2024-2025 Regular Season Game 32: Miami Heat (14-13) at Orlando Magic (19-12) - 7pm

[Knightro]

They will get better for sure. It will definitely be a better version of what we saw last season.

I don’t think the system offensively was good last season though.

So take that for what it’s worth and from a guy that plays up a schtick.

The “system” sucked last year primarily because Paolo was inefficient as a shooter/scorer as well as high turnover and Franz was spectacularly bad at shooting threes.

If those two things improve, and based on what we saw from both guys when they were playing this year, it appears those things were improved, the system will magically look a lot better.

When your highest USG guy jumps from a .546 TS% to a .590 TS% and cuts the turnovers from 13% to 8%, that literally alone with nothing else will improve the offense dramatically.

Combine that with your second highest usage guy proving he can scale up in USG by 5-6% (a massive jump) without losing any efficiency too?

There’s a lot of ways to skin the cat offensively. But generally speaking, if your individual talents are really good offensively your offense as a whole will follow suit.

This harkens back to conversations a month or so ago that ultimately devolve into “I guess we will see when everyone is healthy”.

Like, Boston without Tatum and Brown are still a team with Jrue Holiday, Derrick White, KP, Horford, and Pritchard yknow? Thats still a very competitive two way team that can do things.

Orlando is well.. just a combination of who you see now that relies entirely on those two guys systemically for offense.

I would never say those guys won’t get better as players. Yeah, Orlando will be worse without them. They should be shouldering the load offensively. I just also can glean some takeaways of this groups capabilities without them on offense.

It’s a lot of young players but they are definitely inconsistent as the guys you want to fortify your support “system” around. This game was a somewhat good example of that. Incredible defense, poor shot selection/offense, terrible ball control and poise.

Suggs, while extremely valuable on defense, is tasked with attempting to make up offense he isn’t really capable of doing. In a way he has regressed out of necessity due to the FO passing on a trad point guard. This is the result whether intended or not. That’s part of the game when you take risks like “these two rookie scale guys run everything on offense” with no real alternative in the interim.

So we are back to “I guess we will see”. I’m just holding firm in the belief that some of your supporting cast should be able to generate reliable offense aside from your two stars. Moe kind of does in a black hole kind of way. That would be a nice leg to stand on from this season (no pun intended). I’m just not really seeing it. And no, I’m not taking that away from this game directly. It’s just an overarching take from this and last season.

You do realize the Magic are 16-11 since Paolo got hurt, right?

Is that not a very competitive team that can do things?

Like I understand you don’t like the rock fight style, but they’re still winning games without their 30 USG guy.

They’re even 3-4 since Paolo *and* Franz have both been out which isn’t awful considering who they’ve played.

If you took Tatum and Brown off Boston at the same time for a 4-6 weeks apiece, they’d be at least as bad and probably worse than the Magic have been without Paolo.

It’s really hard to survive without your two best players and two offensive fulcrums both being out for extended stretches, man.

And we’re upset because they are doing it ugly? Because guys 3-10 on the totem pole aren’t good at handling the basketball and creating offense?

[Knightro]

If anyone around here wants to believe Paolo Banchero is going to be a 54 TS% and 13 TOV% player again this season like he was last year, be my guest.

I say, respectfully, assume that at your own risk.

And you think he will sustain 59% TS?

He can meet somewhere in the middle and still improve the offense significantly from last year by doing so.

If he’s a 57 TS% 10 TOV% guy that will still help the offense dramatically compared to last year given what his usage is likely to be.

When a player’s usage is that high, even moderate gains in efficiency make a bigger impact than they normally would.

[KillMonger]

So sad, if we had moe Wagner we probably could've won, he can get a bucket

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[Blue_and_Whte]

Our bench was trash.12 points collectively. Gross.

[Optimus_Steel]

That being said, they fought hard. I think winning the last two games (which may or may not have been fluky) makes people think we should win every game, and we by all means should've won this, but we also have to be realistic on who is out there getting minutes.

This. Still had a lead late, they fought. It happens. Move on to the next.

[Optimus_Steel]

Wow didn’t realize that Miami has played 4 less games than us.

[RichCollab]

Our bench was trash.12 points collectively. Gross.

We are down 4 rotational players. We are getting 3 back. Bench should improve.

[JoshuaPotter]

I probably should have said "anti-jinx". But, again, I do not hold our boys accountable that much. We are playing without our 1st, 2nd, 4th scoring options.

