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The Kings are reportedly very close to closing a deal to make George Karl their new head coach.
According to Yahoo! Sports, the deal would be a four-year deal between $4 and $5 million per season.
However, around the same time, information came out that some Kings players aren’t happy about that....
BadMofoPimp wrote:Reached for a 2nd round talent in Nicholson.
doct3r dr3 wrote:Just observing this from a distance, it seems all roads lead to P.J. Carlesimo.
doct3r dr3 wrote:Some experience has shown that this front office likes to hire/sign people with whom they have familiarity from previous work stops (eg. Vaughn, Ben Gordon, Willie Green). So let's look at the coaches our front office has come into contact with.
Hennigan worked for the Spurs between 2004-08.
in that span:
HC: Gregg Popovich
Assistants:
P.J. Carlesimo
Mike Budenholzer
Brett Brown
Don Newman
Chip Engelland
Chad Forcier
---(Pre-2004 Popovich Assistants)---
Hank Egan
Paul Pressey
Mike Brown
Mario Elie
---(Post-2008 Popovich Assistants)---
Jacque Vaughn (Spurs player 2006-09)
Ime Udoka (Spurs player 2010-11)
Jim Boylen
Sean Marks (Spurs player 2003-06)
Ettore Messina
Becky Hammon (Stars player 2007-14)
---(Popovich Players-Turned Head Coaches *)---
Jacque Vaughn (Spurs player 2006-09)
Avery Johnson (Spurs player 1992-93, 1994-01)
Vinny Del Negro (Spurs player 1992-98)
Monty Williams (Spurs player 1996-98)
Scott Perry worked for the Supersonics/Thunder in 2007-08.
HC: P.J. Carlesimo
Assistants:
Scott Brooks
Mark Bryant
Ralph Lewis
Walt Rock
Brian Keefe
Paul Westhead
Hennigan later worked for the Supersonics/Thunder between 2008-12.
HC: P.J. Carlesimo, Scott Brooks
Assistants:
Scott Brooks
Mark Bryant
Ralph Lewis
Ron Adams
Maurice Cheeks
Rex Kalamian
Mark Bryant
Brian Keefe
Maz Trakh
Scott Perry worked for the Pistons between 2000-07, 2008-12
HC: Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, Flip Saunders, Michael Curry, John Kuester, Lawrence Frank
Assistants:
Kevin O'Neill
Tony Brown
Bob Ociepka
Herb Brown
Dave Hanners
Igor Kokoskov
John Kuester
Mike Woodson
Phil Ford
Garfield Heard
Pat Sullivan
Brendan O'Connor
Sid Lowe
Don Zierden
Ron Harper
Dave Cowens
Terry Porter
Michael Curry (2007-08)
Darrell Walker
Harold Ellis
Bill Pope
Brian Hill
John Loyer
Roy Rogers
Dee Brown
Charles Klask
Matt Lloyd worked with the Chicago Bulls' Basketball operations department (following a longer period as a scout, for which I don't have good data) between 2003-07:
HC: Bill Cartwright, Pete Myers, Scott Skiles
Assistants:
Ron Adams
John Bach
Bob Thornton
Mike Wilhelm
Jim Boylan
Pete Myers
Just observing this from a distance, it seems all roads lead to P.J. Carlesimo.
So to synthesize this with my study a few pages ago on experienced, winning coaching candidates... of the potential candidates that the Magic front office has some level of familiarity with:
Most Magic FO-familiarity: P.J. Carlesimo (Hennigan, Perry)
Best Win-Loss Record: Mike Brown (.616)
Most Playoff success: Larry Brown (NBA Championship)
OrlandO wrote:doct3r dr3 wrote:Just observing this from a distance, it seems all roads lead to P.J. Carlesimo.
doct3r dr3 wrote:Some experience has shown that this front office likes to hire/sign people with whom they have familiarity from previous work stops (eg. Vaughn, Ben Gordon, Willie Green). So let's look at the coaches our front office has come into contact with.
