2025-2026: Around the League

[basketballRob]

I'm interested to see if Presti low-balls Chet and Jalen Williams this summer.

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[Knightro]

I'm interested to see if Presti low-balls Chet and Jalen Williams this summer.

Definitely not IMO.

Chet will get a 25% max and Jalen will get a 25% max that can become a 30% max if he reaches All-NBA.

[JoshuaPotter]

I'm interested to see if Presti low-balls Chet and Jalen Williams this summer.

Definitely not IMO.

Chet will get a 25% max and Jalen will get a 25% max that can become a 30% max if he reaches All-NBA.

Do we think Chet / Jalen / Shai are the new Durant / Westbrook / Harden in terms of players well see for decades?

If Presti does, then I assume lesson will be learned.

[BadMofoPimp]

I'm interested to see if Presti low-balls Chet and Jalen Williams this summer.

Definitely not IMO.

Chet will get a 25% max and Jalen will get a 25% max that can become a 30% max if he reaches All-NBA.

I don't think Chet is worth that much but he will get it regardless. I would have done a sign and trade of Chet for 2 solid players and draft capital.

[JoshuaPotter]

I'm interested to see if Presti low-balls Chet and Jalen Williams this summer.

Definitely not IMO.

Chet will get a 25% max and Jalen will get a 25% max that can become a 30% max if he reaches All-NBA.

I don't think Chet is worth that much but he will get it regardless. I would have done a sign and trade of Chet for 2 solid players and draft capital.

Chet is interesting, 15+pgg,8+rph,2+blks isn't exactly eye popping but supposedly he anchors the defense very well. That being said, I feel underwhelmed by the stat lines. Could be because it was the finals.

[Knightro]

Chet wasn't good offensively in the finals, but he was good defensively and he's just a fantastic third banana. Arguably the best third banana in the league.

Absolutely a winning player.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Atlanta has killed it this offseason not going to lie. Meanwhile we’re holding onto dead weight Isaac and Jett who likely has 0 value.

[SOUL]

Atlanta has killed it this offseason not going to lie. Meanwhile we’re holding onto dead weight Isaac and Jett who likely has 0 value.

Comparing as if we've had a bad offseason is very bad faith lol. Could say the same about Bufkin for them.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Atlanta has killed it this offseason not going to lie. Meanwhile we’re holding onto dead weight Isaac and Jett who likely has 0 value.

Comparing as if we've had a bad offseason is very bad faith lol. Could say the same about Bufkin for them.

Not comparing at all just looking at our bench wondering where points are coming from. Not Isaac certainly not Jett and Goga yeah not sure about that either. It’s AB and Jase with minimal help.

[SOUL]

Atlanta has killed it this offseason not going to lie. Meanwhile we’re holding onto dead weight Isaac and Jett who likely has 0 value.

Comparing as if we've had a bad offseason is very bad faith lol. Could say the same about Bufkin for them.

Not comparing at all just looking at our bench wondering where points are coming from. Not Isaac certainly not Jett and Goga yeah not sure about that either. It’s AB and Jase with minimal help.

You're going to see a lot more Bane/Franz and Paolo/Suggs (or any mix) of bench unit stuff IMO. Mixed with AB/TDS roles being increased a bit and hopefully getting a few unexpected bursts of scoring from Tyus/others. And then hopefully Moe should be wrapped up soon too and come back near the holidays.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Comparing as if we've had a bad offseason is very bad faith lol. Could say the same about Bufkin for them.

Not comparing at all just looking at our bench wondering where points are coming from. Not Isaac certainly not Jett and Goga yeah not sure about that either. It’s AB and Jase with minimal help.

You're going to see a lot more Bane/Franz and Paolo/Suggs (or any mix) of bench unit stuff IMO. Mixed with AB/TDS roles being increased a bit and hopefully getting a few unexpected bursts of scoring from Tyus/others. And then hopefully Moe should be wrapped up soon too and come back near the holidays.

News to me we signed Tyus (in Alaska) that’s solid for sure!!!