TDS is looking decent out there. That's great, at least numbers wise.

AB laid an egg, he needs more time to cook but the flashes are too good for me to ignore.

Suggs make 30% of his 3s we win this game, but this isn't entirely on him either. Whole team shot bad from 3.

[RichCollab]

23 TOs is something we have control over. That’s the story to the loss. Shooting usually doesn’t determine we win or lose and isn’t as easy to control as TOs.

Suggs had 7 TOs. He was maybe our best player out there but that’s killer. I’m hoping as Suggs gets more experience playing he can better harness his emotions into defense and attacking the rim. When he has to be a decision maker with the ball use the emotion to focus better.

Emotions make him super human so you live with it but I’m hopeful he can harness them a little more.

[Rainwater]

Franz was sick those two games and didnt play entire halves to be fair.. the three actual games they played fully together Franz scored 23 or more on 16 or more shots every game.

Lot of these roles make sense with a healthy team. You can argue that this team is rarely healthy, so it's hard to feel like its worth keeping the team together if they only work a specific way, but like we are way better than expected this year with all of these injuries.

It's obvious we will need a guard of some kind to come in and help steady us, but again, they seem willing to let AB/the team take the lumps since we aren't a contender THIS year.

They were healthy pretty much entire 2023-24 season as a group and last year Franz only averaged 15 shots a game on 25% usage.

This year-

Last 15 games ( all without Banchero, him being healthy, flue free)- 32,7% usage rate, 20,5 shots a game.

So it's still up in the air to figure how to bland Banchero and Franz together, in situation where neither Banchero will make Franz less potent, nor Franz will stand in way of Banchero.
Up until this year people just assumed Banchero is more talented offensive player and that was it. After November, there wasn't single serious person around NBA that would make serious case for Franz taking step down. But in order to have this "Wunder Franz" , Banchero will probably need to take slight step down, because it's near impossible to run offense with two -30% usage rate players and not turn rest of roster into spectators.

hey seem willing to let AB/the team take the lumps since we aren't a contender THIS year.

That would make sense if Black is actually being played like PG, especially now without both Franz and Paolo. But it's not. He somehow plays LESS overall and even some early season playmaking duties he had, are now taken away from him. That first Philly game was last time it felt like Black plays play maker. Ever since he is just wing who sometimes walks ball through half court.

Even by just looking at raw APGs you can see decline in role. From 4,1 APG to 2,7.

I think Black will only be PG in name only, I don’t know if he will be a traditional PG with Paolo and Franz on this team. I feel like the magic want him to have the same role that Jrue Holiday has in Boston. Holiday is not really creating for the Celtics with Brown and Tatum on the court and just like black his raw assist numbers have fallen compared to last year. And who knows he can turnout to be that traditional PG since he is only 20.

I am not saying if it is right or wrong but the fact the Magic have not addressed the PG position makes it seem like they are willing to see how Black progresses. Like Soul said the magic can afford to do this since they are young and aren’t trying to win. They can pursue another PG down the line if the experiment fails.

I personally go back and forth if Black is the future PG some games he looks great and there others where he looks like trash.

[VFX]

The “system” sucked last year primarily because Paolo was inefficient as a shooter/scorer as well as high turnover and Franz was spectacularly bad at shooting threes.

If those two things improve, and based on what we saw from both guys when they were playing this year, it appears those things were improved, the system will magically look a lot better.

When your highest USG guy jumps from a .546 TS% to a .590 TS% and cuts the turnovers from 13% to 8%, that literally alone with nothing else will improve the offense dramatically.

Combine that with your second highest usage guy proving he can scale up in USG by 5-6% (a massive jump) without losing any efficiency too?

There’s a lot of ways to skin the cat offensively. But generally speaking, if your individual talents are really good offensively your offense as a whole will follow suit.

This harkens back to conversations a month or so ago that ultimately devolve into “I guess we will see when everyone is healthy”.

Like, Boston without Tatum and Brown are still a team with Jrue Holiday, Derrick White, KP, Horford, and Pritchard yknow? Thats still a very competitive two way team that can do things.

Orlando is well.. just a combination of who you see now that relies entirely on those two guys systemically for offense.

I would never say those guys won’t get better as players. Yeah, Orlando will be worse without them. They should be shouldering the load offensively. I just also can glean some takeaways of this groups capabilities without them on offense.

It’s a lot of young players but they are definitely inconsistent as the guys you want to fortify your support “system” around. This game was a somewhat good example of that. Incredible defense, poor shot selection/offense, terrible ball control and poise.

