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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#501 » by RichCollab » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:10 pm

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Skybox wrote:I think a renewed Isaac is as big an X-factor for this team as anyone beyond the Big 4. When he's prime Isaac (and hitting 3's at 37% +...like he did the previous 2 years), he's clearly the most impactful non-starter - even if just defensively and even just 15-18 mpg. I still like him at small ball C, even when slimmed down again. His manic energy and devotion to defense can demolish game plans single-handedly.

A pretty ideal summer would be
- Isaac getting to his physical prime and getting his shots to fall while developing his rebounding techniques.
-Jase Richardson falling to #25 and being ROY in a backcourt pairing with AB, where he is given as much offensive rope as he can handle (or Clayton)
-upgrading starting C
-unloading some of the bloated bench payroll


Renewed? How many seasons has he delivered this vision you have of him for a reason games played per year. I will show grace and credit him with 1 season.

We every offseason have this just wait and see JI next season hope.


Certainly more reasons to doubt Isaac than to bet on him...that's why I say X-factor
-his injury history, limitations and last year shooting make him near worthless on the trade market
-at his best, we all must agree that he has DPOY potential (if he can play the minutes) and can change the vibe of a game just on the defensive end
-I think he's a better bet vs the alternatives...he's either walking wounded or massively impactful for $15m. Easy to say Rasheer Fleming can replace him but that's far from guaranteed (not that we can get RF anyway)...people say the same thing about 19yo's with wingspan every year, but...they don't.

*I'm basing this "one more chance" on his end of year comments about the weight gain disappointment...there's a (sensible) explanation for his decline this year. There's also some reason to be hopeful - he's effectively been healthy for two seasons now.

Bloated bench meaning Goga $9m for 3rd string, couldn't get on the court in the playoffs despite Moe being out. WCJ hitting $18m the year after when he's not starter-quality and historically misses games. Jett at $5.5m and AB at 7.9m and smelling an extension are not contributing to the degree they should. I can live with Moe at $11m...but only if 3rd string C is making $3m...just, generally, need to soup up the Top 8 and thin out the bottom 5, payroll wise.


JI could be great and love the dude. But DPOY ship has sailed. To much mileage on his body.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#502 » by orlando_joe » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:11 pm

Skybox wrote:Good news everyone...problems solved (again)

#1
ORL sends: Goga, Jett, #25, future srp
BRK sends: #26 and #27

#2
ORL sends: WCJ, Houstan, #27
DAL sends: Gafford, Hardy

ORL declines and re-ups Moe (3x$8m), declines Harris, draft Raynaud at #26, Tyrese Proctor at #46, and R. Nembhard at #57

Gafford, Isaac, Raynaud (Moe)...I still like Isaac situationally at small ball 5, Moe will be back soon for backup mins
Paolo, Isaac
Franz, TdS
Suggs, Hardy
Bane, AB, Proctor or Nembhard (ONE of them will click)

ok...
i am not doing #1 or #2...but sure its not surprise...exp gafford and trading wcj and goga? lol..what has he shown without luka? i will answer nothing
can not shoot ouside lobs...does not rebound...cant play big min...or many games...and wont be able to sign him...i mean other then that ..he does gamble for blocks and get out of position?
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#503 » by jezzerinho » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:12 pm

Skybox wrote:Good news everyone...problems solved (again)

#1
ORL sends: Goga, Jett, #25, future srp
BRK sends: #26 and #27

#2
ORL sends: WCJ, Houstan, #27
DAL sends: Gafford, Hardy

ORL declines and re-ups Moe (3x$8m), declines Harris, draft Raynaud at #26, Tyrese Proctor at #46, and R. Nembhard at #57

Gafford, Isaac, Raynaud (Moe)...I still like Isaac situationally at small ball 5, Moe will be back soon for backup mins
Paolo, Isaac
Franz, TdS
Suggs, Hardy
Bane, AB, Proctor or Nembhard (ONE of them will click)


Your #2 trade is interesting for both sides I think, strictly in a keep-Moe scenario. I don't think Moe will stay beyond this season tho.

Edit: didn't realise Gafford was expiring. Makes it less appealing.
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Post#504 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:14 pm

I like Goga, but I don't think he gets you a frp. I think AB might get you a late frp if the other team really has a spot and a vision for him.