[basketballRob]

Not comparing at all just looking at our bench wondering where points are coming from. Not Isaac certainly not Jett and Goga yeah not sure about that either. It’s AB and Jase with minimal help.

You're going to see a lot more Bane/Franz and Paolo/Suggs (or any mix) of bench unit stuff IMO. Mixed with AB/TDS roles being increased a bit and hopefully getting a few unexpected bursts of scoring from Tyus/others. And then hopefully Moe should be wrapped up soon too and come back near the holidays.

News to me we signed Tyus (in Alaska) that’s solid for sure!!!

At least it's daylight 24 hours a day up there, right now. I lived in Ft Wainwright for 3 years.

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[jonbob17]

I'm interested to see if Presti low-balls Chet and Jalen Williams this summer.

Definitely not IMO.

Chet will get a 25% max and Jalen will get a 25% max that can become a 30% max if he reaches All-NBA.

Williams made all nba this year, but he has to make it again? I am not sure I understand the logic there. Could you imagine if Chet won DPOY? They could be in a hurt in a hurry.

[pepe1991]

I'm interested to see if Presti low-balls Chet and Jalen Williams this summer.

Definitely not IMO.

Chet will get a 25% max and Jalen will get a 25% max that can become a 30% max if he reaches All-NBA.

Williams made all nba this year, but he has to make it again? I am not sure I understand the logic there. Could you imagine if Chet won DPOY? They could be in a hurt in a hurry.

New CBA and aprons are killing nba.
No matter if you do everything right, due how restrictive second apron is, you will have to retool or blow it up in very short period of time.

OKC has 1 year left in them to run back same team. After that they need to retool.

From POV of young pretender, it's better to have +B team but all the assets than -A team and no assets. Because +B team can cash in everything and go balls out for 2-3 years, where former kind a has nothing to sell but young players that are integral part of that team being good.

That's how OKC actually won title in first place. They had very good group of guys and lot of assets. Than cashed in salary cap ( I Hart) + assets ( Giddey) for actual contributor.

Saving grace for OKC is fact that they have SOO MUCH assets in picks, unlike majority of other young teams. But still, with SGA's mega max and two max contracts pending, it will be very challenging for them to navigate in future. Won't be shocked if one of Chet/J Will is gone after 25-26. If they win again ( and let's be objective, they are by far biggest title favorites, it's either them Houston or Denver), than it becomes tempting to run back for 3-peat that NBA didn't have in very, very long time.

[Knightro]

Definitely not IMO.

Chet will get a 25% max and Jalen will get a 25% max that can become a 30% max if he reaches All-NBA.

Williams made all nba this year, but he has to make it again? I am not sure I understand the logic there. Could you imagine if Chet won DPOY? They could be in a hurt in a hurry.

New CBA and aprons are killing nba.
No matter if you do everything right, due how restrictive second apron is, you will have to retool or blow it up in very short period of time.

OKC has 1 year left in them to run back same team. After that they need to retool.

From POV of young pretender, it's better to have +B team but all the assets than -A team and no assets. Because +B team can cash in everything and go balls out for 2-3 years, where former kind a has nothing to sell but young players that are integral part of that team being good.

That's how OKC actually won title in first place. They had very good group of guys and lot of assets. Than cashed in salary cap ( I Hart) + assets ( Giddey) for actual contributor.

Saving grace for OKC is fact that they have SOO MUCH assets in picks, unlike majority of other young teams. But still, with SGA's mega max and two max contracts pending, it will be very challenging for them to navigate in future. Won't be shocked if one of Chet/J Will is gone after 25-26. If they win again ( and let's be objective, they are by far biggest title favorites, it's either them Houston or Denver), than it becomes tempting to run back for 3-peat that NBA didn't have in very, very long time.

OKC’s situation isn’t quite as dire in the immediate short term as you’re making it out to be.

SGA’s super max doesn’t kick in until 27-28, and before that happens they will be able to move on from Hartenstein for sure and probably also Dort.

They have at least the next two years and if they pull off a three-peat, does it really matter if they have to break it up because of financial reasons?

