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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#521 » by fendilim » Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:36 pm

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Can't shoot, doesn't get to the free throw line, can't play off ball, and is going to cost 20+M for multiple years. There's a lot more outside of he can't shoot.


I wish he got to the line more... some are cuz he doesn't get the ref calls and a lot has to do with him creating separation with his size, IQ, athleticism, etc. But if you believe that you have seen everything that Fultz is and can be on a returning season from an injury and lack of reps with a new team... an on-court plan to feed the 2 core players.... then so be it.

He doesn't get to the line because he shies from contact and you'll notice he takes a lot of off balanced almost wild looking shots instead of playing through contact. Crazy thing is sometimes they go in. He has to add muscle and develop a more physical game. The good thing is that mentally he plays a tough game. You can see that he is not afraid of being a cocky prick after he makes a shot or dunk. So I do like that.

Well, tbh, Markelle’s game is effective this way.

If he draws contacts, that might make him ineffective.
If he initiates contact or get fouled while trying to finish around the rim, chances are, he’ll most of the time end up throwing the ball to the rim, which will lead to a stationary shot… Markelle excels in shooting with momentum. Try watching him shoot free throws or spot up 3s, those shots dont look normal. and those shots are really the ones that miss.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#522 » by VFX » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:00 pm

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I wish he got to the line more... some are cuz he doesn't get the ref calls and a lot has to do with him creating separation with his size, IQ, athleticism, etc. But if you believe that you have seen everything that Fultz is and can be on a returning season from an injury and lack of reps with a new team... an on-court plan to feed the 2 core players.... then so be it.

He doesn't get to the line because he shies from contact and you'll notice he takes a lot of off balanced almost wild looking shots instead of playing through contact. Crazy thing is sometimes they go in. He has to add muscle and develop a more physical game. The good thing is that mentally he plays a tough game. You can see that he is not afraid of being a cocky prick after he makes a shot or dunk. So I do like that.

Well, tbh, Markelle’s game is effective this way.

If he draws contacts, that might make him ineffective.
If he initiates contact or get fouled while trying to finish around the rim, chances are, he’ll most of the time end up throwing the ball to the rim, which will lead to a stationary shot… Markelle excels in shooting with momentum. Try watching him shoot free throws or spot up 3s, those shots dont look normal. and those shots are really the ones that miss.


Markelle excels at doing everything possible to avoid variance on offense.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#523 » by fendilim » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:06 pm

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Skin wrote:He doesn't get to the line because he shies from contact and you'll notice he takes a lot of off balanced almost wild looking shots instead of playing through contact. Crazy thing is sometimes they go in. He has to add muscle and develop a more physical game. The good thing is that mentally he plays a tough game. You can see that he is not afraid of being a cocky prick after he makes a shot or dunk. So I do like that.

Well, tbh, Markelle’s game is effective this way.

If he draws contacts, that might make him ineffective.
If he initiates contact or get fouled while trying to finish around the rim, chances are, he’ll most of the time end up throwing the ball to the rim, which will lead to a stationary shot… Markelle excels in shooting with momentum. Try watching him shoot free throws or spot up 3s, those shots dont look normal. and those shots are really the ones that miss.


Markelle excels at doing everything possible to avoid variance on offense.
tbh, i can’t dent the fact that markelle has been impressive in re-creating his game to his strengths, but this leaves a lot more to be desired. Such as even trying to shoot 3s. Lol
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#524 » by eyriq » Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:20 pm

His personality really reminds me of Paolo for some reason.

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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#525 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:33 pm

eyriq wrote:His personality really reminds me of Paolo for some reason.

I was thinking he was like Paolo’s little brother. Hopefully, they play with each other for the next 6-7 years.

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Post#526 » by Skin » Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:44 pm

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eyriq wrote:His personality really reminds me of Paolo for some reason.

I was thinking he was like Paolo’s little brother. Hopefully, they play with each other for the next 6-7 years.

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Post#527 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:11 pm

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The absolve floor for Wembanyama must be Shawn Bradley, a 12/1/8 Center. Realistically Wembanyama will exceed Porziņģis in time as a 20/3/9 player. And it would not be odd if he evolves into a Antetokounmpo-type at Center: 29/6/12. None of that requires distance shooting!

If Black wants to replace Fultz, then not only will he need a better percentage with the long-ball, he will need much higher volume. If Black wants to be the Magic PG starter from 2024/25, a 35% three ball on 3 attempts a gain is a bench mark. Otherwise in my opinion, Fultz starts next year over Black.

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Black is already a better 3pt shooter…but even if they both shot 10%…Black is a better defender, bigger, younger, cheaper, much better at drawing fouls, arguably a better passer


He hasn’t played a minute in the league to even draw a fair comparison on most of those things, so we probably shouldn’t proclaim them as fact yet.


