Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 6.0

[Knightro]

Shut out to people who belive Franz will sign below max

And what Banchero's contract will look like? 5 years, $300 M? Holly Jesus.

Paolo will agree to a designated player max next summer and it will go into effect in the summer of 2026.

The cap in the summer of 2026 is projected to be 170.6M.

If Paolo earns All-NBA honors, DPOY or MVP in either of the next two seasons, he will be able to sign for 30% of the $170.6M cap in year 1.

That contract would start at $51.18M and would get 8% increases each year... so it would be 5 years, $300M.

But if he does not make the All-NBA team or win DPOY or win MVP in either of the next two seasons, he'll sign for 25% of the $170.6M cap in year 1.

That contract would start at just $42.65M and would get 8% increases each year... so it would be 5 years, $250M.

[Skybox]

Shut out to people who belive Franz will sign below max

And what Banchero's contract will look like? 5 years, $300 M? Holly Jesus.

Wow...sobering...it's going to be tough building a team. As much of a huge success as Franz has been, if he signs for those kind of numbers, he'll need to get to an entirely higher level of play to not limit ORL's ceiling. Franz & Suggs' deals combined might be enough to lead the FO to face some very tough decisions about who they choose to build around...Presti pulled the plug on Giddey BEFORE extending him, HOU facing similar decisions with Green and Sengun. With HOU holding that #3 as a trade chip, I wouldn't be surprised if Green is shipped out (on draft night-prior to an unpleasant negotiation process) with the pick for an established guy like Butler or Ingram, etc.

[pepe1991]

Shut out to people who belive Franz will sign below max

And what Banchero's contract will look like? 5 years, $300 M? Holly Jesus.

Paolo will agree to a designated player max next summer and it will go into effect in the summer of 2026.

The cap in the summer of 2026 is projected to be 170.6M.

If Paolo earns All-NBA honors, DPOY or MVP in either of the next two seasons, he will be able to sign for 30% of the $170.6M cap in year 1.

That contract would start at $51.18M and would get 8% increases each year... so it would be 5 years, $300M.

But if he does not make the All-NBA team or win DPOY or win MVP in either of the next two seasons, he'll sign for 25% of the $170.6M cap in year 1.

That contract would start at just $42.65M and would get 8% increases each year... so it would be 5 years, $250M.

Derrick Rose rule!
It's kind a funny that you have to hope your best player does not turn into MVP nor all nba team member especially because of megamax eligibility after rookie exstension

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I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

They legit consider draft and stash in the g-league as a viable path to developing first round picks even lottery picks. Given that it's a legitimate development path, it's completely legitimate to grade a player's performance on the path relative to where they are on that path. So yeah we don't like Jett but no it's not unfair or laughable that Weltman would be using a different criteria to evaluate Jett than we would for most rookies.

Also interesting is that they'll want to build the prestige of this path. So I actually think they're going to do everything in their power to have Jett succeed in the big league.

It is HIGHLY debatable if the G-League actually provides any sort of tangible development though considering 95% of the guys playing in the G-League aren't signed to an NBA club and are simply desperate to get noticed.

Like I get the concept, but there's no real evidence that the G-League actually provides the kind of development you/Weltman are claiming it does.

In my opinion, Jett spending the entire season down there in no way, shape or form better prepared him to jump into an NBA rotation next season. The gap in competition between the two levels is just astronomical.

I have long thought that there's also an unspoken agreement in the G-League for no one to really even try all that hard defensively so guys can put up big eye popping stat lines on the hopes an NBA team will see it and want to give them a 10-day when they have injuries.

People are being willfully dense about the G-league and how it relates to development in terms of actual NBA production.

It doesnt.

Jett could take a zillion shots and be the second or third best player on the Lakeland G-league affiliate and it ultimately means nothing. It's merely saying:

"Hey you aren't ready to play and aren't getting minutes, but we would rather keep you fresh playing basketball against inferior competition instead of rotting on the bench." Thats it.

