2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

[Noonskadoodle]

You guys watch one youtube highlight of a player and then fall in love with him. SMH.

Taylor is a TURNOVER MACHINE! He's very frustrating to watch because he makes such boneheaded decisions with the ball. You don't want this guy as our starting PG. Even after 4 years of college he could never get past that problem.

I never once said "starting pg". The guy does commit too many turnovers, but if he was selected by us he would be a spark off the bench from a SCORING standpoint.

As of right now my top 2 selections would be Miller & Harkless.

A lot can/will change from now & the draft.

[MasterGMer]

You guys watch one youtube highlight of a player and then fall in love with him. SMH.

Taylor is a TURNOVER MACHINE! He's very frustrating to watch because he makes such boneheaded decisions with the ball. You don't want this guy as our starting PG. Even after 4 years of college he could never get past that problem.

Absolutely. i want someone who can at least shoot well and excel at PnR. That is pretty much of our offense. IF he can't do that, that is a problem

[Skin]

You guys watch one youtube highlight of a player and then fall in love with him. SMH.

Taylor is a TURNOVER MACHINE! He's very frustrating to watch because he makes such boneheaded decisions with the ball. You don't want this guy as our starting PG. Even after 4 years of college he could never get past that problem.

I never once said "starting pg". The guy does commit too many turnovers, but if he was selected by us he would be a spark off the bench from a SCORING standpoint.

As of right now my top 2 selections would be Miller & Harkless.

A lot can/will change from now & the draft.

OK, but you sure been hyping him up. I agree, he's a good depth guy if we draft him in the 2nd. I wouldn't be mad at that at all. Drafting him at 19 would make me upset.

This is not a good year for PG. It's almost worth taking a chance on developing one if you're going to go that route. Going with the likes of one of the undersized SGs... like Dion Waiters, Austin Rivers (who I expect to be gone by 19) or my pet cat John Jenkins.

Jenkins was asked to be a scorer in college and he was damn good at it, but I think his best spot in the NBA will be at PG, which he has been working on this offseason to show scouts his versatility. He'll have to hone the skill, but much like Russell Westbrook came out of UCLA as a SG into the pros, I think Jenkins is right in that mold of player. Not as explosive with his legs, but still plays fast and can shoot with the best in this class.. if not the NBA. But the key is that he's not a catch 'n shoot kind of guy who needs to be set up for the shot, instead he's a guy that can create his own shot whether it's from 3pt land or driving to the basket. I LOVE THIS GUY. He's NOT a natural born PG, but he's a guy who I think displays shades of Westbrook and if we landed one of the Thunder's assistant GMs, I would guess John Jenkins gets a good hard look at 19.

[Noonskadoodle]

I really don't like the idea of Jenkins trying to be a pg.

Im just not that high on the PGs this year (or the so called ppl trying to become a PG)

Now next year there will be 2 guys in the draft who I would LOVE to be our PG of the future.

1. Lorenzo Brown from NC State &
2. Trey Burke from Michigan

But that's pretty far away now hahaha

[Neon1]

You guys watch one youtube highlight of a player and then fall in love with him. SMH.

Taylor is a TURNOVER MACHINE! He's very frustrating to watch because he makes such boneheaded decisions with the ball. You don't want this guy as our starting PG. Even after 4 years of college he could never get past that problem.

The turnovers are the only real hole in his production. That is something very likely can be fixed or at least made managable. He has consistently improved it over his career (look at the numbers).

