2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[eyriq]

Man, scrolling through previous drafts is the most sobering exercise, so many duds. Some huge, franchise changing hits too, but relatively low probability. This is why I think we go BPA and fit be damned.

[JoshuaPotter]

Man, scrolling through previous drafts is the most sobering exercise, so many duds. Some huge, franchise changing hits too, but relatively low probability. This is why I think we go BPA and fit be damned.

I totally understand the outlook. It's why if we get someone like Walker they better think he is going to better then Paulo / Franz.

Man that just feels so unlikely. We are so Forward rich its sick.

[eyriq]

Man, scrolling through previous drafts is the most sobering exercise, so many duds. Some huge, franchise changing hits too, but relatively low probability. This is why I think we go BPA and fit be damned.

I totally understand the outlook. It's why if we get someone like Walker they better think he is going to better then Paulo / Franz.

Man that just feels so unlikely. We are so Forward rich its sick.

I don't even think Walker and Hendricks are all that great prospect wise.

[JoshuaPotter]

Man, scrolling through previous drafts is the most sobering exercise, so many duds. Some huge, franchise changing hits too, but relatively low probability. This is why I think we go BPA and fit be damned.

I totally understand the outlook. It's why if we get someone like Walker they better think he is going to better then Paulo / Franz.

Man that just feels so unlikely. We are so Forward rich its sick.

I don't even think Walker and Hendricks are all that great prospect wise.

No we must not get scared that this years draft isn't that deep.....

[VFX]

Few things:

Ben Wallace in modern era is just Biyombo 2.
Most of things that worked in favor of Big Ben in today's era don't exist such are:
- ultra slow pace
- no spacing
- no high pick&roll efficient action to force him to leave paint
- inefficient chuckers who were in love with mid range fadeaway 2s and made defense look better than it is
- officiating that by today's standards would mean majority of Pistons team would foul out by half time



Jarace Walker, standing below 6'7 isn't just undersized big, he is below average nba player in terms of size. Yes, guy has great insticts, but also has body that is mature and that allows him to be imposing physically vs colleg players. But he won't be playing bullyball on anybody in nba with that size.

It's not like he is some ultra polished , crafty, mini- Duncan type of finess scorer either. I saw somwhere that he shot 40% on non-dunk shots from point blank range.

Basically you are drafting for mini Robert Williams and hoping he can eventually become bit more of Horford/PJ Tucker in terms of shooting. I , personally, don't belive he will be good 3 point shooter in nba any time soon. His percentages don't look bad, but it's 100 attemps sample size. His FTs also don't paint picture of some great shooter either ( 80 attemps 66%).

Given all the mentioned, i don't think Jarace Walker is top 10-worthy lottery pick in any nba draft.

All defense but very limited size, no defined offensive skill, lot of question marks about how and where to use him, typical NBA tweener stuck between size for SF, weight of PF and skillset for limited C normally don't translate well into nba.
Even when you read his player comparisons, most common name that pops is Paul Millsap... Guy was 47th pick for same reasons. And this guy is projected top 10? Why? Well, i assume i know why, but that reason is something most people don't want to hear it: this draft is very much role-players-galore between 4th -20th pick. So having two lottery picks isn't as rewarding as it would be in some previous years.

You asked me who would i draft 6th. i already answered that question in past. i wouldn't. I don't see any objective adventage of drafting that high for pool of talent that is expected to have. I would trade down to 10-16 range or trade out 6# pick for future picks. Not a single person aveliable at that range is sure shot nba starter let alone star. And we really don't need new Bamba, Hezonja, Payton.

I tend to agree about the lack of sure things...having said that, I'm fine with "wasting a high pick" on a contributor if a trade to move back and get the same guy isn't available. I don't agree with swinging for Bilal, etc based strictly on projections...you could extend that argument to the Thompsons, Black, Whitmore, Walker pretty easily...I'd be okay with taking a somewhat limited but solid guy like Dick or even Hawkins...but if I could trade for another similar guy AND get my guy at a later spot- I'm in. Let someone else absorb all of the risk looking for their Paolo or Franz...I'm more interested in solid investments this summer, in the draft, trades and FA market...If we take a wild swing...it better have HUGE upside (Scoot, Poole, etc), IMO.

My whole issue with drafting for role player is simply invested value vs objective return value being pretty crappy ratio.
Countless role players are undrafted or selected in second round, there is zero reasons to fish for role player with 6th overall selection.
Especially if that player, no matter who he is, if he is not starting caliber SG off gates, has no clear path toward more than 12-15 mpg in rotation on current roster. Let alone upgraded roster post FA.

I don’t think there are many guys that will be drafted from #6 on that will instantly be starting. Nobody is starting over Suggs/Franz/Paolo.

Maybe Indiana, Washington, and Utah they’ll be starting, possibly Dallas, but they’ll move the pick. More moves would have to be made for Orlando.

I think this draft for the Magic ultimately comes down to skill set and upside. I don’t think they can make two selections without addressing shooting whatsoever.

Whoever selected that might not be starting this season doesn’t mean they couldn’t later in the season or next season.

[jonbob17]

Beal and their new Front office are working together to find a trade.

Zion might be available.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rumors-rival-execs-keeping-eye-on-zion-williamson-bradley-beal-trade-return-could-underwhelm/

Zion for pick 3 and Simons who says no?

[jezzerinho]

Zion is not getting traded. What contender needs a PF and is willing to hugely overpay, given the risk of him eating himself out of the league?

NO will find out the offers aren't tasty enough to let a guy of his talent go.

Indiana is the only team I can think of who might take a swing.

Portland doesn't have the capital.