Hennigan worked for the Spurs between 2004-08.
in that span:
HC: Gregg Popovich
Assistants:
P.J. Carlesimo
Mike Budenholzer
Brett Brown
Don Newman
Chip Engelland
Chad Forcier
---(Pre-2004 Popovich Assistants)---
Hank Egan
Paul Pressey
Mike Brown
Mario Elie
---(Post-2008 Popovich Assistants)---
Jacque Vaughn (Spurs player 2006-09)
Ime Udoka (Spurs player 2010-11)
Jim Boylen
Sean Marks (Spurs player 2003-06)
Ettore Messina
Becky Hammon (Stars player 2007-14)
---(Popovich Players-Turned Head Coaches *)---
Jacque Vaughn (Spurs player 2006-09)
Avery Johnson (Spurs player 1992-93, 1994-01)
Vinny Del Negro (Spurs player 1992-98)
Monty Williams (Spurs player 1996-98)
Scott Perry worked for the Supersonics/Thunder in 2007-08.
HC: P.J. Carlesimo
Assistants:
Scott Brooks
Mark Bryant
Ralph Lewis
Walt Rock
Brian Keefe
Paul Westhead
Hennigan later worked for the Supersonics/Thunder between 2008-12.
HC: P.J. Carlesimo, Scott Brooks
Assistants:
Scott Brooks
Mark Bryant
Ralph Lewis
Ron Adams
Maurice Cheeks
Rex Kalamian
Mark Bryant
Brian Keefe
Maz Trakh
Scott Perry worked for the Pistons between 2000-07, 2008-12
HC: Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, Flip Saunders, Michael Curry, John Kuester, Lawrence Frank
Assistants:
Kevin O'Neill
Tony Brown
Bob Ociepka
Herb Brown
Dave Hanners
Igor Kokoskov
John Kuester
Mike Woodson
Phil Ford
Garfield Heard
Pat Sullivan
Brendan O'Connor
Sid Lowe
Don Zierden
Ron Harper
Dave Cowens
Terry Porter
Michael Curry (2007-08)
Darrell Walker
Harold Ellis
Bill Pope
Brian Hill
John Loyer
Roy Rogers
Dee Brown
Charles Klask
Matt Lloyd worked with the Chicago Bulls' Basketball operations department (following a longer period as a scout, for which I don't have good data) between 2003-07:
HC: Bill Cartwright, Pete Myers, Scott Skiles
Assistants:
Ron Adams
John Bach
Bob Thornton
Mike Wilhelm
Jim Boylan
Pete Myers
Just observing this from a distance, it seems all roads lead to P.J. Carlesimo.
So to synthesize this with my study a few pages ago on experienced, winning coaching candidates... of the potential candidates that the Magic front office has some level of familiarity with:
Most Magic FO-familiarity: P.J. Carlesimo (Hennigan, Perry)
Best Win-Loss Record: Mike Brown (.616)
Most Playoff success: Larry Brown (NBA Championship)
eyriq wrote:I'm honestly rooting for Borrego. Skiles and PJ as an assistants hired over the break.
fendilim wrote:npiper17 wrote:rcklsscognition wrote:Stan is such a hypocrite he sickens me with this vendetta he has against us. He got his job because the Pistons fired Cheeks after 50 games for the exact reasons Vaughn got canned:
"Our record does not reflect our talent and we simply need a change," Pistons owner Tom Gores said in the team's release. "We have not made the kind of progress that we should have over the first half of the season. This is a young team and we knew there would be growing pains, but we can be patient only as long as there is progress.
"The responsibility does not fall squarely on any one individual, but right now this change is a necessary step toward turning this thing around. I still have a lot of hope for this season and I expect our players to step up. I respect and appreciate Maurice Cheeks and thank him for his efforts; we just require a different approach."
This.
As much as I respect Stan for what he did during his tenure here, him and his brother are so full of hypocritical **** it's unreal.
