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BadMofoPimp wrote:I still think Henny should have not traded Dwight without dumping Hedo's or some other albatross contract.
BadMofoPimp wrote:OrlandoNed wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:I still think Henny should have not traded Dwight without dumping Hedo's or some other albatross contract.
Oh my god shut up.
We got rid of Jason Richardson and Duhon in the trade. We bought out Hedo for half of what he was owed in his final year. Hedo was easier to get rid of than Richardson and Duhon so trading those 2 was the correct move.
We bought out Hedo for what Richardson still got paid!
The Magic have clearly decided to punt restricted free agency for now, concluding correctly it would result in them paying a “B” player “A” money. And they’re still slated to have about $14 million in cap space to play with after July 10, with plenty of future flexibility. They could have used all of that room to help the Cavs clear LeBron-level cap space, as Boston just did in nabbing two useful assets — a first-round pick and Tyler Zeller — as the price for swallowing Marcus Thornton’s expiring contract.
The Cavs reached out to the Magic and just about every other team with the requisite room, but Boston used its leftover trade exception to pounce first. Wringing Zeller and a protected Cleveland first-rounder is a nice touch; Zeller found his footing last season as a useful bench big, and picks are always handy when you’re trying to get Flip Saunders to answer his damn phone.
Perhaps Orlando didn’t want Thornton’s deal, which would have left it with only about $6 million in cap room going into the season. That would have limited its ability to work as a dumping ground in exchange for assets, but that’s exactly what Boston just did. Maybe the Magic think a better opportunity is coming down the road. Orlando and other teams also had to at least think about the roster consequenses of taking on three players.
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Chasing one of those restricted free agents would have tied up Orlando’s cap space as other targets signed, but if your targets are Frye and Gordon, there’s not much damage. You can see what the Magic are doing — Frye and Gordon are shooters, and the Magic need shooting. Frye is a killer pick-and-pop guy with a lightning-fast release. Defenders in the pick-and-roll are scared to help off him, which opens driving lanes for ball handlers. Goran Dragic raved about how clear the floor was when working with Frye, and Orlando’s collection of slashers, starting with Victor Oladipo, will feel that breathing space after working with a bunch of nonthreatening shooters.
Bledsoe would have been an interesting target for them, but he has some skill overlap with Oladipo, and the Magic probably have other point guard targets over the next summer or two. They also have to weigh an extension for Nikola Vucevic, which means playing the same poker game Utah played with Hayward a year ago.
Vucevic is a decent two-way player and a voracious rebounder, and 6-foot-10 guys who fit that description generally get eight figures. But Vucevic was a low enough draft pick that his cap hold would be only $6.75 million next summer if he remains a free agent, meaning the Magic could preserve at least $3 million or $4 million in cap room for July 2015 by declining to offer him an extension now. Is that worth the risk of having to overpay him in restricted free agency, as Utah is going to have to do with Hayward?
BadMofoPimp wrote:OrlandoNed wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:I still think Henny should have not traded Dwight without dumping Hedo's or some other albatross contract.
Oh my god shut up.
We got rid of Jason Richardson and Duhon in the trade. We bought out Hedo for half of what he was owed in his final year. Hedo was easier to get rid of than Richardson and Duhon so trading those 2 was the correct move.
We bought out Hedo for what Richardson still got paid!
OrlandoNed wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:OrlandoNed wrote:Oh my god shut up.
We got rid of Jason Richardson and Duhon in the trade. We bought out Hedo for half of what he was owed in his final year. Hedo was easier to get rid of than Richardson and Duhon so trading those 2 was the correct move.
We bought out Hedo for what Richardson still got paid!
It doesn't freaking matter what we spent to get rid of him! It was smarter to get rid of Hedo a year ago than still have Richardson taking up a roster spot now. The Sixers are still stuck with Richardson paying him 6 and a half million to take up a roster spot! If we'd be spending the same amount of money regardless, why not have the open roster spot too?
Nyce_1 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:OrlandoNed wrote:Oh my god shut up.
We got rid of Jason Richardson and Duhon in the trade. We bought out Hedo for half of what he was owed in his final year. Hedo was easier to get rid of than Richardson and Duhon so trading those 2 was the correct move.
We bought out Hedo for what Richardson still got paid!
JRich is STILL on the 6'ers payroll this season; Turk is not for us. Years mattered, apparently.
