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Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#521 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue May 18, 2021 5:59 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:I know we can’t get caught up on fit on a team as bad as ours but.. I don’t like the thought of drafting a big man that high. Especially when we have 2 big men on rookie deals, one of whom I project to be a serviceable starter. Not only just fit either, I just don’t see the value.

I don’t see him as an AD, Dwight Howard, Embiid level prospect.

I think he might be more on the JJr/Ayton tier. Even then - JJr seems to have better range


I get the feeling that posters are trying to convince themselves that they are okay with Mobley to soften the blow of us potentially falling out of the top 3


I think he got much better 2 way potential. JJr was projected to be a really good defender but so far this doesnt translated at all. He is worlds away from Isaac or Bam. Ayton improved on defense but he doesnt have the mobility like Mobley, Bam or Isaac.

I think his potential is in between of AD/Embiid & Ayton/JJr. I would say Bam catagory. Its not enough for me to take him over the 3 guards but enough to take him over anyone else.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#522 » by BCS » Tue May 18, 2021 6:12 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Mobley & Jalen Johnson would, imo, be solid summer for Orlando.

Am i thrilled about idea of drafting yet another center, despite having 2 clear failures of former lottery picks at C Wendell &Bamba? No. But if Mobley has 60% of Anthony Davis talent, he is probably more talented than any other 2021 prospect.

I like Jalen Johnson more than most people here, simply type of player that, if he works out, would be starting SF for next 10 years.

Just not sold on JJ for some reason. bad FT shooter, we dont really know if he is a good 3 pt shooter, he only took 18 3pt shots all year, and then quitting on his team.
I don't know why , I get Scottie Pippen type player vibes with him.

If JJ shows better/consistency on his shooting then I am all good with him with the Chicago pick. I actually would choose him with that pick.. But I think he makes more sense with a Green or a Cade than Mobley.

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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#523 » by The Effect » Tue May 18, 2021 7:12 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:I know we can’t get caught up on fit on a team as bad as ours but.. I don’t like the thought of drafting a big man that high. Especially when we have 2 big men on rookie deals, one of whom I project to be a serviceable starter. Not only just fit either, I just don’t see the value.

I don’t see him as an AD, Dwight Howard, Embiid level prospect.

I think he might be more on the JJr/Ayton tier. Even then - JJr seems to have better range


I get the feeling that posters are trying to convince themselves that they are okay with Mobley to soften the blow of us potentially falling out of the top 3

i think us ending up in the 3-5 zone is HOW we wouldnt get mobley. I think he goes #2 overall as teams seem unable to resist drafting athletic 7fters
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#524 » by jonbob17 » Tue May 18, 2021 7:20 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:I know we can’t get caught up on fit on a team as bad as ours but.. I don’t like the thought of drafting a big man that high. Especially when we have 2 big men on rookie deals, one of whom I project to be a serviceable starter. Not only just fit either, I just don’t see the value.

I don’t see him as an AD, Dwight Howard, Embiid level prospect.

I think he might be more on the JJr/Ayton tier. Even then - JJr seems to have better range


I get the feeling that posters are trying to convince themselves that they are okay with Mobley to soften the blow of us potentially falling out of the top 3


I think he got much better 2 way potential. JJr was projected to be a really good defender but so far this doesnt translated at all. He is worlds away from Isaac or Bam. Ayton improved on defense but he doesnt have the mobility like Mobley, Bam or Isaac.

I think his potential is in between of AD/Embiid & Ayton/JJr. I would say Bam catagory. Its not enough for me to take him over the 3 guards but enough to take him over anyone else.


I think Mobley has really high skill at the position, like a worse version of AD, which is really valuable. At the same time, I think his floor is very low. I'd probably take him ahead of Kuminga, whose floor is probably even lower (and more likely). Tomorrow you could probably sell me on why Mobley is going to make it.