He talks about following the Magic; how about following the team he now coaches? The Pistons have been through coaches like underwear over recent years. And I didn't see him crying for Joe Dumars when he lost his job as Pistons GM. Neither did he cry for Brian Hill when he replaced him as Magic coach. This constant sniping is one of the reasons David Stern had an issue with Stan. He needs to get a grip on reality. A reality where coaches are fired in the NBA. His team do it, the Magic have done it, every team has done it. Even the mighty Gregg Popovich fired a guy and took his job.
Well, I like Stan, and tbh, its just one of his traits to be honest. He doesn't exactly say whats politically correct, but often time he has a point.
btw, hows it going in Edinburgh? I was there last Christmas. Loved that city.
Carlesimo learned the hard way that stridency and talking like Vince Lombardi doesn’t translate well to professional athletes. He was choked and attacked by his star player, Latrell Sprewell, in Golden State. He was fired in Portland after furthering his reputation as abrasive and often profane.
“I think there’s a lot of truth in that (Carlesimo’s style is more suited for the college game),” said Donyell Marshall, who played under Carlesimo on three different NBA teams. “But P.J. and I are too good of friends for me to throw him under the bus."
“I think the biggest thing P.J. probably has to realize is these are men, and not college athletes. That’s one of the most difficult things is when you've been a screamer and yeller in college, and now all of a sudden you go into the pros and you can’t necessarily be a screamer and yeller. I always look back and there are a few coaches that can get away with certain things. Obviously that’s the Phil Jacksons, the Larry Browns, the guys like that who have the respect of all the players, no matter who you are. The Jerry Sloans, guys like that.”
Marshall played under Carlesimo with Team USA, the Warriors and the Thunder, giving him a unique perspective into the coach’s personality and progression. He watched the disaster unfold with Sprewell in Golden State, and he saw a different Carlesimo coaching a young Kevin Durant in Seattle.
“It was a very difficult situation for him in Golden State, coming into a situation where he really didn’t get the backing right from the start from the star player, from the time he was hired until the (attack),” Marshall said. “Being with him again in Seattle, I think he learned how to deal with situations and is much calmer. He doesn't take the, ‘I’m the coach and you’re the player' approach. I think he learned from that. He learned that he has to sit down and talk, and try to get rid of the problem and try to get a solution rather than saying, ‘I’m the coach and that’s the way it’s going to go.’
“During timeouts he’d talk to players. It wasn’t necessarily the screaming and yelling, it wasn’t necessarily the P.J. way, it was what’s best for the team way.”
Nyce_1 wrote:If Nets fire Hollins, would anyone mind going after him? Think he turned Memphis into contenders and don't know the reason he was fired.
@ESPNSteinLine
Hearing more and more in coaching circles that Orlando plans to let interim coach James Borrego finish out season on Magic bench
@ESPNSteinLine
Deliberate search for next coach said to be Magic's preference; Borrego is well-regarded assistant from Spurs' tree to handle final 26 games
Nyce_1 wrote:@ESPNSteinLine
Hearing more and more in coaching circles that Orlando plans to let interim coach James Borrego finish out season on Magic bench@ESPNSteinLine
Deliberate search for next coach said to be Magic's preference; Borrego is well-regarded assistant from Spurs' tree to handle final 26 games
not surprised.
eyriq wrote:I'm honestly rooting for Borrego. Skiles and PJ as an assistants hired over the break.
npiper17 wrote:I think going 2-2 (almost 3-1) means the Magic feel Borrego has earned the chance to see out the year.
.npiper17 wrote:Nyce_1 wrote:@ESPNSteinLine
Hearing more and more in coaching circles that Orlando plans to let interim coach James Borrego finish out season on Magic bench@ESPNSteinLine
Deliberate search for next coach said to be Magic's preference; Borrego is well-regarded assistant from Spurs' tree to handle final 26 games
not surprised.
Now that Karl is off the table, I don't see the point in hiring someone who might give us less chance at a good draft pick. I don't think there will be a huge number of coaching jobs this summer anyway.
I think going 2-2 (almost 3-1) means the Magic feel Borrego has earned the chance to see out the year.