Suggs, while extremely valuable on defense, is tasked with attempting to make up offense he isn’t really capable of doing. In a way he has regressed out of necessity due to the FO passing on a trad point guard. This is the result whether intended or not. That’s part of the game when you take risks like “these two rookie scale guys run everything on offense” with no real alternative in the interim.

So we are back to “I guess we will see”. I’m just holding firm in the belief that some of your supporting cast should be able to generate reliable offense aside from your two stars. Moe kind of does in a black hole kind of way. That would be a nice leg to stand on from this season (no pun intended). I’m just not really seeing it. And no, I’m not taking that away from this game directly. It’s just an overarching take from this and last season.

You do realize the Magic are 16-11 since Paolo got hurt, right?

Is that not a very competitive team that can do things?

Like I understand you don’t like the rock fight style, but they’re still winning games without their 30 USG guy.

They’re even 3-4 since Paolo *and* Franz have both been out which isn’t awful considering who they’ve played.

If you took Tatum and Brown off Boston at the same time for a 4-6 weeks apiece, they’d be at least as bad and probably worse than the Magic have been without Paolo.

It’s really hard to survive without your two best players and two offensive fulcrums both being out for extended stretches, man.

And we’re upset because they are doing it ugly? Because guys 3-10 on the totem pole aren’t good at handling the basketball and creating offense?

Extremely safe no risk takes to make.

Orlando wins despite missing two stars : supporting cast is fine and nothing to worry about at all. They shouldn’t even be winning.

Orlando loses despite missing two stars : Guys are injured what do you expect without two main players. This is expected.

Galactic brain take :

Wins and losses don’t matter this season really. Front Office should be evaluating this group regardless of current situation and make moves to establish better cohesive unit surrounding those guys they know will be here for as long as possible.

What you are parroting in either win or loss isn’t really a take. It’s a pass for the entire season without making informed decisions. You are able to draw conclusions without needing 100% of all available data because you’ve watched basketball before, know how the league operates, and know what skill sets happen to be.

[JoshuaPotter]

This harkens back to conversations a month or so ago that ultimately devolve into “I guess we will see when everyone is healthy”.

Like, Boston without Tatum and Brown are still a team with Jrue Holiday, Derrick White, KP, Horford, and Pritchard yknow? Thats still a very competitive two way team that can do things.

Orlando is well.. just a combination of who you see now that relies entirely on those two guys systemically for offense.

I would never say those guys won’t get better as players. Yeah, Orlando will be worse without them. They should be shouldering the load offensively. I just also can glean some takeaways of this groups capabilities without them on offense.

It’s a lot of young players but they are definitely inconsistent as the guys you want to fortify your support “system” around. This game was a somewhat good example of that. Incredible defense, poor shot selection/offense, terrible ball control and poise.

Suggs, while extremely valuable on defense, is tasked with attempting to make up offense he isn’t really capable of doing. In a way he has regressed out of necessity due to the FO passing on a trad point guard. This is the result whether intended or not. That’s part of the game when you take risks like “these two rookie scale guys run everything on offense” with no real alternative in the interim.

So we are back to “I guess we will see”. I’m just holding firm in the belief that some of your supporting cast should be able to generate reliable offense aside from your two stars. Moe kind of does in a black hole kind of way. That would be a nice leg to stand on from this season (no pun intended). I’m just not really seeing it. And no, I’m not taking that away from this game directly. It’s just an overarching take from this and last season.

You do realize the Magic are 16-11 since Paolo got hurt, right?

Is that not a very competitive team that can do things?

Like I understand you don’t like the rock fight style, but they’re still winning games without their 30 USG guy.

They’re even 3-4 since Paolo *and* Franz have both been out which isn’t awful considering who they’ve played.

If you took Tatum and Brown off Boston at the same time for a 4-6 weeks apiece, they’d be at least as bad and probably worse than the Magic have been without Paolo.

It’s really hard to survive without your two best players and two offensive fulcrums both being out for extended stretches, man.

And we’re upset because they are doing it ugly? Because guys 3-10 on the totem pole aren’t good at handling the basketball and creating offense?

Extremely safe no risk takes to make.

Orlando wins despite missing two stars : supporting cast is fine and nothing to worry about at all. They shouldn’t even be winning.

Orlando loses despite missing two stars : Guys are injured what do you expect without two main players. This is expected.

