everything all at once.

Look, If Weltman fails to fill the holes this offseason I will be upset and ask for his departure but until then I am really happy with where this team is at.

Brother he hasn’t made trades in 4 years to address no point guard, a bottom 5 offense , and a historically terrible shooting roster for the playoffs.

He’s drafted well at the top of drafts and got 1 amazing asset out of a complete roster tear down that took him 1 year longer than necessary.

Yeah he’s gotten them back to the playoffs, but that’s bare minimum. We are a 2nd apron team after going 41-41. Yeah that’s due in part to injuries, but it doesn’t answer a lot of questions regarding where the roster sat last season.

[eyriq]

Sorry, that's way too much black and white thinking. There's a big difference between going all in win now trades and doing nothing for 3-4 years while creating one of the most unbalanced and offensively incompetent squads of the last 20 years. There is something in between these extremes. Even if you don't have championship goals, you don't have to be the only team to play without a real PG for years. Without ball handling or passing in the backcourt. Even without championship ambitions, you don't have to ignore that you are one (or the worst) of the worst 3-point teams in the league for years. Even without championship ambitions, you don't have to give your 2 young stars the most unsuitable squad for their abilities that you can think of. Even without championship ambitions, no one is stopping you from bringing real NBA talent into your squad.
He didnt accumulated assets because he built a roster of fringe NBA players around some top heavy talent and than waited til they lost the little value they had or resigned them despite the glaring needs of different skill sets.
To ignore all that and act like it's normal to be the only GM in the league to do nothing for 3-4 years and then try to solve everything at once when your cap situation is already maxed out is pretty naive.

I just completely disagree.

Honestly, I feel like Weltman has done a great job. Built a nice young core, multi playoff appearances just 4 years after a rebuild and now taking steps to complete the team.

I just feel like everyone wants everything all at once.

Look, If Weltman fails to fill the holes this offseason I will be upset and ask for his departure but until then I am really happy with where this team is at.

Brother he hasn’t made trades in 4 years to address no point guard, a bottom 5 offense , and a historically terrible shooting roster for the playoffs.

He’s drafted well at the top of drafts and got 1 amazing asset out of a complete roster tear down that took him 1 year longer than necessary.

On the flip side he spent two lottery picks in drafting point guards and cleared a development path for them by not trading for a point guard. In that stage of the rebuild it made sense to prioritize player development over win now moves like trading for a point guard and blocking Suggs and AB. He's turned the page now and is in win-now mode as Franz and Suggs enter the first year of their extensions.

[Skin]

It's the natural progression of a rebuild.

We'll see what action he takes this summer...nothing natural to me about "do nothing, do nothing, mastermind a summer with more cap space than anyone-and do nothing, then (drum roll) ...DO EVERYTHING all at once"

Sounds great to me, but I don't see it. You know I'm down for a five trade summer, but I'm not holding my breath.

This is how best teams operate most of the time. You accumulate assets and use it when you want to open your window. Use it too early and you will end up not good enough, without assets and without option to maneuver.
The critique of Celtics early was that they didnt make moves. The critique of OKC was that they accumulate assets for too long and tank seasons when SGA is ready to win. Sounds familiar ?

I don't ever remember the Celtics not being in a hurry to get better. There's a reason they rebuilt faster than us after they came out of the KG, Pierce, Allen era.

OKC has constantly been applauded for being aggressive. Big trades for picks, big hits in the draft, smart FA moves.

You mentioned 2 of the most aggressive teams in the whole league. They work smart and fast and they know how to bring in stars and theb right peices to add around them.

KCJ was flat out bad. He's been a career role player. He's the kind of guy that is typically avaiable on the waiver wire in fantasy and we paid him like he was a missing peice

[eyriq]

We'll see what action he takes this summer...nothing natural to me about "do nothing, do nothing, mastermind a summer with more cap space than anyone-and do nothing, then (drum roll) ...DO EVERYTHING all at once"

Sounds great to me, but I don't see it. You know I'm down for a five trade summer, but I'm not holding my breath.

This is how best teams operate most of the time. You accumulate assets and use it when you want to open your window. Use it too early and you will end up not good enough, without assets and without option to maneuver.
The critique of Celtics early was that they didnt make moves. The critique of OKC was that they accumulate assets for too long and tank seasons when SGA is ready to win. Sounds familiar ?

I don't ever remember the Celtics not being in a hurry to get better. There's a reason they rebuilt faster than us after they came out of the KG, Pierce, Allen era.