These are the PG's being discussed here.We have seen the videos, now take a look at the numbers. (ppg stats are per36 so they are on an even base)

Kendall Marshall 6-4 - 8.8ppg 2.8rpg 10.7apg 1.31spg - 47fg% 35three% 70ft%
17.2per .558ts% .505eFG% 4.0reb% 45.1ast% 2.0stl% 27.8tov% 13.9usg% 114.9offRAT 97.8defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... all-1.html

Marquis Teague 6-2 - 11.0ppg 2.8rpg 5.3apg 0.99spg - 41fg% 32three% 71ft%
13.2per .491ts% .449eFG% 4.4reb% 25.6ast% 1.7stl% 21.1tov% 20.2usg% 101.7offRAT 98.8defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... gue-1.html

Tony Wroten 6-5 - 19ppg 5.9rpg 4.4apg 2.26spg - 44fg% 16three% 58ft%
20.4per .488ts% .453eFG% 8.9reb% 24.5ast% 3.5stl% 18.7to% 31.2usg% 98.8offRAT 98.1defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ten-1.html

Tyshawn Taylor 6-3 - 17.9ppg 2.5rpg 5.2apg 1.40spg - 48fg% 38three% 69ft%
19.8per .569ts% .538eFG% 4.0reb% 29.7ast% 2.4stl% 19.5tov% 27.5usg% 106.9offRAT 97.1 defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... lor-1.html
TEAM: 2011-12: 32-7 (Lost in National Championship game), 2010-11: 35-3 (Lost in Regional Final)


For all the turnover talk, Kendall Marshall has a higher Turnover percentage BY FAR then any of the PG prospects in range. This is a guy that NEVER tries to shoot or score and still turns the ball over at that rate. Taylor on the other hand for all the flack only turns it over at 19.5%. If you look at that number, Taylor has improved it year by year. He also has led his team to impressive win/loss results (67-10) the last couple seasons as the starter.

[Skin]

I really don't like the idea of Jenkins trying to be a pg.

Im just not that high on the PGs this year (or the so called ppl trying to become a PG)

Now next year there will be 2 guys in the draft who I would LOVE to be our PG of the future.

1. Lorenzo Brown from NC State &
2. Trey Burke from Michigan

But that's pretty far away now hahaha

He wouldn't be trying to be a traditional pass first PG. That would be a mistake. There are plenty of successful PGs in the league that are considered more undersized SGs. You rarely get a "finished product" picking at 19, and that would be the case here too. He's got a lot of work to do in order to translate his game successfully (outside of shooting/scoring) to the NBA. His knack for scoring is special though because he's so clutch and so competitive. It's a great place to start and then try to let other things fall into place.

The league being the copy cat league that it is will have more teams trying to replicate what the 2 best teams have. The Thunder and Heat. 3 guys that can light it up for 25+ on any given night. The Thunder have Westbrook, Harden, & Durant. The Heat have James, Wade, & Bosh. It's much harder to replicate the Spurs because what they have is built over long time togetherness. Same with Boston. Rebuilding teams can go that route, but the Magic are in a quick fix mode, so they should look to the Thunder and Heat model.

The last time we had 3 players that could put up 25+ points on any given night, we went to the Finals in '08. There are a few players that I really like and he's one of them.

[Skin]

You guys watch one youtube highlight of a player and then fall in love with him. SMH.

Taylor is a TURNOVER MACHINE! He's very frustrating to watch because he makes such boneheaded decisions with the ball. You don't want this guy as our starting PG. Even after 4 years of college he could never get past that problem.

The turnovers are the only real hole in his production. That is something very likely can be fixed or at least made managable. He has consistently improved it over his career (look at the numbers).

These are the PG's being discussed here.We have seen the videos, now take a look at the numbers. (ppg stats are per36 so they are on an even base)

Kendall Marshall 6-4 - 8.8ppg 2.8rpg 10.7apg 1.31spg - 47fg% 35three% 70ft%
17.2per .558ts% .505eFG% 4.0reb% 45.1ast% 2.0stl% 27.8tov% 13.9usg% 114.9offRAT 97.8defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... all-1.html

Marquis Teague 6-2 - 11.0ppg 2.8rpg 5.3apg 0.99spg - 41fg% 32three% 71ft%
13.2per .491ts% .449eFG% 4.4reb% 25.6ast% 1.7stl% 21.1tov% 20.2usg% 101.7offRAT 98.8defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... gue-1.html