Homers will claim its "all wildly successful" like Weltman said. The FACT remains that Orlando is one of the worst shooting teams in the league and Jett Howard (who was drafted to shoot) couldn't log minutes behind Gary Harris or Caleb Houstan. Yeah, sorry that doesnt look good and it looks like they reached for a prospect they had no business taking that high.

Don't really care what people say, NO scouts or draft experts has Jett Howard going that high and it was shocking for that reason. Weltman loves to get cute with his picks like Okeke thinking hes playing 4-D chess, when his draft record is absolute garbage outside of a top 10 pick. Thats why I dont really care about this draft. They inspire zero confidence in this range. Theyll take someone to be a third string guy that wont be able to earn minutes over anyone. Who cares.

[Audi]

Is GLeague better developmentally than college?

[tiderulz]

Maybe I'm being too concerned about price point but, imo, Hartenstein would be a small boost over WCJ...Claxton changes the whole defensive impact. ORL was already exceptional last season, largely based on aggressive perimeter D (even Isaac does most of his damage out there)...adding an elite rim protector behind that aggressive POA scheme would seem to compound the effect...allowing perimeter defenders to gamble and press EVEN MORE, knowing that getting past them just introduces another level of hell in the paint. Claxton is also really capable of switching out and sneaking back on an elite level. WCJ is surprisingly good at switching, given his sturdy build, but Claxton is closer to Isaac's level of agility & defensive instincts.

1) Draft night Trade with POR, add a pick if necessary to require them to take back some salary, enabling us to do what I mentioned above as well as add the guard we obtain from POR...
best: ORL sends Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, #48, and DEN 25 pick for Simons and #34
really good: ORL sends Cole Anthony, Houstan, ORL 26 frp (top 5), DEN 25 frp for Simons and #34
still pretty good: ORL sends Cole Anthony, ORL 25 frp (Top 8), and #48 for Brogdon and #34
* Draft Terrence Shannon at #18 (or McCain or Ja'Kobe Walter, if either drops)
* Draft Baylor Scheierman at #34 (if he's gone, maybe at 18?, take Dadiet or Tyson)

2) IF Claxton doesn't get re-signed quickly to BRK, maybe we could sign him to a 4yr $200m deal, as heavily frontloaded as possible, perhaps $30m next year, ultimately dropping as low as $20m in the final year. That might not be the terrible fiscal blunder that I'm fearing for anybody signed (especially an older guy) for more than 2 years. Claxton is young enough that you'd want to lock him up.

3) sign best available vet PG for less than $4m per...Kris Dunn is the best option, elite POA defender & recently added 3pt shooting

Claxton, WCJ, Mo. (that's just not fair big man depth)
Paolo, Isaac, WCJ
Franz, AB, Scheierman (#34)
Suggs, Shannon (#18), Queen
Simons, AB, Kris Dunn

would you not consider drafting someone like Daron Holmes? he is compared to Claxton. 6'10 235, decent passer, even showed 3 pt range his senior year (38%)

He's definitely intriguing...but a long stretch to just hope that a kind of skinny, small college kid becomes Claxton...He really is a good looking prospect though, especially if we find ourselves with a couple of picks somehow. I'm sure Paolo would prefer the one that's ready NOW...so would I.

Holmes is 235, if anyone is skinny its Claxton at 215. as for small colleges, plenty of success stories from there.

[pepe1991]

Shut out to people who belive Franz will sign below max

And what Banchero's contract will look like? 5 years, $300 M? Holly Jesus.

Wow...sobering...it's going to be tough building a team. As much of a huge success as Franz has been, if he signs for those kind of numbers, he'll need to get to an entirely higher level of play to not limit ORL's ceiling. Franz & Suggs' deals combined might be enough to lead the FO to face some very tough decisions about who they choose to build around...Presti pulled the plug on Giddey BEFORE extending him, HOU facing similar decisions with Green and Sengun. With HOU holding that #3 as a trade chip, I wouldn't be surprised if Green is shipped out (on draft night-prior to an unpleasant negotiation process) with the pick for an established guy like Butler or Ingram, etc.