[SOUL]

They won't be forced to move from Chet/JWill lol. They are staying. Hartenstein would be a goner and so would ancillary pieces if they want to get a big payday like maybe Dort or someone. Some owners are also going to be insanely cheap which you can fault the CBA for, is also on the owner themselves to be okay with paying more or having specific restrictions.

It didn't even cripple Boston's ability to have Tatum/Brown/White still on the team, but when you have like 5 other guys wanting to get paid, and then simply "want" to pay KP and Jrue (capable of being All-Stars in a bad year or at least could've a year or two ago) to stay together as well, THAT is when you run into issues. They still would've had to let go of one or two of those guys regardless if Tatum got hurt or not, but that seems like a good idea that you can't just keep 5 all-star talents together very cheaply because you're a Boston or an LA.

[pepe1991]

Williams made all nba this year, but he has to make it again? I am not sure I understand the logic there. Could you imagine if Chet won DPOY? They could be in a hurt in a hurry.

New CBA and aprons are killing nba.
No matter if you do everything right, due how restrictive second apron is, you will have to retool or blow it up in very short period of time.

OKC has 1 year left in them to run back same team. After that they need to retool.

From POV of young pretender, it's better to have +B team but all the assets than -A team and no assets. Because +B team can cash in everything and go balls out for 2-3 years, where former kind a has nothing to sell but young players that are integral part of that team being good.

That's how OKC actually won title in first place. They had very good group of guys and lot of assets. Than cashed in salary cap ( I Hart) + assets ( Giddey) for actual contributor.

Saving grace for OKC is fact that they have SOO MUCH assets in picks, unlike majority of other young teams. But still, with SGA's mega max and two max contracts pending, it will be very challenging for them to navigate in future. Won't be shocked if one of Chet/J Will is gone after 25-26. If they win again ( and let's be objective, they are by far biggest title favorites, it's either them Houston or Denver), than it becomes tempting to run back for 3-peat that NBA didn't have in very, very long time.

OKC’s situation isn’t quite as dire in the immediate short term as you’re making it out to be.

SGA’s super max doesn’t kick in until 27-28, and before that happens they will be able to move on from Hartenstein for sure and probably also Dort.

They have at least the next two years and if they pull off a three-peat, does it really matter if they have to break it up because of financial reasons?

If they resign J Will and Chet on 25% max, they will be strained.

SGA -$40,8
I Hart - $28,5 M
Caruso - $19,55
Dort - $18,2
Chet- $41M ( based on 7% raise )
J Will $41M
Joe - $11M
Wiggins - $9,2
Jaylin - $8

= 9 men, $217,5M cap. + guaranteed $13M assuming team options picked of Topić and Wallace ( + Dieng and Kendrich are both gone for nothing in return
in this scenario and nobody is drafted )

Second apron at $222M.


Year later, SGA+ Chet+ J Will = $156M on it's own

[Knightro]

New CBA and aprons are killing nba.
No matter if you do everything right, due how restrictive second apron is, you will have to retool or blow it up in very short period of time.

OKC has 1 year left in them to run back same team. After that they need to retool.

From POV of young pretender, it's better to have +B team but all the assets than -A team and no assets. Because +B team can cash in everything and go balls out for 2-3 years, where former kind a has nothing to sell but young players that are integral part of that team being good.

That's how OKC actually won title in first place. They had very good group of guys and lot of assets. Than cashed in salary cap ( I Hart) + assets ( Giddey) for actual contributor.

Saving grace for OKC is fact that they have SOO MUCH assets in picks, unlike majority of other young teams. But still, with SGA's mega max and two max contracts pending, it will be very challenging for them to navigate in future. Won't be shocked if one of Chet/J Will is gone after 25-26. If they win again ( and let's be objective, they are by far biggest title favorites, it's either them Houston or Denver), than it becomes tempting to run back for 3-peat that NBA didn't have in very, very long time.

OKC’s situation isn’t quite as dire in the immediate short term as you’re making it out to be.

SGA’s super max doesn’t kick in until 27-28, and before that happens they will be able to move on from Hartenstein for sure and probably also Dort.