That's fair...Fultz was also great in college, then...
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#528 » by SOUL » Sat Jul 1, 2023 12:11 am

Going to unsticky these for now since will need to sticky Summer League thread in the next day or so.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#529 » by basketballRob » Sat Jul 1, 2023 1:50 am

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Post#530 » by best of luck » Sat Jul 1, 2023 6:04 am

Watched the story video,
For a of the assists seemed low, but it was pointed out his teammates didn’t shoot well.
But high school the assists seemed also quite low at 4.
A bit of confusion for me now about why he gets labeled as such a great passer.
Hopefully a few Summer league games helps me see why
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#531 » by basketballRob » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:08 am

best of luck wrote:Watched the story video,
For a of the assists seemed low, but it was pointed out his teammates didn’t shoot well.
But high school the assists seemed also quite low at 4.
A bit of confusion for me now about why he gets labeled as such a great passer.
Hopefully a few Summer league games helps me see why
In a league that had nearly all the 1st round picks, Black won the MVP with 20 ppg and 8 apg.

I think the NBA will help his game. You can just see the way he reads the floor and tell he'll be a good passer.

https://www.theseasonticket.com/news_article/show/1181257


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Post#532 » by eyriq » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:10 am

best of luck wrote:Watched the story video,
For a of the assists seemed low, but it was pointed out his teammates didn’t shoot well.
But high school the assists seemed also quite low at 4.
A bit of confusion for me now about why he gets labeled as such a great passer.
Hopefully a few Summer league games helps me see why


That is a legit concern. I don't get it either.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#533 » by SOUL » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:24 am

eyriq wrote:
best of luck wrote:Watched the story video,
For a of the assists seemed low, but it was pointed out his teammates didn’t shoot well.
But high school the assists seemed also quite low at 4.
A bit of confusion for me now about why he gets labeled as such a great passer.
Hopefully a few Summer league games helps me see why


That is a legit concern. I don't get it either.


It's really not. Completely different schemes and usage rates than NBA.

Haliburton fresh year - 3.6 assists in 33 mins
Nash soph year - 3.7 assists in 30 minutes
Paul fresh year - 5.9 assists in 33 mins
Rondo soph year - 4.9 assists in 31 mins
Stockton soph year - 5.0 assists in 39 mins
Isiah Thomas fresh year - 5.5 assists in 34 minutes
Westbrook soph year - 4.3 assists in 34 mins

It's just not a huge barometer for anything - and these are some of the best passers/assist guys even though the game has gone away from pure pgs. Interestingly enough, Jason Kidd had similar great assists in both.
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#534 » by eyriq » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:25 am

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best of luck wrote:Watched the story video,
For a of the assists seemed low, but it was pointed out his teammates didn’t shoot well.
But high school the assists seemed also quite low at 4.
A bit of confusion for me now about why he gets labeled as such a great passer.
Hopefully a few Summer league games helps me see why


That is a legit concern. I don't get it either.


It's really not. Completely different schemes and usage rates than NBA.

Haliburton fresh year - 3.6 assists in 33 mins
Nash soph year - 3.7 assists in 30 minutes
Paul fresh year - 5.9 assists in 33 mins
Rondo soph year - 4.9 assists in 31 mins
Stockton soph year - 5.0 assists in 39 mins
Isiah Thomas fresh year - 5.5 assists in 34 minutes
Westbrook soph year - 4.3 assists in 34 mins

It's just not a huge barometer for anything - and these are some of the best passers/assist guys even though the game has gone away from pure pgs


Well, I feel better about it now! Thank you
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Post#535 » by SOUL » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:29 am

Yeah it's not to say he'll kill it either - just that lower assist rates in college are the norm. Bad spacing in the NBA is still good spacing in college ball and there's a lot more committee stuff in college. In the beginning he may have a similar role just because it's hard to come in as a PG but eventually I see no problems with him being a lead guard
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Post#536 » by best of luck » Sat Jul 1, 2023 12:35 pm

Thanks Soul, looking forward to the Summer league, and will have watched a few college games of Black hopefully also.
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Post#537 » by basketballRob » Sat Jul 1, 2023 7:59 pm

I'm ready for some behind the scenes access like last season. I know they just inked their deals.

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Post#538 » by Bensational » Sat Jul 1, 2023 10:20 pm

eyriq wrote:His personality really reminds me of Paolo for some reason.



He seems like a really high character and all round cool person. Very young- he’s defo the baby of the team this season. But his game is mature. Loved the part at 20:00 where he’s talking about playing at his own pace, taking what the defense gives him and not getting sped up.

He’s the sort of player who other players will enjoy playing with because he’s so likely to get them the ball in a scoring position.

Hearing that he didn’t start focusing on basketball until his senior year of high school makes me hopeful that he’s only scratching the surface of his potential and it’s already revealed a floor of an elite playmaker and facilitator.
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Post#539 » by ogmagicfan » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:25 am

Anthony Black was clearly the BPA, and is also a guard which we needed, it's pretty hard to be mad at his selection

I think he's a great player, real good bball IQ and feel for the game, good passer, great defender, great at drawing FT's, outstanding size for a PG (6'7)

He's a jump shot away from being a great starter & potential all-star level

I expect a midseason trade of one of our guards (most likely Fultz or Cole). I'd opt to say we should trade Fultz considering Black is gonna be a better version of Fultz at minimum (better defender, passer, FT rate,size & health) & has better potential at his shot
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Re: The Anthony Black Thread 

Post#540 » by KillMonger » Sun Jul 2, 2023 6:06 am

Shame he's going to rack up DNPs and be in lakeland for maybe until the deadline

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