I've been very critical about "homegrown" concept because simply CBA is structured in fashion where you get no financial benefits from doing so, and more often than not, you just trap yourself into bad situation.
You get few draft picks, regular season is what is ( bunch of 60% effort games) players take adventage of it, inflate stats, win some games, look like "stars" due inflation of offense and out of nowhere you are in situation where Brandon Igram is your cornerstone.


Like, i love Haliburton, i've been drooling over him ever since he arived in nba. But would i give him max ? No, i don't think i would. Yet he has $204M contract
Maybe i would, if he is my second best player, and my A star is somebody who is top 10 player. But that simply isn't case.

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Is GLeague better developmentally than college?

Every G-league ignite prospect hasn't lived up to expectations.

[pepe1991]

G league isn't developmental league. Period. It's a league made out of bunch of players who are too stubborn to leave US because they live in delusion of professional basketball career- in nba.

You have people who are 28 years old ( or older) still hanging there. For what?

Look for example Romeo Langford. He is 25 years old guy with 111 professional games played in his life. No matter how much i dislike Hezonja and his offcourt dominor, guy did one thing well- knew when it's time to leave to carve your career outside nba.
I highly doubt he can play serious basketball at any elite level , in or out US. What a hell is he doing in G league? Get out, find some elite coach who will turn you into next Exum.

This guys in G league just waste their 20s chasing pipe dream, and in same time don't improve and don't get serious money. They just chuck shots & padd stat sheet in hope some bad nba team picks them up.

[Nyce_1]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

his comment about 2nd round picks and having conversations with agents about what they (FO) want to do was interesting.

I'd almost guarantee they took Jett because he and his agent were fine being in G league all year and many other prospects were not interested in that. Probably could see the same thing with 18 this year and I'm ready to be baffled by the pick again

That also perked my ears up. Good dot-connecting back to Jett and how it may have played a role in his selection.

Its likely that's also why they took Chuma; he was ok delaying his rookie signing a year, as he recovered from ACL, helping out the team.

A few unknown factors always play a role into these picks.

[Skybox]

Is GLeague better developmentally than college?

the short answer is yes...but the portal system and paying the kids is certainly narrowing the gap...Ideally you have a guy like Coach K, who has the stability and power to tell a 19yo YouTube superstar to sit his lazy ass down if he's not going to give it all defensively (for example). Major college programs were the best developers of fundamentals, even, if to a lesser extent, in the one-and-done era.

G League Ignite has recruited and showcased some of the most highly-valued recruits and, to my knowledge, every one has looked just as raw and unrefined as any college kid and probably less-prepared than most foreign draftees. Pure talent prevails and guys like Scoot and Jalen Green and Kuminga will have solid careers, but they sure didn't come in any "readier" than other rookies in this era

[Black and Blue]

Is GLeague better developmentally than college?

I’d say they are two different beasts entirely based on what they are meant to do.

College is very much a farm system for NBA talent. It’s where teams get all of their pre draft information on players, but (regardless of an NBA team’s supposed relationship with college coaches) there is NO team control. Drafting a player is an inexact science at best, and the opportunity for a team to have egg on their face is high.

The G league is a spot where teams have much more control. They can tinker with development, see whether a rookie could have that alpha in them to be a star or just a role player, and have coaches actively feeding them factual information as opposed to the glass-half-full college speak where they are just trying to get their kid drafted. Despite all of the assistant coaches, development in-season on an NBA team is very difficult without playing time and winning is the ultimate priority.

Ultimately the whole decision about whether a player is the last guy on the bench or in the G League is less about their readiness to play and more about whether that player can help that team win games within their current roster setup.