They have at least the next two years and if they pull off a three-peat, does it really matter if they have to break it up because of financial reasons?

If they resign J Will and Chet on 25% max, they will be strained.

SGA -$40,8
I Hart - $28,5 M
Caruso - $19,55
Dort - $18,2
Chet- $41M ( based on 7% raise )
J Will $41M
Joe - $11M
Wiggins - $9,2
Jaylin - $8

= 9 men, $217,5M cap. + guaranteed $13M assuming team options picked of Topić and Wallace ( + Dieng and Kendrich are both gone for nothing in return
in this scenario and nobody is drafted )

Second apron at $222M.


Year later, SGA+ Chet+ J Will = $156M on it's own

Yeah but they have a team option on Hartenstein for $28.5M for 26-27 that they can easily just decline and give them plenty of wiggle room. He’s not an essential piece moving forward.

They’re gonna be completely fine the next two years.

27-28 is where it’s gonna start to actually get brutal when SGA’s deal jumps from 40M to 64M on its own.

[pepe1991]

OKC’s situation isn’t quite as dire in the immediate short term as you’re making it out to be.

SGA’s super max doesn’t kick in until 27-28, and before that happens they will be able to move on from Hartenstein for sure and probably also Dort.

They have at least the next two years and if they pull off a three-peat, does it really matter if they have to break it up because of financial reasons?

If they resign J Will and Chet on 25% max, they will be strained.

SGA -$40,8
I Hart - $28,5 M
Caruso - $19,55
Dort - $18,2
Chet- $41M ( based on 7% raise )
J Will $41M
Joe - $11M
Wiggins - $9,2
Jaylin - $8

= 9 men, $217,5M cap. + guaranteed $13M assuming team options picked of Topić and Wallace ( + Dieng and Kendrich are both gone for nothing in return
in this scenario and nobody is drafted )

Second apron at $222M.


Year later, SGA+ Chet+ J Will = $156M on it's own

Yeah but they have a team option on Hartenstein for $28.5M for 26-27 that they can easily just decline and give them plenty of wiggle room. He’s not an essential piece moving forward.

They’re gonna be completely fine the next two years.

27-28 is where it’s gonna start to actually get brutal when SGA’s deal jumps from 40M to 64M on its own.

Again, to me it depends how this season plays out. if they are once again top tear team, it makes sense to run back, if they aren't, mini retool for better flexibility will be made. My point was- current roster can only be ran back one more year ( by losing I Hart and Dort / Caruso it's not same team ).
If we talk running back in sense of Chet, SGA & J Will, than sure , that core won't go anywhere for at least 2 more years.

[Knightro]

If they resign J Will and Chet on 25% max, they will be strained.

SGA -$40,8
I Hart - $28,5 M
Caruso - $19,55
Dort - $18,2
Chet- $41M ( based on 7% raise )
J Will $41M
Joe - $11M
Wiggins - $9,2
Jaylin - $8

= 9 men, $217,5M cap. + guaranteed $13M assuming team options picked of Topić and Wallace ( + Dieng and Kendrich are both gone for nothing in return
in this scenario and nobody is drafted )

Second apron at $222M.


Year later, SGA+ Chet+ J Will = $156M on it's own

Yeah but they have a team option on Hartenstein for $28.5M for 26-27 that they can easily just decline and give them plenty of wiggle room. He’s not an essential piece moving forward.

They’re gonna be completely fine the next two years.

27-28 is where it’s gonna start to actually get brutal when SGA’s deal jumps from 40M to 64M on its own.

Again, to me it depends how this season plays out. if they are once again top tear team, it makes sense to run back, if they aren't, mini retool for better flexibility will be made. My point was- current roster can only be ran back one more year ( by losing I Hart and Dort / Caruso it's not same team ).
If we talk running back in sense of Chet, SGA & J Will, than sure , that core won't go anywhere for at least 2 more years.

I’d be willing to bet that they move on from Hartenstein after this season no matter what. Whether they win the NBA title or not.

He’s just not an essential piece moving forward for them.