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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#541 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 1, 2014 1:26 am

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Orlwillbeback wrote:of for crying out loud, smart is not a better athlete than exum because of the max vert measurement at the combine.

If you really give a **** about the combine, exum killed everything EXCEPT the max vert.

What did he do better than Smart. Smart had a better Vertical jump, better agility test, and did 19 reps on the weights. "killed it" is a bit of a stretch for Exum.

You are factually wrong:

It was Dante who had the better agility test at 10.75 seconds. Smart was at 10.82 seconds.

Shuttle run: Dante 2.88 vs Smart 2.96

Three quater sprint: 3.19 seconds vs smart: 3.26

Exum is quicker and faster in tests and in game than smart.


we'll say that Exum did better (because he did), but when we are talking .05 seconds, i cant see that really translate too much on the court.
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Post#542 » by Orlwillbeback » Sun Jun 1, 2014 1:35 am

tiderulz wrote:
we'll say that Smart did better (because he did), but when we are talking 1.5 inches, i cant see that really translate too much on the court.


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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#543 » by Big A All Day » Sun Jun 1, 2014 2:15 am

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Orlwillbeback wrote:I hate this argument. How can a player's exceptional size for a position be looked at as a negative? Especially when they bring everything else to the table. Livingston didnt handle or move as quick as exum and was more lithe, that is more attributable to his never living up to his 4th selection than some superstitious assumption about being "too tall" to play pg.

Is there is a certain cut off where a point guard is too tall to be considered a true point guard? Mcw seemed pretty decent his rookie year.


The Shaun Livingston comparison was one I worried about early in this past season when we first started really talking about this draft class. Livingston is a nice player. His problem has always been an inability to stay healthy and I for one blame a lot of this on his size. Height isn't the only issue for this. The issue is the combination of extreme height for the position with a very light frame. A long skinny bone breaks easier than a short, thick bone...

A year later (a.k.a now) Exum measured in 20 lbs heavier at the combine (at 18 years old!) than Livingston. So Exum essentially has a young SG body with PG skills.

This is why I no longer worry about his height. It is all about health for me, not impact on playing style.

Every player is at risk for injury but look at extremely long / tall yet relatively skinny (for their height) players like Livingston and Yao. Injuries seem to follow them more so than other players.


1st off nice avi.

2nd Livingston was not injury prone until that 1 gruesome injury. In fact, he was just turning into a star until he went up n that keg went the wrong way.i guess u could blame that injury on his frame but I remember seeing it live when it happened it looked like a freak injury to me n it was a shame cuz like I said he was in his way to becoming special. If Exum is Livingston minus the injures I'll be damn happy to have him on our team.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#544 » by OrlandO » Sun Jun 1, 2014 2:31 am

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Orlwillbeback wrote:I hate this argument. How can a player's exceptional size for a position be looked at as a negative? Especially when they bring everything else to the table. Livingston didnt handle or move as quick as exum and was more lithe, that is more attributable to his never living up to his 4th selection than some superstitious assumption about being "too tall" to play pg.

Is there is a certain cut off where a point guard is too tall to be considered a true point guard? Mcw seemed pretty decent his rookie year.


The Shaun Livingston comparison was one I worried about early in this past season when we first started really talking about this draft class. Livingston is a nice player. His problem has always been an inability to stay healthy and I for one blame a lot of this on his size. Height isn't the only issue for this. The issue is the combination of extreme height for the position with a very light frame. A long skinny bone breaks easier than a short, thick bone...

A year later (a.k.a now) Exum measured in 20 lbs heavier at the combine (at 18 years old!) than Livingston. So Exum essentially has a young SG body with PG skills.

This is why I no longer worry about his height. It is all about health for me, not impact on playing style.

Every player is at risk for injury but look at extremely long / tall yet relatively skinny (for their height) players like Livingston and Yao. Injuries seem to follow them more so than other players.


1st off nice avi.

2nd Livingston was not injury prone until that 1 gruesome injury. In fact, he was just turning into a star until he went up n that keg went the wrong way.i guess u could blame that injury on his frame but I remember seeing it live when it happened it looked like a freak injury to me n it was a shame cuz like I said he was in his way to becoming special. If Exum is Livingston minus the injures I'll be damn happy to have him on our team.

Actually, he had numerous injuries, including a major injury to his other knee, that kept him out for chunks of his first two seasons. Also, he showed potential, but I wouldn't say he was "turning into a star" at all.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#545 » by Bensational » Sun Jun 1, 2014 2:46 am

Devin 1L wrote:
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Devin 1L wrote:For as long as I can recall --like 10 years-- this board has been obsessed with getting a really tall point guard.