The top 5(top 10) doesn't feel as strong as it did at the beginning of the season. This feels like a stock-picker draft after the top 3-4. There are going to be winners, but you are going to have to do well to find them
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#525 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue May 18, 2021 7:32 pm

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GelbeWand09 wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:I know we can’t get caught up on fit on a team as bad as ours but.. I don’t like the thought of drafting a big man that high. Especially when we have 2 big men on rookie deals, one of whom I project to be a serviceable starter. Not only just fit either, I just don’t see the value.

I don’t see him as an AD, Dwight Howard, Embiid level prospect.

I think he might be more on the JJr/Ayton tier. Even then - JJr seems to have better range


I get the feeling that posters are trying to convince themselves that they are okay with Mobley to soften the blow of us potentially falling out of the top 3


I think he got much better 2 way potential. JJr was projected to be a really good defender but so far this doesnt translated at all. He is worlds away from Isaac or Bam. Ayton improved on defense but he doesnt have the mobility like Mobley, Bam or Isaac.

I think his potential is in between of AD/Embiid & Ayton/JJr. I would say Bam catagory. Its not enough for me to take him over the 3 guards but enough to take him over anyone else.


I think Mobley has really high skill at the position, like a worse version of AD, which is really valuable. At the same time, I think his floor is very low. I'd probably take him ahead of Kuminga, whose floor is probably even lower (and more likely). Tomorrow you could probably sell me on why Mobley is going to make it.

The top 5(top 10) doesn't feel as strong as it did at the beginning of the season. This feels like a stock-picker draft after the top 3-4. There are going to be winners, but you are going to have to do well to find them


Yea after the top 4 all interesting players cant shoot & the players who can shoot scream roleplayers :lol:
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Post#526 » by VFX » Tue May 18, 2021 7:38 pm

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jonbob17 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
I think he got much better 2 way potential. JJr was projected to be a really good defender but so far this doesnt translated at all. He is worlds away from Isaac or Bam. Ayton improved on defense but he doesnt have the mobility like Mobley, Bam or Isaac.

I think his potential is in between of AD/Embiid & Ayton/JJr. I would say Bam catagory. Its not enough for me to take him over the 3 guards but enough to take him over anyone else.


I think Mobley has really high skill at the position, like a worse version of AD, which is really valuable. At the same time, I think his floor is very low. I'd probably take him ahead of Kuminga, whose floor is probably even lower (and more likely). Tomorrow you could probably sell me on why Mobley is going to make it.

The top 5(top 10) doesn't feel as strong as it did at the beginning of the season. This feels like a stock-picker draft after the top 3-4. There are going to be winners, but you are going to have to do well to find them


Yea after the top 4 all interesting players cant shoot & the players who can shoot scream roleplayers :lol:


There’s probably 2-3 guys (in the top 20) after 1-5 that will end up far exceeding expectations. It’s usually the case.
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Post#527 » by Knightro » Tue May 18, 2021 8:09 pm

MagicMatic wrote:There’s probably 2-3 guys (in the top 20) after 1-5 that will end up far exceeding expectations. It’s usually the case.


The numbers absolutely back this up.

You look back since 2010 and there have been 14 all-stars drafted between pick 7 and pick 16 and likely going to be a 2-3 more recent picks who are going to become all-stars on top of that.

17 all-stars in 11 drafts all picked in the middle to back half of the lottery. About a 15% chance of finding one.

Undervalued guys are out there every year, it's just a matter of figuring out who they are, acquiring them, and then putting them in the best possible position to maximum whatever ceiling they may have.
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Post#528 » by KillMonger » Tue May 18, 2021 8:12 pm

All 5 of the top guys have star potential to me, the guy that I’m surprisingly starting to sour on is Suggs


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Post#529 » by RookieStar » Tue May 18, 2021 9:15 pm

KillMonger wrote:All 5 of the top guys have star potential to me, the guy that I’m surprisingly starting to sour on is Suggs


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Why? What did he do?Do you have any latest vids/insiders/whatnot to change our views on these picks? I mean so far its area51 in practically all players and what is happening to them right now.
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Post#530 » by KillMonger » Tue May 18, 2021 9:24 pm

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KillMonger wrote:All 5 of the top guys have star potential to me, the guy that I’m surprisingly starting to sour on is Suggs


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Why? What did he do?Do you have any latest vids/insiders/whatnot to change our views on these picks? I mean so far its area51 in practically all players and what is happening to them right now.