OKC has constantly been applauded for being aggressive. Big trades for picks, big hits in the draft, smart FA moves.

You mentioned 2 of the most aggressive teams in the whole league. They work smart and fast and they know how to bring in stars and theb right peices to add around them.

KCJ was flat out bad. He's been a career role player. He's the kind of guy that is typically avaiable on the waiver wire in fantasy and we paid him like he was a missing peice

OKC has a reputation for being extremely patient and conservative. There was pressure to make trades and frustration with inactivity last season. Trading Giddy was their first win-now move.

[Rainwater]

Sorry, that's way too much black and white thinking. There's a big difference between going all in win now trades and doing nothing for 3-4 years while creating one of the most unbalanced and offensively incompetent squads of the last 20 years. There is something in between these extremes. Even if you don't have championship goals, you don't have to be the only team to play without a real PG for years. Without ball handling or passing in the backcourt. Even without championship ambitions, you don't have to ignore that you are one (or the worst) of the worst 3-point teams in the league for years. Even without championship ambitions, you don't have to give your 2 young stars the most unsuitable squad for their abilities that you can think of. Even without championship ambitions, no one is stopping you from bringing real NBA talent into your squad.
He didnt accumulated assets because he built a roster of fringe NBA players around some top heavy talent and than waited til they lost the little value they had or resigned them despite the glaring needs of different skill sets.
To ignore all that and act like it's normal to be the only GM in the league to do nothing for 3-4 years and then try to solve everything at once when your cap situation is already maxed out is pretty naive.

I just completely disagree.

Honestly, I feel like Weltman has done a great job. Built a nice young core, multi playoff appearances just 4 years after a rebuild and now taking steps to complete the team.

I just feel like everyone wants everything all at once.

Look, If Weltman fails to fill the holes this offseason I will be upset and ask for his departure but until then I am really happy with where this team is at.

Brother he hasn’t made trades in 4 years to address no point guard, a bottom 5 offense , and a historically terrible shooting roster for the playoffs.

He’s drafted well at the top of drafts and got 1 amazing asset out of a complete roster tear down that took him 1 year longer than necessary.

Yeah he’s gotten them back to the playoffs, but that’s bare minimum. We are a 2nd apron team after going 41-41. Yeah that’s due in part to injuries, but it doesn’t answer a lot of questions regarding where the roster sat last season.

They are only 4 years out of a rebuild with 2 playoff appearances and their best players are only 22,23. They had the second best defense in the league and somehow made the playoffs despite a host of injuries. Regardless of the flaws this is amazing and they have plenty of time to fix things. What happened last year is not forever.

Look, the Magic are still building. A lot of teams don’t make the progress the Magic have made in such a short period of time. Hell, none of those post Dwight teams were ever as good as this current team.

And just because you sit at the top of the draft doesn’t mean you will draft well. Post Dwight the Magic sat at the top of the draft for years with nothing to show for it.

I get it people are upset with what happened this season but if the Magic get the offensive fire power they are aiming to get I could care less with what happened considering they weren’t really expectations of a title run and they are so young. I love the progression of this team and Weltman just needs to do the work in the offseason.

[Skin]

I just completely disagree.

Honestly, I feel like Weltman has done a great job. Built a nice young core, multi playoff appearances just 4 years after a rebuild and now taking steps to complete the team.

I just feel like everyone wants everything all at once.

Look, If Weltman fails to fill the holes this offseason I will be upset and ask for his departure but until then I am really happy with where this team is at.

Brother he hasn’t made trades in 4 years to address no point guard, a bottom 5 offense , and a historically terrible shooting roster for the playoffs.

He’s drafted well at the top of drafts and got 1 amazing asset out of a complete roster tear down that took him 1 year longer than necessary.

Yeah he’s gotten them back to the playoffs, but that’s bare minimum. We are a 2nd apron team after going 41-41. Yeah that’s due in part to injuries, but it doesn’t answer a lot of questions regarding where the roster sat last season.

They are only 4 years out of a rebuild with 2 playoff appearances and their best players only 22,23. They had second best defense in the league and somehow made the playoffs despite a host of injuries. Regardless of the flaws this is amazing and they have plenty of time to fix things. What happened last year is not forever.

Look, the Magic are still building. A lot of teams don’t make the progress the Magic have made in such a short period of time. Hell, none of those post Dwight teams were ever as good as this current team.