Galactic brain take :

Wins and losses don’t matter this season really. Front Office should be evaluating this group regardless of current situation and make moves to establish better cohesive unit surrounding those guys they know will be here for as long as possible.

What you are parroting in either win or loss isn’t really a take. It’s a pass for the entire season without making informed decisions. You are able to draw conclusions without needing 100% of all available data because you’ve watched basketball before.

The question to me always reverts back to our weakest element. Scoring from the backcourt. We have 1 legitimate scorer who isn't a good creator.

Cole / Black were hopefuls to fill the scoring / creation role from the bench, but somehow, Mo rose above all the rest, finding what little mojo from his brother he could.

Black, like it or not, front office / coach needs to just admit to live or die by him. Yet, I think we are trying to remain in win now mode, but how "committed" to that mode are we? Not enough to do a trade similar to the one that got us Rafer Alston when Jameer was injured.

Edit : forgot to write about Cole.
Cole is emerging from the dump. Potentially reviving some of his aforementioned potential 6-man value. A nice hot streak from him whether we win or lose gives us potential value in a trade that involves picks. So, in terms of Cole playing better and getting more attention, I think that fits the design in more ways then one.

[Knightro]

Extremely safe no risk takes to make.

Orlando wins despite missing two stars : supporting cast is fine and nothing to worry about at all. They shouldn’t even be winning.

Orlando loses despite missing two stars : Guys are injured what do you expect without two main players. This is expected.

Galactic brain take :

Wins and losses don’t matter this season really. Front Office should be evaluating this group regardless of current situation and make moves to establish better cohesive unit surrounding those guys they know will be here for as long as possible.

What you are parroting in either win or loss isn’t really a take. It’s a pass for the entire season without making informed decisions. You are able to draw conclusions without needing 100% of all available data because you’ve watched basketball before and know what skill sets happen to be.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here honestly.

You have repeatedly expressed displeasure that the Magic haven't built a team that you believe that is capable of succeeding offensively without their two best players shouldering the entire offensive load like you say someone like Boston has the ability to do with their bevy of ball handlers, but yet the Magic are still winning games?

Would you rather them lose more so your point about the roster 3 thru 15 would be more correct?

I'm just not sure what you're trying to accomplish or even say.

[VFX]

The question to me always reverts back to our weakest element. Scoring from the backcourt. We have 1 legitimate scorer who isn't a good creator.

Cole / Black were hopefuls to fill the scoring / creation role from the bench, but somehow, Mo rose above all the rest, finding what little mojo from his brother he could.

Black, like it or not, front office / coach needs to just admit to live or die by him. Yet, I think we are trying to remain in win now mode, but how "committed" to that mode are we? Not enough to do a trade similar to the one that got us Rafer Alston when Jameer was injured.

Edit : forgot to write about Cole.
Cole is emerging from the dump. Potentially reviving some of his aforementioned potential 6-man value. A nice hot streak from him whether we win or lose gives us potential value in a trade that involves picks. So, in terms of Cole playing better and getting more attention, I think that fits the design in more ways then one.

To me it’s about ball movement and creating off the dribble. Nobody on the roster is capable of that aside from Paolo and Franz.

Anthony Black is not that guy unfortunately. Great defensive player, good decision maker, spot up shooter sometimes, and can slash to the rim occasionally. Ball handler, threat off the dribble, table setter, offense orchestrator? No.

This team has shooters. They acquired who I’m told was the prime 3&D wing on the market last summer. Suggs when he’s in his real role was such a guy last season as well. Franz returning to his form is also a good shooter. Paolo with a few years should be as well. Gary Harris and Jett Howard are supposedly shooters too. None of this is an issue of shooting.

This is an issue of ball movement that people tell me Franz and Paolo should be in charge of handling despite poor results last season. Supposedly last season doesn’t matter now and they’ll figure it out instead of the FO making their lives easier. Yknow when opposing teams draw up the very complex defense called “don’t let those two guys touch the ball or put it on the floor”.

[VFX]

Extremely safe no risk takes to make.

Orlando wins despite missing two stars : supporting cast is fine and nothing to worry about at all. They shouldn’t even be winning.

Orlando loses despite missing two stars : Guys are injured what do you expect without two main players. This is expected.

Galactic brain take :

Wins and losses don’t matter this season really. Front Office should be evaluating this group regardless of current situation and make moves to establish better cohesive unit surrounding those guys they know will be here for as long as possible.