OrlandoNed wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:I still think Henny should have not traded Dwight without dumping Hedo's or some other albatross contract.
Oh my god shut up.
We got rid of Jason Richardson and Duhon in the trade. We bought out Hedo for half of what he was owed in his final year. Hedo was easier to get rid of than Richardson and Duhon so trading those 2 was the correct move.
Def Swami wrote:Zach Lowe writes on the Magic off-season.Vucevic is a decent two-way player and a voracious rebounder, and 6-foot-10 guys who fit that description generally get eight figures. But Vucevic was a low enough draft pick that his cap hold would be only $6.75 million next summer if he remains a free agent, meaning the Magic could preserve at least $3 million or $4 million in cap room for July 2015 by declining to offer him an extension now. Is that worth the risk of having to overpay him in restricted free agency, as Utah is going to have to do with Hayward?
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/gordo ... dle-class/
"The Heat will not have LeBron James next season if he goes back to the Cavs" - Magic Johnson
BadMofoPimp wrote:I really wish the Magic would have done that Cavs deal to get Zeller and a 1st instead of quickly jumping at Ben Freaking Gordon . . .
Simmons (3:32 p.m.): Translation: This Redick trade was for NBA nerds only, a.k.a. the people who watch four games at once on a Monday night and know who any of these guys are. And for the record, I am a HUGE Gustavo Ayon fan. I may or may not have been involved in an “I think Orlando has been misusing Gustavo Ayon” conversation within the last few weeks. So I don’t love this trade for Orlando because I like the two guys they gave up. Redick is a proven playoff guy. And a good teammate. The Bucks are better, I think.
j_n wrote:Another gem from expert Bill Simmons, this time on the JJ Redick-Tobias trade:Simmons (3:32 p.m.): Translation: This Redick trade was for NBA nerds only, a.k.a. the people who watch four games at once on a Monday night and know who any of these guys are. And for the record, I am a HUGE Gustavo Ayon fan. I may or may not have been involved in an “I think Orlando has been misusing Gustavo Ayon” conversation within the last few weeks. So I don’t love this trade for Orlando because I like the two guys they gave up. Redick is a proven playoff guy. And a good teammate. The Bucks are better, I think.
tiderulz wrote:Def Swami wrote:Zach Lowe writes on the Magic off-season.Vucevic is a decent two-way player and a voracious rebounder, and 6-foot-10 guys who fit that description generally get eight figures. But Vucevic was a low enough draft pick that his cap hold would be only $6.75 million next summer if he remains a free agent, meaning the Magic could preserve at least $3 million or $4 million in cap room for July 2015 by declining to offer him an extension now. Is that worth the risk of having to overpay him in restricted free agency, as Utah is going to have to do with Hayward?
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/gordo ... dle-class/
Can Zach not read that Nik is a true 7 footer?
j_n wrote:Another gem from expert Bill Simmons, this time on the JJ Redick-Tobias trade:Simmons (3:32 p.m.): Translation: This Redick trade was for NBA nerds only, a.k.a. the people who watch four games at once on a Monday night and know who any of these guys are. And for the record, I am a HUGE Gustavo Ayon fan. I may or may not have been involved in an “I think Orlando has been misusing Gustavo Ayon” conversation within the last few weeks. So I don’t love this trade for Orlando because I like the two guys they gave up. Redick is a proven playoff guy. And a good teammate. The Bucks are better, I think.
I actually like Simmons for the most part but his knowledge on the NBA is basically Boston and not much else, you cant expect him to have an educated opinion about players who arent playing/played for Boston or arent in the headlines.
Big A All Day wrote:"The Heat will not have LeBron James next season if he goes back to the Cavs" - Magic Johnson
Another piece of brilliance by Magic Johnson
Orlandipo wrote:Apparently the Cavs will be looking to move Wiggins to the Wolves for Love if they sign Lebron. If that deal doesn't work out could Wiggins be in play for us? We could offer them the house just like before the draft except this time instead of the 4th and 12th pick it will be Vuc + AG + B.Gordon for Wiggins and Verejao. A pipe dream I know..
Orlandipo wrote:Apparently the Cavs will be looking to move Wiggins to the Wolves for Love if they sign Lebron. If that deal doesn't work out could Wiggins be in play for us? We could offer them the house just like before the draft except this time instead of the 4th and 12th pick it will be Vuc + AG + B.Gordon for Wiggins and Verejao. A pipe dream I know..
