FIRE WELTMAN

[eyriq]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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Yup! Especially if you consider AB the sixth man.

These are not expensive needs.

[Skin]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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Playmaking guard? So keep AB and then trade Suggs? Or is AB a bench player that you just refuse to put on the trade market despite him being the poster boy for our flaws?

[Skin]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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Yup! Especially if you consider AB the sixth man.

These are not expensive needs.

Rather have KCP as our 6th. Makes more sense for a win now team

[basketballRob]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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Playmaking guard? So keep AB and then trade Suggs? Or is AB a bench player that you just refuse to put on the trade market despite him being the poster boy for our flaws?

He's still developing. Guards don't just come in and are good when they're young.

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[Skin]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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Playmaking guard? So keep AB and then trade Suggs? Or is AB a bench player that you just refuse to put on the trade market despite him being the poster boy for our flaws?

He's still developing. Guards don't just come in and are good when they're young.

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Yea but we are in win now mode and he's not even close.

Btw wasn't the ROY a guard?

[eyriq]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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Yup! Especially if you consider AB the sixth man.

These are not expensive needs.

Rather have KCP as our 6th. Makes more sense for a win now team

AB has the creator profile you need from a sixth man, KCP does not. KCP in 29.6 mpg averaged 9/2/2, AB in 24.2 mpg averaged 9/3/3.

Per 100
KCP 15/4/3
AB 20/6/6

AB is an all-around guard while KCP is a 3&D spot-up shooter.

[basketballRob]

Playmaking guard? So keep AB and then trade Suggs? Or is AB a bench player that you just refuse to put on the trade market despite him being the poster boy for our flaws?

He's still developing. Guards don't just come in and are good when they're young.

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Yea but we are in win now mode and he's not even close.

Btw wasn't the ROY a guard?

Black was better than him and only about 10 months older. Castle got 26% usage on a lottery team, which was the big difference.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=castlst01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=blackan01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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[basketballRob]

https://youtu.be/JHONwO-V6VU?si=1RFCboYc7zIOfphc

[Skin]

Yup! Especially if you consider AB the sixth man.

These are not expensive needs.

Rather have KCP as our 6th. Makes more sense for a win now team

AB has the creator profile you need from a sixth man, KCP does not. KCP in 29.6 mpg averaged 9/2/2, AB in 24.2 mpg averaged 9/3/3.

Per 100
KCP 15/4/3
AB 20/6/6

AB is an all-around guard while KCP is a 3&D spot-up shooter.

I'm fine trading both.

[eyriq]

Rather have KCP as our 6th. Makes more sense for a win now team

AB has the creator profile you need from a sixth man, KCP does not. KCP in 29.6 mpg averaged 9/2/2, AB in 24.2 mpg averaged 9/3/3.

Per 100
KCP 15/4/3
AB 20/6/6

AB is an all-around guard while KCP is a 3&D spot-up shooter.

I'm fine trading both.

Don't have any clue what you could have against Anthony Black. He's objectively good already and he's going into his third season when point guards tend to start breaking out.

[pepe1991]

"point guard" that has 0 assists in playoff series after 5 games.
"point guard" who can't keep dribble alive while facing up opponents.
"point guard" who can't take chair off dribble.
"point guard" who can't shoot from mid range.
"point guard" who gets Ben Simmons treatment as outside shooter
"point guard" who has no floater.

Yea. I'm starting new treand now, i'm calling Fred Van Vleet center now. 8 rebounds tonight, post game, He will probably need few more years to develop his Kareem hook but it's getting there. He already has better footwork than Duncan, bit faster than Garnett off burst. Elite center right there.
He isn't your traditional rim runner or rim protector but with 2 blocks in 6 games, he already is more rim protector than Black is PG. But little steps, you know elite 5'9 centers don't develop their rim protecting skills until they are 32. After that game slows down for them.


Just because you repeat some lie 5000 times that doesn't make it true. Black is not PG. He is backup SF with less PG instics than Nic Batum, who was jack of all trades and way more of a PG than Black will ever be, yet never played full time PG in his life.


I don't give a damn will they trade Black or not, but he is personification of everything wrong with Weltman's drafting. Tall draft pick with no offensive skills and all about defense.


And all this age talk makes me sick. Alperen Segun A CENTER, had 5 assists a game last year as A CENTER.
Watching Stephon Castle for first time, in second preseson game, it was clear to me he is better than Black. So guy with zer0 nba games was better PG/all around player/ more crafty guard than Black was after whole year in nba + whole off season. Now that gap is just much bigger.


Black is our 6th overall pick. If history tells us anything ( Bamba, Fultz, Isaac, Okeke , Cole) it tells us Weltman will keep him for ages. I'm not strong on "trade him" idea, but his value is probably still high due draft stock. Lot of nba teams need their defensive SF.

But this whole "Point guard" lunacy needs to stop.