What you are parroting in either win or loss isn’t really a take. It’s a pass for the entire season without making informed decisions. You are able to draw conclusions without needing 100% of all available data because you’ve watched basketball before and know what skill sets happen to be.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here honestly.

You have repeatedly expressed displeasure that the Magic haven't built a team that you believe that is capable of succeeding offensively without their two best players shouldering the entire offensive load like you say someone like Boston has the ability to do with their bevy of ball handlers, but yet the Magic are still winning games?

Would you rather them lose more so your point about the roster 3 thru 15 would be more correct?

I'm just not sure what you're trying to accomplish or even say.

Then don’t worry about it.

We will see when everyone is healthy.

That’s the only possible way to know anything at all right?

[Knightro]

Then don’t worry about it.

We will see when everyone is healthy.

That’s the only possible way to know anything at all right?

Making sweeping judgements about the state of the organization when their 30% USG No. 1 option offensively has missed 85% of the games and their other 30% USG No. 2 option has missed the last 7 on top of that and stands to miss at least 10-15 more seems really silly to me.

I would be willing to wager a huge sum of money that if you removed the top two usage players from any NBA team for multiple weeks at the same time, every single team in the league would suffer greatly offensively.

This is just common sense stuff.

Look at Phoenix. 14-5 when Durant plays. 1-9 when he doesn't play. And that's just Durant, not Durant *and* their 2nd best player either.

Look at Philadelphia. 3-14 when Embiid, George and Maxey all missed tons of time early in the season. 8-3 since they all returned.

Teams play worse on offense without their best offensive players. This isn't some ridiculous concept.

[jezzerinho]

Then don’t worry about it.

We will see when everyone is healthy.

That’s the only possible way to know anything at all right?

Making sweeping judgements about the state of the organization when their 30% USG No. 1 option offensively has missed 85% of the games and their other 30% USG No. 2 option has missed the last 7 on top of that and stands to miss at least 10-15 more seems really silly to me.

I would be willing to wager a huge sum of money that if you removed the top two usage players from any NBA team for multiple weeks at the same time, every single team in the league would suffer greatly offensively.

This is just common sense stuff.

Look at Phoenix. 14-5 when Durant plays. 1-9 when he doesn't play. And that's just Durant, not Durant *and* their 2nd best player either.

Look at Philadelphia. 3-14 when Embiid, George and Maxey all missed tons of time early in the season. 8-3 since they all returned.

Teams play worse on offense without their best offensive players. This isn't some ridiculous concept.

What's one got to do with the other?
Either we know from what we've seen to date that we need to rebalance the roster or we don’t know.

Most of us feel we know by now. And have for some time.

[JoshuaPotter]

The question to me always reverts back to our weakest element. Scoring from the backcourt. We have 1 legitimate scorer who isn't a good creator.

Cole / Black were hopefuls to fill the scoring / creation role from the bench, but somehow, Mo rose above all the rest, finding what little mojo from his brother he could.

Black, like it or not, front office / coach needs to just admit to live or die by him. Yet, I think we are trying to remain in win now mode, but how "committed" to that mode are we? Not enough to do a trade similar to the one that got us Rafer Alston when Jameer was injured.

Edit : forgot to write about Cole.
Cole is emerging from the dump. Potentially reviving some of his aforementioned potential 6-man value. A nice hot streak from him whether we win or lose gives us potential value in a trade that involves picks. So, in terms of Cole playing better and getting more attention, I think that fits the design in more ways then one.

To me it’s about ball movement and creating off the dribble. Nobody on the roster is capable of that aside from Paolo and Franz.

Anthony Black is not that guy unfortunately. Great defensive player, good decision maker, spot up shooter sometimes, and can slash to the rim occasionally. Ball handler, threat off the dribble, table setter, offense orchestrator? No.

This team has shooters. They acquired who I’m told was the prime 3&D wing on the market last summer. Suggs when he’s in his real role was such a guy last season as well. Franz returning to his form is also a good shooter. Paolo with a few years should be as well. Gary Harris and Jett Howard are supposedly shooters too. None of this is an issue of shooting.

This is an issue of ball movement that people tell me Franz and Paolo should be in charge of handling despite poor results last season. Supposedly last season doesn’t matter now and they’ll figure it out instead of the FO making their lives easier. Yknow when opposing teams draw up the very complex defense called “don’t let those two guys touch the ball or put it on the floor”.

Ah yes, but I had to re-read what I said, I did not mention shooting. I mentioned how Black / Anthony do not currently provide shot creation / scoring in any meaningful way that can be always attributed to wins.