Tony Wroten 6-5 - 19ppg 5.9rpg 4.4apg 2.26spg - 44fg% 16three% 58ft%
20.4per .488ts% .453eFG% 8.9reb% 24.5ast% 3.5stl% 18.7to% 31.2usg% 98.8offRAT 98.1defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ten-1.html

Tyshawn Taylor 6-3 - 17.9ppg 2.5rpg 5.2apg 1.40spg - 48fg% 38three% 69ft%
19.8per .569ts% .538eFG% 4.0reb% 29.7ast% 2.4stl% 19.5tov% 27.5usg% 106.9offRAT 97.1 defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... lor-1.html
TEAM: 2011-12: 32-7 (Lost in National Championship game), 2010-11: 35-3 (Lost in Regional Final)


For all the turnover talk, Kendall Marshall has a higher Turnover percentage BY FAR then any of the PG prospects in range. This is a guy that NEVER tries to shoot or score and still turns the ball over at that rate. Taylor on the other hand for all the flack only turns it over at 19.5%. If you look at that number, Taylor has improved it year by year. He also has led his team to impressive win/loss results (67-10) the last couple seasons as the starter.

Nice research and breakdown. It does make me feel better about him after seeing that.

[ChildishGambino]

You guys watch one youtube highlight of a player and then fall in love with him. SMH.

Taylor is a TURNOVER MACHINE! He's very frustrating to watch because he makes such boneheaded decisions with the ball. You don't want this guy as our starting PG. Even after 4 years of college he could never get past that problem.

The turnovers are the only real hole in his production. That is something very likely can be fixed or at least made managable. He has consistently improved it over his career (look at the numbers).

These are the PG's being discussed here.We have seen the videos, now take a look at the numbers. (ppg stats are per36 so they are on an even base)

Kendall Marshall 6-4 - 8.8ppg 2.8rpg 10.7apg 1.31spg - 47fg% 35three% 70ft%
17.2per .558ts% .505eFG% 4.0reb% 45.1ast% 2.0stl% 27.8tov% 13.9usg% 114.9offRAT 97.8defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... all-1.html

Marquis Teague 6-2 - 11.0ppg 2.8rpg 5.3apg 0.99spg - 41fg% 32three% 71ft%
13.2per .491ts% .449eFG% 4.4reb% 25.6ast% 1.7stl% 21.1tov% 20.2usg% 101.7offRAT 98.8defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... gue-1.html

Tony Wroten 6-5 - 19ppg 5.9rpg 4.4apg 2.26spg - 44fg% 16three% 58ft%
20.4per .488ts% .453eFG% 8.9reb% 24.5ast% 3.5stl% 18.7to% 31.2usg% 98.8offRAT 98.1defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ten-1.html

Tyshawn Taylor 6-3 - 17.9ppg 2.5rpg 5.2apg 1.40spg - 48fg% 38three% 69ft%
19.8per .569ts% .538eFG% 4.0reb% 29.7ast% 2.4stl% 19.5tov% 27.5usg% 106.9offRAT 97.1 defRAT
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... lor-1.html
TEAM: 2011-12: 32-7 (Lost in National Championship game), 2010-11: 35-3 (Lost in Regional Final)


For all the turnover talk, Kendall Marshall has a higher Turnover percentage BY FAR then any of the PG prospects in range. This is a guy that NEVER tries to shoot or score and still turns the ball over at that rate. Taylor on the other hand for all the flack only turns it over at 19.5%. If you look at that number, Taylor has improved it year by year. He also has led his team to impressive win/loss results (67-10) the last couple seasons as the starter.

Great stats here....i like Tayshawn.....has all the speed and athleticism Teague does but with lights out shooting with a chance to be a good defender? i'm sold

[Noonskadoodle]

Yea Tyshawn def has a chance to be an elite defender with his length & quickness.

Like I said before he could be a very good role player with his scoring & defense off the bench.

[Skin]

Again, 2nd Round is fine for me, even if we have to move up in Round 2 to get him.... but at 19, no thanks.