Look at my boy rim protecting whole team. Mmmmm i'm getting that Mutombo vibe

[basketballRob]

Thanks for letting us know what role Black played this season. Like he said in his exit interview during at different times of the season, he played different roles. Black likely didn't play PG because, like all young players, they have high turnovers.

Cole has more experience running the point and had 6 assists and 9 turnovers vs. the Celtics.

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[Skybox]

Thanks for letting us know what role Black played this season. Like he said in his exit interview during at different times of the season, he played different roles. Black likely didn't play PG because, like all young players, they have high turnovers.

Cole has more experience running the point and had 6 assists and 9 turnovers vs. the Celtics.

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This has gotten ridiculous...like a couple of young ladies out for drinks, when eyriq announces he's going to the powder room, Rob now jumps up "me too".

[Skybox]

AB has the creator profile you need from a sixth man, KCP does not. KCP in 29.6 mpg averaged 9/2/2, AB in 24.2 mpg averaged 9/3/3.

Per 100
KCP 15/4/3
AB 20/6/6

AB is an all-around guard while KCP is a 3&D spot-up shooter.

I'm fine trading both.

Don't have any clue what you could have against Anthony Black. He's objectively good already and he's going into his third season when point guards tend to start breaking out.

I'd say other than people who just enjoy bashing him for your sake...he IS objectively a good player and, unfortunately - as others have said, his redundancies with KCP and Suggs make it sensible that one of them be traded...AB is the least expensive (by a LOT), the youngest, the longest, and (if you really squint your eyes) you can imagine that he still is the likeliest to develop more...so, he's got the most tradable package of the 3.

Suggs, with his new contract and his new potentially chronic knee issue, is far and away the best of the three, on both ends, but his negatives are also greater. KCP is truly a finishing piece for a contender...I've tried to sell him as a vet leader, with championship pedigree (since thats how he was sold to us by Weltman)...but I haven't seen any visible signs of intangibles and leadership. Maybe it's there, but certainly not to the extent that "forgettable" acqisition Joe Ingles displayed it....point being KCP is the least valuable of the 3, by a lot, but he still may have his mystique around the league as a winner.

My long-winded as usual point is that anybody sane can see that AB is a good player (argue position later) with value...so, suggesting he's tradable is a compliment, in this case, not the usual "Trade Cole - I don't want to see him in a Magic uni" goofy rants.

[Bergmaniac]

You have to give value to get value in return, I like Black a lot but there are plenty of potential trades involving him I'd do in a heartbeat.

[Skybox]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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Yup! Especially if you consider AB the sixth man.

These are not expensive needs.

A big bruiser of a Center who rebounds on both ends would be big for us.

[basketballRob]

What positions do we need? A playmaking guard and a backup forward.

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Yup! Especially if you consider AB the sixth man.

These are not expensive needs.

A big bruiser of a Center who rebounds on both ends would be big for us.

Maybe Brook will want to spend his last year or two near Disney.

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[basketballRob]

I think the media, especially Windhorst , is pressuring Weltman to make moves. Windhorst was upset about it. He's a Cavs homer, and I don't listen to any suggestions by him.

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[Skybox]

Yup! Especially if you consider AB the sixth man.

These are not expensive needs.

A big bruiser of a Center who rebounds on both ends would be big for us.

Maybe Brook will want to spend his last year or two near Disney.

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We could do a lot worse...If we could unload Goga and WCJ's deals, I'd welcome both Lopez brothers...RoLo is fine for a 3rd Center on a vet min. A big feisty guy who likes to get physical. Even a limited duo of Lopez brothers on their last legs would be a better fit while we find the Center of the future somewhere.

We've got way too much money tied up in the C position with basically 3 solid backups, not even considering Isaac's minutes there.

I'd take Brook, Robin, Sorber or Beringer (I really don't know which looks like a REAL C at #16) over $31 m of WCJ, Goga, Moe (sorry Moe)

It's a real shame that Moe can't play passable defense...it's kind of important for a C...he could be PF off the bench with that group.


I could see Brook finishing his career, winning a ring in LAL, like Bill Walton, on a vet min

[basketballRob]

A big bruiser of a Center who rebounds on both ends would be big for us.

Maybe Brook will want to spend his last year or two near Disney.

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We could do a lot worse...If we could unload Goga and WCJ's deals, I'd welcome both Lopez brothers...RoLo is fine for a 3rd Center on a vet min. A big feisty guy who likes to get physical. Even a limited duo of Lopez brothers on their last legs would be a better fit while we find the Center of the future somewhere.

We've got way too much money tied up in the C position with basically 3 solid backups, not even considering Isaac's minutes there.

I'd take Brook, Robin, Sorber or Beringer (I really don't know which looks like a REAL C at #16) over $31 m of WCJ, Goga, Moe (sorry Moe)

It's a real shame that Moe can't play passable defense...it's kind of important for a C...he could be PF off the bench with that group.


I could see Brook finishing his career, winning a ring in LAL, like Bill Walton, on a vet min

Yeah, LA has a Disney, too.

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