I think there's some homerism here that I am as guilty as anyone, when we say...
"Goga is a starter-quality C" and yet, he can't even get on the floor in the playoffs and there are two fairly mediocre guys ahead of him in the rotation who are always hurt.

AB was drafted in a high spot but anyone who isn't as emotionally invested in his development as we are will think, "who is Anthony Black" or, maybe "That's the kid with the hair that took the funny jersey swap pic with Grady Dick"...not "9ppg, 3 apg, 3 rpg, coming up for extension - Wow, we must have him"
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#505 » by jezzerinho » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:20 pm

Skybox wrote:I like Goga, but I don't think he gets you a frp. I think AB might get you a late frp if the other team really has a spot and a vision for him.

I think there's some homerism here that I am as guilty as anyone, when we say...
"Goga is a starter-quality C" and yet, he can't even get on the floor in the playoffs and there are two fairly mediocre guys ahead of him in the rotation who are always hurt.

AB was drafted in a high spot but anyone who isn't as emotionally invested in his development as we are will think, "who is Anthony Black" or, maybe "That's the kid with the hair that took the funny jersey swap pic with Grady Dick"...not "9ppg, 3 apg, 3 rpg, coming up for extension - Wow, we must have him"


Goga easily commands a late first. For a PnR team who watched him mid-season with Franz, that's an easy yes.

Black is trickier. On-ball guys take longer so he gets some slack. I still think a late 1st is fair.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#506 » by orlando_joe » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:24 pm

Skybox wrote:I like Goga, but I don't think he gets you a frp. I think AB might get you a late frp if the other team really has a spot and a vision for him.

I think there's some homerism here that I am as guilty as anyone, when we say...
"Goga is a starter-quality C" and yet, he can't even get on the floor in the playoffs and there are two fairly mediocre guys ahead of him in the rotation who are always hurt.

AB was drafted in a high spot but anyone who isn't as emotionally invested in his development as we are will think, "who is Anthony Black" or, maybe "That's the kid with the hair that took the funny jersey swap pic with Grady Dick"...not "9ppg, 3 apg, 3 rpg, coming up for extension - Wow, we must have him"


sure but lets move back in draft give wcj,goga houstan and jett for exp gafford ..kill depth at both foward and center for what really is not a better player? lol....ok
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#507 » by SOUL » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:26 pm

Skybox wrote:I like Goga, but I don't think he gets you a frp. I think AB might get you a late frp if the other team really has a spot and a vision for him.

I think there's some homerism here that I am as guilty as anyone, when we say...
"Goga is a starter-quality C" and yet, he can't even get on the floor in the playoffs and there are two fairly mediocre guys ahead of him in the rotation who are always hurt.

AB was drafted in a high spot but anyone who isn't as emotionally invested in his development as we are will think, "who is Anthony Black" or, maybe "That's the kid with the hair that took the funny jersey swap pic with Grady Dick"...not "9ppg, 3 apg, 3 rpg, coming up for extension - Wow, we must have him"


There is always homerism but you are definitely undervaluing them.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#508 » by RichCollab » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:26 pm

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Skybox wrote:I like Goga, but I don't think he gets you a frp. I think AB might get you a late frp if the other team really has a spot and a vision for him.

I think there's some homerism here that I am as guilty as anyone, when we say...
"Goga is a starter-quality C" and yet, he can't even get on the floor in the playoffs and there are two fairly mediocre guys ahead of him in the rotation who are always hurt.

AB was drafted in a high spot but anyone who isn't as emotionally invested in his development as we are will think, "who is Anthony Black" or, maybe "That's the kid with the hair that took the funny jersey swap pic with Grady Dick"...not "9ppg, 3 apg, 3 rpg, coming up for extension - Wow, we must have him"


sure but lets move back in draft give wcj,goga houstan and jett for exp gafford ..kill depth at both foward and center for what really is not a better player? lol....ok


I would say fit with our core 4 is as person as who the better player is.
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Post#509 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:29 pm

jezzerinho wrote:I don't think Moe will stay beyond this season tho.



What do you mean about Moe?

If there's any reason to think he's not staying beyond this (rehab and ramp up) season, cut him now...I figure he's in for the long haul, just a matter of how much ORL is capable/willing to pay...I don't think the market is clamoring for him...but I do like him.