[Truth24]

I've been looking over some interesting prospects that we may go for in the second round and I think I have found my favorite so far. Kostas Papanikolaou is a small forward from Greece that brings nothing but energy, rebounding, and a very good three point shot. The guy works hard on defense contesting and sticking with his man. The thing I like the most about Kostas is that every time his team shoots the ball he is crashing the lane for a rebound. Kostas is ready to come over and I think this would be a smart pick getting a player who has played very well in the best euro league.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma_R5ekMKdM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0FTS9fvm7g[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwzfF-wwSm8[/youtube]

[Skin]

If you want Papanikolaou, then you better hope we get the Spurs Assistant GM. LOL.

[Noonskadoodle]

If there is one guy who could give you some great info on Papanikolaou it would be AdamTheGreek

[mattyBoi]

I've been looking over some interesting prospects that we may go for in the second round and I think I have found my favorite so far. Kostas Papanikolaou is a small forward from Greece that brings nothing but energy, rebounding, and a very good three point shot. The guy works hard on defense contesting and sticking with his man. The thing I like the most about Kostas is that every time his team shoots the ball he is crashing the lane for a rebound. Kostas is ready to come over and I think this would be a smart pick getting a player who has played very well in the best euro league.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma_R5ekMKdM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0FTS9fvm7g[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwzfF-wwSm8[/youtube]

First thing I noticed was he has some pretty bad footwork. Not judging him though.

[ChildishGambino]

19 is not too bad of a spot though....you can get a prospect with some talent there...BUT...it's all about scouting and maybe a little luck.....hopefully we take the draft seriously this season instead of high-fiving in the war room because the pizza arrived.....

[B-easy]

You guys should just go with Wroten. He has been confirmed to be about 6'7. His TO% is one of the lowest out of the group of PG's that you are considering, he can MAYBE even play the SF position occasionally. Also i watched many of the husky games and often teammates couldn't handle his passes they so his TO's should be significantly lower and assists slightly higher.He has PER above 20 as a freshman, and a great scorer who was 5th in FTA in NCAA overall.

He had a serious ACL injury a while back which limited his athleticism , but he is still super quick especially considering his size. The only downside is his shooting, from the field and FT line, but i have heard that this can be quickly fixed (within a couple of seasons).

[Just Plain Mark]

Wroten's got more downside than just his shooting; he also has a lot of trouble going right (he's a lefty). And his shooting from 3 is really bad (16%).

As for his decision making, he averaged more turnovers than assists. If his teammates couldn't handle his passes, he should have made an adjustment (though I have a hard time believing his teammates are at fault for his TO's).

I think Tyshown Taylor would be a better pick because he can shoot better, still create off the dribble, is a good defender, and has good size. Taylor also had TO issues and character issues, so he's not perfect, but if he falls into the early/mid 2nd round than I think he's a great value.

[nicnac215]

I still think Arnett Moultrie is the pick if he is available.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQR4UJK7Hn8&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

[drsd]

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Slamonline has a fascinating article on Marshall:

SlamOnline: Smooth Operator

It’s Marshall’s skill set that makes him unique, especially among point guards, in the 2012 Draft.

“The plays I make are usually, to me, the most obvious play,” Marshall explained. “In my opinion, all I am doing is making the right play.”

What Marshall saw on the court last season was a lot different than that of almost any other college point guard. Whether pushing the ball in transition, or running a half-court offense, Marshall seems to see options in places that don’t appear to be options. If you are going to play with him, you better be ready any time and anywhere on the court, because he will find you.

The more I read about this kid the more I recall what the press was on Nash when he came into the league.

Look my fellow Magic fans, we have all debated for years the benefits of a pass-fist PG. Here is on that can be had for a Richardson-2 + #19 pick. How can Marshall be passed up for such package?

I cannot recall being so high on a projected mid-lottery pick!

The closing thought:

So, the next time you are debating who may be the best point guard, or passer, or any other list you want to make, Kendall is just going to keep on doing what he does. He makes the team better.

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[ChildishGambino]

Marshall to me is a project....he is not an NBA starter right now...probably for the next 2 or 3 years....solid backup though