Nope….nothing from official channels…..It’s just that I’m starting to notice that Suggs doesn’t really have that much shake to his game. So if creation is an issue can he be a lead guard and play at a high level as a lead guard. If that answer is no then how is he off the ball? 30% catch and shoot? Plus I couldn’t really call him a shooter in general…however he’s good enough to get a pass from me since he’s not a finished product and there is a ton of intangible stuff going on with Suggs. Well worthy of a top 5 selection but he isn’t as squeaky clean as I thought initially but that’s on me for not doing enough scouting.


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Post#531 » by Bensational » Tue May 18, 2021 9:27 pm

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Bensational wrote:Wow, Dosunmu and Springer predicted to slide far in that mock. Giddey going late lottery will be another steal, too.


If these mocks are anywhere near accurate, I think there will be real value available later.

I doubt I'd take Dosunmu with the Chicago pick, but he is definitely interesting. He's kind of out of place in this modern era, but he can get to the basket and he can finish when he gets there. That's something to build off of. The issue I have is that he is going to have to have the ball in his hands a lot to do his work and he loves mid-range, pull-up jump shots. He looks sort of like DeRozan to me, though probably not as athletic. He needs to get his turnovers down as well.

...

Garuba seems too low. He averaged 30 mins a game in Real Madrid's series against Efes as a 19-year-old. His box score stats don't really impress, but didn't Denver just give us a package to get someone to do what Garuba could do on a really cheap salary?

...

I think there are a bunch of intriguing landmines in this draft, so some nice players are going to drop. I thought that last year as well though and a bunch of those landmines fell and the guys I wanted were gone by the time our pick rolled around... so who knows?


I think Ayo’s game will continue to grow, and his range will continue to extend. Hopefully. Maybe he falls in love with the midrange like DeRozan and Fultz, but Ayo seems to have more potential and capability already from deep so hopefully he’s pushed to keep adding to that. Some of his passes are just mind blowing to me. He can make passes that look like deflections/volleys because he’s read the defense before the ball has reached him and flicks it on immediately.

I hadn’t watched any of Garuba yet. Just checked highlights and he seems very interesting. Pretty great package to build off of from that age, like a more skilled Aminu. His game seems to move slowly compared to others on the court around him (I thought he was a C at first), but he wasn’t falling out of step or place, which is interesting. He had than Ben Wallace instinct for blocking shots though, that’s for sure.

Any other sleepers you’ve come across so far?
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#532 » by OrlChamps2030 » Tue May 18, 2021 9:33 pm

KillMonger wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
KillMonger wrote:All 5 of the top guys have star potential to me, the guy that I’m surprisingly starting to sour on is Suggs


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Why? What did he do?Do you have any latest vids/insiders/whatnot to change our views on these picks? I mean so far its area51 in practically all players and what is happening to them right now.

Nope….nothing from official channels…..It’s just that I’m starting to notice that Suggs doesn’t really have that much shake to his game. So if creation is an issue can he be a lead guard and play at a high level as a lead guard. If that answer is no then how is he off the ball? 30% catch and shoot? Plus I couldn’t really call him a shooter in general…however he’s good enough to get a pass from me since he’s not a finished product and there is a ton of intangible stuff going on with Suggs. Well worthy of a top 5 selection but he isn’t as squeaky clean as I thought initially but that’s on me for not doing enough scouting.


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I loved Suggs a lot of the season, but now I rank Green ahead for some of the reasons you provided.