People in ORL kind of casually say "He was the 6MOY until he got hurt"...He's nice on offense, but I don't know about that.
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Post#510 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:42 pm

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You do realize JI is high risk to be out? He can’t ramp up to cover when others are out.

well he played 71 games last yr and 58 first yr back with no back to backs or 3 in 4 nights type deals that yr
he is or can be expiring deal for last 3 yrs of deal..
but he sure covers other players when he is in..lol


JI is really fools gold as a defensive anchor because of his availability. We need win now moves to round out the top 4.


Played 71 games last season, 15 mins...I don't really consider him an anchor - more of a missile :D

I understand this could be an endless debate that would be settled when he goes down in a heap...but, until he does, 15 minutes of JI, imo, is very impactful...especially in light of his analysis of what went wrong this year and his enthusiasm to correct it. I won't be horrified, Xatticus style, if they moved him, but he's such an enigma that I want to see it unfold here.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#511 » by Airgordon00 » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:43 pm

Bring Vooch Home!

Magic get Vooch and Lonzo Ball

Bulls get WCJ, JI, Jett, 46th pick and 58th pick.

Bulls get much needed defense and take a flyer on a former lotto pick plus some extra draft capital.

Magic get a floor spacing big in Vooch who just shot 40% from 3 this past season. He still is a good rebounder and a way better post threat than Dell. We get a really good passer in Lonzo who also can hit a decent clip on 3. Health is always a problem with Lonzo but it’s not like Dell or JI are good in that department either. We get off some not so great long term contracts while giving us some good players in positions of need. We then could hopefully go after NAW or some other scoring guard in free agency.

Suggs/Ball/Cojo
Bane/NAW/Vet minimum
Franz/Black/Houstan
Paolo/TDS/Vet minimum
Vooch/Moe/Goga

Thoughts?
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Post#512 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 20, 2025 3:48 pm

Airgordon00 wrote:Bring Vooch Home!

Magic get Vooch and Lonzo Ball

Bulls get WCJ, JI, Jett, 46th pick and 58th pick.

Bulls get much needed defense and take a flyer on a former lotto pick plus some extra draft capital.

Magic get a floor spacing big in Vooch who just shot 40% from 3 this past season. He still is a good rebounder and a way better post threat than Dell. We get a really good passer in Lonzo who also can hit a decent clip on 3. Health is always a problem with Lonzo but it’s not like Dell or JI are good in that department either. We get off some not so great long term contracts while giving us some good players in positions of need. We then could hopefully go after NAW or some other scoring guard in free agency.

Suggs/Ball/Cojo
Bane/NAW/Vet minimum
Franz/Black/Houstan
Paolo/TDS/Vet minimum
Vooch/Moe/Goga

Thoughts?


I love Lonzo's game and his BBIQ, but he's a REAL risk of missed games, even beyond Isaac or Porzingis...I have to wonder if Vuc's shooting and passing could further unlock our forward's excellence or if it would just be a defensive nightmare. Vuc is an excellent defensive rebounder-which is nice. Both are expiring too...but we might be so far over the cap that it's a big problem to re-sign them or their replacements.

In our present circumstance, "expirings" don't necessarily = usable cap space

But I like both players at least as much as the outgoings.
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Post#513 » by Furinkazan » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:19 pm

nooo to Vooch backpedaling ... I dont want to see it ever again....PTSD ...
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Post#514 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:21 pm

Furinkazan wrote:nooo to Vooch backpedaling ... I dont want to see it ever again....PTSD ...


That's how I feel about WCJ's pump fake when he's wide open at the top of the key
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Post#515 » by jezzerinho » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:29 pm

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jezzerinho wrote:I don't think Moe will stay beyond this season tho.



What do you mean about Moe?

If there's any reason to think he's not staying beyond this (rehab and ramp up) season, cut him now...I figure he's in for the long haul, just a matter of how much ORL is capable/willing to pay...I don't think the market is clamoring for him...but I do like him.

People in ORL kind of casually say "He was the 6MOY until he got hurt"...He's nice on offense, but I don't know about that.


He famously wasn't thrilled about his last deal and this time around he'll surely get less, with the injury. Given he's Franz bro, we can't hardball too much so I imagine we'll reach a deal with him where he can get back when he's healed for this coming year, but on a cheap 1 year. Moe will want to bet on himself for next season as a FA and we won't be able to afford him.