I think in a perfect world somehow Cole was going to return to last seasons form an Black turned into an Ingles type and "still might" but thats the problem. We are not committing to it. In fact, we are in some crazy era of "win now mode" without acquiring the pieces to "win now".

I don't really disagree with your evaluation of Cole vs Black because
1) Cole isn't that guy, we dont need scoring, we need ball movement & scoring. But the scoring helps. He can't be part of the long term plan when your % usage guys are all coming from the "F" position.
2) Black well, doesn't seem to be ready to step up and become the Ingles type this year. He is struggling. My personal thought? triple down and play him anyway. Problem is, and anyone would be correct to say. This formula won't equate to wins, which supposedly we are fighting for a playoff spot even with our best two players missing 1/3 of the season at roughly the same times.

[Knightro]

What's one got to do with the other?
Either we know from what we've seen to date that we need to rebalance the roster or we don’t know.

Most of us feel we know by now. And have for some time.

Do we though?

We've seen all of like 3 games with leveled up Year 3 Paolo and leveled up Year 4 Franz together healthy with a bevy of hard nosed role players in their ideal roles and not being stretched beyond their reasonable capabilities with those guys out.

The offense was bad last year because Paolo and Franz weren't efficient enough. Paolo as an overall scorer and with turnovers. Franz with three point shooting.

If they've both leveled up and gotten better at the things they were weak at last year, and the early indications are they both have improved those weaknesses, the offense will be a lot better with nothing else changed whatsoever.

Injuries have, unfortunately, robbed us from seeing how that would play out over an extended stretch.

[BadMofoPimp]

This harkens back to conversations a month or so ago that ultimately devolve into “I guess we will see when everyone is healthy”.

Like, Boston without Tatum and Brown are still a team with Jrue Holiday, Derrick White, KP, Horford, and Pritchard yknow? Thats still a very competitive two way team that can do things.

Orlando is well.. just a combination of who you see now that relies entirely on those two guys systemically for offense.

I would never say those guys won’t get better as players. Yeah, Orlando will be worse without them. They should be shouldering the load offensively. I just also can glean some takeaways of this groups capabilities without them on offense.

It’s a lot of young players but they are definitely inconsistent as the guys you want to fortify your support “system” around. This game was a somewhat good example of that. Incredible defense, poor shot selection/offense, terrible ball control and poise.

Suggs, while extremely valuable on defense, is tasked with attempting to make up offense he isn’t really capable of doing. In a way he has regressed out of necessity due to the FO passing on a trad point guard. This is the result whether intended or not. That’s part of the game when you take risks like “these two rookie scale guys run everything on offense” with no real alternative in the interim.

So we are back to “I guess we will see”. I’m just holding firm in the belief that some of your supporting cast should be able to generate reliable offense aside from your two stars. Moe kind of does in a black hole kind of way. That would be a nice leg to stand on from this season (no pun intended). I’m just not really seeing it. And no, I’m not taking that away from this game directly. It’s just an overarching take from this and last season.

You do realize the Magic are 16-11 since Paolo got hurt, right?

Is that not a very competitive team that can do things?

Like I understand you don’t like the rock fight style, but they’re still winning games without their 30 USG guy.

They’re even 3-4 since Paolo *and* Franz have both been out which isn’t awful considering who they’ve played.

If you took Tatum and Brown off Boston at the same time for a 4-6 weeks apiece, they’d be at least as bad and probably worse than the Magic have been without Paolo.

It’s really hard to survive without your two best players and two offensive fulcrums both being out for extended stretches, man.

And we’re upset because they are doing it ugly? Because guys 3-10 on the totem pole aren’t good at handling the basketball and creating offense?

Extremely safe no risk takes to make.

Orlando wins despite missing two stars : supporting cast is fine and nothing to worry about at all. They shouldn’t even be winning.

Orlando loses despite missing two stars : Guys are injured what do you expect without two main players. This is expected.

Galactic brain take :

Wins and losses don’t matter this season really. Front Office should be evaluating this group regardless of current situation and make moves to establish better cohesive unit surrounding those guys they know will be here for as long as possible.

What you are parroting in either win or loss isn’t really a take. It’s a pass for the entire season without making informed decisions. You are able to draw conclusions without needing 100% of all available data because you’ve watched basketball before, know how the league operates, and know what skill sets happen to be.

This is probably why the Magic make no moves unless a too good of a deal comes up.