Suggs doesn’t have a ton of shake to his game.. shooting not a sure thing.. but you have to love the intangibles and vision. It doesn’t seem likely he’s a 22+ PPG kinda guy.

It’s hard to tell if he will be a true PG or not

I still really like him though and would be happy with him at 3. I just think he’s more of a Jrue Holiday type rather than a superstar
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#533 » by OrlChamps2030 » Tue May 18, 2021 9:45 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:I know we can’t get caught up on fit on a team as bad as ours but.. I don’t like the thought of drafting a big man that high. Especially when we have 2 big men on rookie deals, one of whom I project to be a serviceable starter. Not only just fit either, I just don’t see the value.

I don’t see him as an AD, Dwight Howard, Embiid level prospect.

I think he might be more on the JJr/Ayton tier. Even then - JJr seems to have better range


I get the feeling that posters are trying to convince themselves that they are okay with Mobley to soften the blow of us potentially falling out of the top 3


I think he got much better 2 way potential. JJr was projected to be a really good defender but so far this doesnt translated at all. He is worlds away from Isaac or Bam. Ayton improved on defense but he doesnt have the mobility like Mobley, Bam or Isaac.

I think his potential is in between of AD/Embiid & Ayton/JJr. I would say Bam catagory. Its not enough for me to take him over the 3 guards but enough to take him over anyone else.


JJr looked pretty similar to Mobley defensively IMO. Both won conference defensive player of the year.. both were prolific shot blockers (JJr even more so), both struggled rebounding and both needed to bulk up..

Except JJr did the above against better competition while being the youngest player in his draft class in a year where college sports weren’t a joke

I would concede that he can turn out Bam level though, and that Mobley appears be a more natural scorer than JJr, and a better defender than Ayton.

I still hope we end up top 3 though..
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Post#534 » by RookieStar » Tue May 18, 2021 10:03 pm

KillMonger wrote:
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KillMonger wrote:All 5 of the top guys have star potential to me, the guy that I’m surprisingly starting to sour on is Suggs


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Why? What did he do?Do you have any latest vids/insiders/whatnot to change our views on these picks? I mean so far its area51 in practically all players and what is happening to them right now.

Nope….nothing from official channels…..It’s just that I’m starting to notice that Suggs doesn’t really have that much shake to his game. So if creation is an issue can he be a lead guard and play at a high level as a lead guard. If that answer is no then how is he off the ball? 30% catch and shoot? Plus I couldn’t really call him a shooter in general…however he’s good enough to get a pass from me since he’s not a finished product and there is a ton of intangible stuff going on with Suggs. Well worthy of a top 5 selection but he isn’t as squeaky clean as I thought initially but that’s on me for not doing enough scouting.


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Shake as in being able to beat your man one-on-one you mean? Well, to be honest I haven't really seen that ability as much as I want with him as well BUT only because GON was such a stacked team that I don't think he wanted to play that kind of hero-ball instead he wanted passes and movement. But we will see during interviews/workout when more experienced people than us can measure his lateral agility and etc,

I would have thought him being also a superior athletic football player means he could easily outrun and shake his man off lol
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Post#535 » by Gomagic44 » Wed May 19, 2021 1:21 am

I want Wagner or Moody with Chicago pick. I want a scorer with ours. Not a center.

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Post#536 » by yoyojw17 » Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 am

Gomagic44 wrote:I want Wagner or Moody with Chicago pick. I want a scorer with ours. Not a center.

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can centers not be scorers? :-/ lol... jk
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Post#537 » by Gomagic44 » Wed May 19, 2021 2:53 am

I don't want on that ride again.
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Post#539 » by ogmagicfan » Wed May 19, 2021 4:26 am

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Post#540 » by RookieStar » Wed May 19, 2021 4:49 am

hmmm my question is simply this... is he or will he be better than JI? Because he is a PF the same way AG is. No way can I see him as a wing fulltime.

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