[VFX]

Zion is not getting traded. What contender needs a PF and is willing to hugely overpay, given the risk of him eating himself out of the league?

NO will find out the offers aren't tasty enough to let a guy of his talent go.

Indiana is the only team I can think of who might take a swing.

Portland doesn't have the capital.

I could see Charlotte doing it for #2 and a lot of filler.

[Viper1500]

I’d gladly trade for Beal, he will be turning 30, but provides much needed veteran leadership and SHOOTING. I don’t think it would take much, something around Isaac, Harris, Cole and Denver pick

Draft Hendricks and Dick
Sign Naz Reid

Fultz/Suggs
Beal/Dick
Franz/Chuma
Paolo/Hendricks
WCJ/Naz/Wagner


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[tiderulz]

Beal and their new Front office are working together to find a trade.

Zion might be available.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rumors-rival-execs-keeping-eye-on-zion-williamson-bradley-beal-trade-return-could-underwhelm/

Zion for pick 3 and Simons who says no?

A smart Portland front office. they had to put weight limits in his contract. dude is never going to slim down or be healthy

[Magic_Kingdom]

Apparently Golden State is shopping Kuminga for a draft pick.

[pepe1991]

Zion is apsolute monster. Whenever he chooses to get himself into basketball shape.

I was like broken record during that draft crying how it's simply not possible to sustain that body and not break legs. Ofc, most people ignored biggest elephant in a draft room's history and were harping he is new face of NBA.

Being 6'6 you shouldn't weight over 250 pounds, let alone 280. ESPECIALLY if you are 19.

He even got hurt during college season. Than his shoe blew up under pressure of his body. How many red flags were there and Pelicans front office went like " nah, looks good to me, let's rewatch his highschool dunk tape" ?

Blake Griffin is living example of person who runned himself to a ground with his playstyle.

[axl_c_cool]

Anyone open to #11 for Kuminga?

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[axl_c_cool]

Not sure it would be that cheap, if it is though you have to do it

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[axl_c_cool]

I’d gladly trade for Beal, he will be turning 30, but provides much needed veteran leadership and SHOOTING. I don’t think it would take much, something around Isaac, Harris, Cole and Denver pick

Draft Hendricks and Dick
Sign Naz Reid

Fultz/Suggs
Beal/Dick
Franz/Chuma
Paolo/Hendricks
WCJ/Naz/Wagner


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Not sure it would be this cheap I mean

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[tiderulz]

Zion is apsolute monster. Whenever he chooses to get himself into basketball shape.

I was like broken record during that draft crying how it's simply not possible to sustain that body and not break legs. Ofc, most people ignored biggest elephant in a draft room's history and were harping he is new face of NBA.

Being 6'6 you shouldn't weight over 250 pounds, let alone 280. ESPECIALLY if you are 19.

He even got hurt during college season. Than his shoe blew up under pressure of his body. How many red flags were there and Pelicans front office went like " nah, looks good to me, let's rewatch his highschool dunk tape" ?

Blake Griffin is living example of person who runned himself to a ground with his playstyle.

280? i thought i read his limit in his contract is 295

[Viper1500]

I’d gladly trade for Beal, he will be turning 30, but provides much needed veteran leadership and SHOOTING. I don’t think it would take much, something around Isaac, Harris, Cole and Denver pick

Draft Hendricks and Dick
Sign Naz Reid

Fultz/Suggs
Beal/Dick
Franz/Chuma
Paolo/Hendricks
WCJ/Naz/Wagner


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Not sure it would be this cheap I mean

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I think it’ll take two mid-late first plus cap relief, I think that’s Cole+Denver pick. I could be wrong though


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[Black and Blue]

Man, scrolling through previous drafts is the most sobering exercise, so many duds. Some huge, franchise changing hits too, but relatively low probability. This is why I think we go BPA and fit be damned.

For pick 6, I do agree it's imperative you go with the potential for stardom. That is too high to find your backup center, or role player shooting guard who is your 4th or 5th best player and has a ceiling built in.

For pick 11, I think there is a third path besides BPA or solid role player: addressing positional need with potential for massive growth. For instance, I'm game to go with a player with more warts or question marks if they have the potential to be my (insert most needed role here) of the future. This year players that could fit that mold for the Magic include Keyonte George, Kobe Bufkin, Jalen Hood Schifino, Nick Smith, and Bilal Coulibaly, where you can easily pick apart their weaknesses but there is potential for them to improve and become something special.

[RookieStar]

Yes. Right now, he has the same speed and vertical that AG did when he was drafted. I was just listening to Vecenie talk, and they agreed with my opinions that he could guard the 3-5.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5bnB6ZhL5aK0XplFPO3x18?si=wKofNiwGS8q-jDREgaItag

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Yeah.. and AG is a tweener that still could not guard the real C in the league despite being almost 3inches taller and.more.nba conditioned now.

Are you saying that 250lb Walker has the same lateral mobility speed as a 220lb rookie AG???

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?
Jarace Walker lane agility 10.89

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?sort=LANE_AGILITY_TIME&dir=-1&SeasonYear=2014-15
Aaron Gordon lane agility 10.81

Part of Aaron Gordon’s scouting report was having high, tight hips limiting his gait. Which we saw A LOT of when he couldn’t blow by people he should’ve been able to blow by. I don’t think Walker can do the stuff he does defensively without having pretty solid agility.

Wow... can you imagine a top-heavy 250lb guy running around chasing the opponents from outside to inside? That will blow his knees by next season.

[RookieStar]

Anyone open to #11 for Kuminga?

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Hmmmm..... Im cool. That means we use our #6 for shooting then. Kuminga still has upside and can immediately replace Chuma and Bol in the lineups and insurance for WCJ with his yearly medical vacation.