Let’s not mince words though - the Magic drafted TWO mega projects in Black and Howard that were both nowhere near ready. The Magic played Black because the cupboard was so bare at PG that he was the best they could do while preserving roster flexibility. They had more options at SG, so down to the G league Howard went. It’s anyone’s guess who will actually be better between the two this year, and I’m sure Weltman is smiling as it’s an interesting experiment to send two rookies in separate directions to develop. As for this “wildly successful” quote, I’d take a step back as he could also be referring to the lessons of NBA vs G League development specific to the Magic organization.

I do think at the end of the day the Magic got really good intel on the best lineup fit for Howard based on his G League play.

[JoshuaPotter]

Is GLeague better developmentally than college?

Every G-league ignite prospect hasn't lived up to expectations.

I do not disagree this is mere factual posting.

I want to rant but wont. Mid-late reaches might as well be our teams MO. Players they can pickup / stash/ try playing later is just what they do.

Oh well.

[Skybox]

would you not consider drafting someone like Daron Holmes? he is compared to Claxton. 6'10 235, decent passer, even showed 3 pt range his senior year (38%)

He's definitely intriguing...but a long stretch to just hope that a kind of skinny, small college kid becomes Claxton...He really is a good looking prospect though, especially if we find ourselves with a couple of picks somehow. I'm sure Paolo would prefer the one that's ready NOW...so would I.

Holmes is 235, if anyone is skinny its Claxton at 215. as for small colleges, plenty of success stories from there.

Wow...I knew Claxton was thin but 215?!! I wonder if that's a current number...I like small school, overlooked, hard-work paid off, kind of guys...but the odds are a little more against them.

I'd be happy with Holmes as a draftee, I just hope we get multiple shots - through the draft, trade market and free agency to address immediate stuff too.

[Stix]

Any interest in Bradley Beal?

[tiderulz]

Any interest in Bradley Beal?

nope. his massive deal and injury issues are his biggest problems. he played 60 games once in the last 5 years.

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Is GLeague better developmentally than college?

the short answer is yes...but the portal system and paying the kids is certainly narrowing the gap...Ideally you have a guy like Coach K, who has the stability and power to tell a 19yo YouTube superstar to sit his lazy ass down if he's not going to give it all defensively (for example). Major college programs were the best developers of fundamentals, even, if to a lesser extent, in the one-and-done era.

G League Ignite has recruited and showcased some of the most highly-valued recruits and, to my knowledge, every one has looked just as raw and unrefined as any college kid and probably less-prepared than most foreign draftees. Pure talent prevails and guys like Scoot and Jalen Green and Kuminga will have solid careers, but they sure didn't come in any "readier" than other rookies in this era

GMs are starting to get savvy to the G-league bull ****.
Matas Buzelis Is the latest guy to do this schtick and I haven’t heard anything positive from anyone anywhere about him as a prospect. Same with Ron Holland. Just a defensive forward with no offensive skillset whatsoever.

No positive intel on these players in a string of gleague guys that thought they’d forgo college to hide the fact that they are raw prospects with unrefined skill sets. They’d probably drop 10 spots if they went to Kentucky, Connecticut, or Duke if they had to showcase their skills against similar talent. Filipowski was similarly ranked 2 years ago and now he’s not considered lottery.

[eyriq]

G-League is going to be treated as a development league for a while. It's a new trend. Whether it's a viable player development strategy or not will be seen. It's a little early to be saying it's a success or a failure right now. There was an article about this last year. I forget where I read it. Probably the Ringer, but they basically went into an introduction of this new strategy for player development. Draft and stash in the g-league is here to stay for a while anyway.

[davey_wavy]

Just came in from a 3 week cig break. Have I missed anything?

[eyriq]

Just came in from a 3 week cig break. Have I missed anything?

Thousands of posts and yet... You've missed nothing haha

The battle between the "aggressive builders" and "organic developers" has been entertaining though.