And just because you sit at the top of the draft doesn’t mean you will draft well. Post Dwight the Magic sat at the top of the draft for years with nothing to show for it.

I get it people are upset with what happened this season but if the Magic get the offensive fire power they are aiming to get I could care less with what happened considering they weren’t really expectations of a title run and they are so young. I love the progression of this team and Weltman just needs to do the work in the offseason.

Do you think Weltman thought he had built a good offense and just miscalculated his expectations or do you think that he just realized this was a problem now?

[Rainwater]

Brother he hasn’t made trades in 4 years to address no point guard, a bottom 5 offense , and a historically terrible shooting roster for the playoffs.

He’s drafted well at the top of drafts and got 1 amazing asset out of a complete roster tear down that took him 1 year longer than necessary.

Yeah he’s gotten them back to the playoffs, but that’s bare minimum. We are a 2nd apron team after going 41-41. Yeah that’s due in part to injuries, but it doesn’t answer a lot of questions regarding where the roster sat last season.

They are only 4 years out of a rebuild with 2 playoff appearances and their best players only 22,23. They had second best defense in the league and somehow made the playoffs despite a host of injuries. Regardless of the flaws this is amazing and they have plenty of time to fix things. What happened last year is not forever.

Look, the Magic are still building. A lot of teams don’t make the progress the Magic have made in such a short period of time. Hell, none of those post Dwight teams were ever as good as this current team.

And just because you sit at the top of the draft doesn’t mean you will draft well. Post Dwight the Magic sat at the top of the draft for years with nothing to show for it.

I get it people are upset with what happened this season but if the Magic get the offensive fire power they are aiming to get I could care less with what happened considering they weren’t really expectations of a title run and they are so young. I love the progression of this team and Weltman just needs to do the work in the offseason.

Do you think Weltman thought he had built a good offense and just miscalculated his expectations or do you think that he just realized this was a problem now?

I think he was still assessing especially the Black/Suggs PG thing and decided to pivot based off what they have seen. The locked on Magic podcast said something similar and I pretty much agree.

[basketballRob]

They are only 4 years out of a rebuild with 2 playoff appearances and their best players only 22,23. They had second best defense in the league and somehow made the playoffs despite a host of injuries. Regardless of the flaws this is amazing and they have plenty of time to fix things. What happened last year is not forever.

Look, the Magic are still building. A lot of teams don’t make the progress the Magic have made in such a short period of time. Hell, none of those post Dwight teams were ever as good as this current team.

And just because you sit at the top of the draft doesn’t mean you will draft well. Post Dwight the Magic sat at the top of the draft for years with nothing to show for it.

I get it people are upset with what happened this season but if the Magic get the offensive fire power they are aiming to get I could care less with what happened considering they weren’t really expectations of a title run and they are so young. I love the progression of this team and Weltman just needs to do the work in the offseason.

Do you think Weltman thought he had built a good offense and just miscalculated his expectations or do you think that he just realized this was a problem now?

I thing he was still assessing especially the Black/Suggs PG thing and decided to pivot based off what they have seen.

They likely planned on Cole being able to play alongside of Black off the bench, but he was unplayable at the beginning of the season.

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[Rainwater]

Do you think Weltman thought he had built a good offense and just miscalculated his expectations or do you think that he just realized this was a problem now?

I thing he was still assessing especially the Black/Suggs PG thing and decided to pivot based off what they have seen.

They likely planned on Cole being able to play alongside of Black off the bench, but he was unplayable at the beginning of the season.

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I think the plan long term was for Black to start at PG. Every move up to this point seemed to indicate that until this recent pivot in my opinion. Let Fultz go and did not sign a PG. Signed a SG KCP to a short term deal. And I doubt they drafted Black 6th in the draft to be a bench player. I think they were hoping for more but I think they had seen enough to show it wasn’t going to work.

But I wonder what they do with Black if the get perimeter help. Will he come off the bench or will he be traded? I was impressed with him in the playoffs he was very good defensively but if he can’t help on offense it’s a problem.

[eyriq]

I thing he was still assessing especially the Black/Suggs PG thing and decided to pivot based off what they have seen.

They likely planned on Cole being able to play alongside of Black off the bench, but he was unplayable at the beginning of the season.

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I think the plan long term was for Black to start at PG. Every move up to this point seemed to indicate that until this recent pivot in my opinion. Let Fultz go and did not sign a PG. Signed a SG KCP to a short term deal. And I doubt they drafted Black 6th in the draft to be a bench player. I think they were hoping for more but I think they had seen enough to show it wasn’t going to work.