It might all work out differently, but I don't see Moe doing a team friendly deal.
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Post#516 » by RichCollab » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:32 pm

Skybox wrote:
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orlando_joe wrote:well he played 71 games last yr and 58 first yr back with no back to backs or 3 in 4 nights type deals that yr
he is or can be expiring deal for last 3 yrs of deal..
but he sure covers other players when he is in..lol


JI is really fools gold as a defensive anchor because of his availability. We need win now moves to round out the top 4.


Played 71 games last season, 15 mins...I don't really consider him an anchor - more of a missile :D

I understand this could be an endless debate that would be settled when he goes down in a heap...but, until he does, 15 minutes of JI, imo, is very impactful...especially in light of his analysis of what went wrong this year and his enthusiasm to correct it. I won't be horrified, Xatticus style, if they moved him, but he's such an enigma that I want to see it unfold here.


It would be a different conversation if it was 15 minutes for 72 games half the seasons in the league. But it’s not.

Also, we wasn’t great. Was good at times for sure.

You have to target one season for great defense. Another season for 72 games played.

Season 8 is when you accept reality about Availability? Let’s say he does 72 games with 15 minutes per this year but is also just the same player? Losing weight doesn’t get him back to great.

JI is always about wait to see JI will be xyz next season when he literally has very few from his career.

I’m cool if JI stays. He was my only hope at one time for a top 30 player on our team at the time.

When do you accept his history is as good as it gets.

AB gets a couple more seasons before I have a I know the finished product AB is.

No one is safe if we can improve the team though.
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Post#517 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:33 pm

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jezzerinho wrote:I don't think Moe will stay beyond this season tho.



What do you mean about Moe?

If there's any reason to think he's not staying beyond this (rehab and ramp up) season, cut him now...I figure he's in for the long haul, just a matter of how much ORL is capable/willing to pay...I don't think the market is clamoring for him...but I do like him.

People in ORL kind of casually say "He was the 6MOY until he got hurt"...He's nice on offense, but I don't know about that.


He famously wasn't thrilled about his last deal and this time around he'll surely get less, with the injury. Given he's Franz bro, we can't hardball too much so I imagine we'll reach a deal with him where he can get back when he's healed for this coming year, but on a cheap 1 year. Moe will want to bet on himself for next season as a FA and we won't be able to afford him.

It might all work out differently, but I don't see Moe doing a team friendly deal.


that would be sad...but we're kind of out of the charitable phase...not necessarily "hardball" or bullying, just where we're at.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#518 » by RichCollab » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:40 pm

Skybox wrote:
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Skybox wrote:

What do you mean about Moe?

If there's any reason to think he's not staying beyond this (rehab and ramp up) season, cut him now...I figure he's in for the long haul, just a matter of how much ORL is capable/willing to pay...I don't think the market is clamoring for him...but I do like him.

People in ORL kind of casually say "He was the 6MOY until he got hurt"...He's nice on offense, but I don't know about that.


He famously wasn't thrilled about his last deal and this time around he'll surely get less, with the injury. Given he's Franz bro, we can't hardball too much so I imagine we'll reach a deal with him where he can get back when he's healed for this coming year, but on a cheap 1 year. Moe will want to bet on himself for next season as a FA and we won't be able to afford him.

It might all work out differently, but I don't see Moe doing a team friendly deal.


that would be sad...but we're kind of out of the charitable phase...not necessarily "hardball" or bullying, just where we're at.


Moe wasn’t getting any bites from other teams. When he was healthy and delivering on offense without Ingles setting him up I felt great about Moe’s contract. But it was flexible for a reason and an injury is unfortunate. Also, we will have hard cap limits if we aren’t careful so we really can give out extra money if we want to win.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#519 » by Furinkazan » Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:48 pm

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Furinkazan wrote:nooo to Vooch backpedaling ... I dont want to see it ever again....PTSD ...


That's how I feel about WCJ's pump fake when he's wide open at the top of the key



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Post#520 » by VFX » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:22 pm

Not sure why people are out on Moe.

He will resign for a restructured deal. Orlando’s bench offense is actually garbage other than Moe despite his defense. If you get rid of him you have to find other ways of scoring that aren’t theoretical.

Anthony Lack or Tristan da Silva aren’t providing scoring punch off the bench. Those are nice supplemental role players. That’s it.

Moe might be one way, but he at least has an elite skillset. Goga does too but in the opposite direction. Carter has neither as the middle ground most average Center.

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