But I wonder what they do with Black if the get perimeter help. Will he come off the bench or will he be traded? I was impressed with him in the playoffs he was very good defensively but if he can’t help on offense it’s a problem.

What's the pivot that indicates they are moving away from AB?

Turning the page on the rebuild was always going to happen this off-season with the cap sheet maturing.

[basketballRob]

I thing he was still assessing especially the Black/Suggs PG thing and decided to pivot based off what they have seen.

They likely planned on Cole being able to play alongside of Black off the bench, but he was unplayable at the beginning of the season.

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I think the plan long term was for Black to start at PG. Every move up to this point seemed to indicate that until this recent pivot in my opinion. Let Fultz go and did not sign a PG. Signed a SG KCP to a short term deal. And I doubt they drafted Black 6th in the draft to be a bench player. I think they were hoping for more but I think they had seen enough to show it wasn’t going to work.

But I wonder what they do with Black if the get perimeter help. Will he come off the bench or will he be traded? I was impressed with him in the playoffs he was very good defensively but if he can’t help on offense it’s a problem.

It means Black will keep improving, and having a ballhandler beside him will help him, too. A veteran Black in a couple of seasons may be able to run the team.

Suggs - KCP
Playmaking guard - Black

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[Skin]

They likely planned on Cole being able to play alongside of Black off the bench, but he was unplayable at the beginning of the season.

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I think the plan long term was for Black to start at PG. Every move up to this point seemed to indicate that until this recent pivot in my opinion. Let Fultz go and did not sign a PG. Signed a SG KCP to a short term deal. And I doubt they drafted Black 6th in the draft to be a bench player. I think they were hoping for more but I think they had seen enough to show it wasn’t going to work.

But I wonder what they do with Black if the get perimeter help. Will he come off the bench or will he be traded? I was impressed with him in the playoffs he was very good defensively but if he can’t help on offense it’s a problem.

What's the pivot that indicates they are moving away from AB?

Turning the page on the rebuild was always going to happen this off-season with the cap sheet maturing.

If not AB, which players do you think have enough value to make a significant pivot? ...and what position do you feel needs the biggest the upgrade?

[eyriq]

I think the plan long term was for Black to start at PG. Every move up to this point seemed to indicate that until this recent pivot in my opinion. Let Fultz go and did not sign a PG. Signed a SG KCP to a short term deal. And I doubt they drafted Black 6th in the draft to be a bench player. I think they were hoping for more but I think they had seen enough to show it wasn’t going to work.

But I wonder what they do with Black if the get perimeter help. Will he come off the bench or will he be traded? I was impressed with him in the playoffs he was very good defensively but if he can’t help on offense it’s a problem.

What's the pivot that indicates they are moving away from AB?

Turning the page on the rebuild was always going to happen this off-season with the cap sheet maturing.

If not AB, which players do you think have enough value to make a significant pivot? ...and what position do you feel needs the biggest the upgrade?

To start, I think we've got our two franchise players. We don't need to put together superstar or all-star packages.

What we need is 1. a playmaking guard with reliable shooting and 2. a high volume, efficient three-point shooter who can also defend. I don't think we have the first role on the roster though this is the development path for AB, and Suggs might fill the second role. KCP is neither, too low volume.

So move #1 is to swap KCP for a reliable shooting playmaker.

I think we need a bench scorer that can shoot. So move #2 is to swap Cole for a 6th man.

The last need is a reliable shooting wing. TDS and Caleb are trying to develop into this but I'd prefer to acquire one.

We might need to include a first for a reliable shooting playmaker. One or two second for a sixth man along with Cole.

I just don't think our needs are going to be that expensive.

Ideal trade frameworks are based on the quality of the player being acquired and draft equity being sent.

Superstar: 3-5 first round picks (some unprotected) + pick swaps + young prospects + expiring or matching contracts.

All-star: 2-3 firsts (some unprotected) + swap or young player + expiring or matching contracts.

Third option: 1 first (lightly protected) or 2 seconds and prospect + young player or filler

Quality starter: 1 first (protected) or 2-3 seconds + filler

Anything else and you are looking at seconds only.

[basketballRob]

The Spurs gave up Tre Jones, Zach Collins, 3 1sts, and 3 2nds for Fox.

If you're giving up picks, you don't need to add a young player.

Isaac, Cole, Jett, and TDS all only have one fully guaranteed season.

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[basketballRob]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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