Why?


For me personally

I was always taught (as well as have heard on TV/radio) that height and wingspan are 2 of the greatest advantages that you cannot reach. It's actually an unfair advantage as long as the person is a decent worker. Dante as a PG at that size is awesome. Imagine being able to see over the defense of every pick and roll. In my opinion, size can nullify skill in some instances.

Jason Collins guarding Dwight in the second ATL series.
Klay Thompson on Chris Paul this season.


Yeah, I guess.

I mean it sounds good in theory, and in some specific circumstances, but if we look historically, who are all the great tall point guards?


if you look specifically through the lens of "PG", you might not find many. i've raised this point a few times, but there isn't much difference between a star PG and a star SG/SF playmaker.

Magic, Jordan, Pippen, Penny, Kobe, Tmac, VC, Pierce, Allen, LeBron, Wade, Durant, etc etc.

Apart from moving the ball up the court, there's not much that these guys didn't/don't do that a PG does. they initiate offenses and they create plays. They all range from 6'4-6'9, and their skills coupled with their height and athleticism has certainly been what allows them to have their way with defenders who generally aren't exposed to players of that caliber. It's the equivalent of a SF trying to guard a PG every night, and the average SF doesn't have the experience against players who move as nimbly as a PG does.

and if you've got someone of that caliber and size at PG, then whilst most PGs are used to defending guys with advanced dexterity, they're not used to defending guys who have the longer strides that come with extra height, or contesting shots that are now going to be shot roughly 6 inches higher than on average.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#546 » by SEBAS-07 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 4:54 am

I dont understand why Exum supporters are giving such high importance to those agility numbers. Smart weights at least 30 pounds more than Exum and the differences were almost negligible. In my opinion, strictly athletically Smart is superior.
Smart / Micic / D. Wright
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Post#547 » by MagicFan32 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 5:07 am

those differences are not negligible, a tenth of a second can be the difference between a layup, and getting your shot blocked, or a help defender being able to get a hand on the ball
aol4532 on bill russell
I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.
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Post#548 » by OrlandO » Sun Jun 1, 2014 5:18 am

SEBAS-07 wrote:I dont understand why Exum supporters are giving such high importance to those agility numbers. Smart weights at least 30 pounds more than Exum and the differences were almost negligible. In my opinion, strictly athletically Smart is superior.

and Exum is nearly 3 inches taller...
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Post#549 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 1, 2014 10:13 am

Smart compares more to a Westbrook. Except Westbrook is 1/4 taller but Smart has 1 1/2 more wingspan. Plus Smart has 30 pounds on Westbrook.
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Post#550 » by cedric76 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 10:26 am

I m torned between exum/Smart

But there is no doubt in my mind that is the surest thing in this draft, not parker.
Smart might not have the highest ceiling but he has the highest floor by miles
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Post#551 » by Bensational » Sun Jun 1, 2014 11:10 am

As long as Smart gets to start wherever he ends up, he'll win ROTY, for sure. I honestly feel like in the end the difference between him, Parker, Embiid and Exum will be like the difference between Wade, Melo and Bosh. All amazing players who could be a top 2 player on a championship team. That's just a gut feeling.
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Post#552 » by cedric76 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 11:29 am

Bensational wrote:As long as Smart gets to start wherever he ends up, he'll win ROTY, for sure. I honestly feel like in the end the difference between him, Parker, Embiid and Exum will be like the difference between Wade, Melo and Bosh. All amazing players who could be a top 2 player on a championship team. That's just a gut feeling.


This is why saying bpa is so relative, I don't think the gap between to top 5 players is that deep.

I want smart here, we need his fire and leadership, who will provide that on our team

Dipo has fire but he is quiet
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Post#553 » by T12 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 11:51 am

cedric76 wrote:
Bensational wrote:As long as Smart gets to start wherever he ends up, he'll win ROTY, for sure. I honestly feel like in the end the difference between him, Parker, Embiid and Exum will be like the difference between Wade, Melo and Bosh. All amazing players who could be a top 2 player on a championship team. That's just a gut feeling.


This is why saying bpa is so relative, I don't think the gap between to top 5 players is that deep.

I want smart here, we need his fire and leadership, who will provide that on our team

Dipo has fire but he is quiet


dipo was a rookie...he is absolutely a locker room leadership type of a guy down the road. no question.
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Post#554 » by Nyce_1 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 11:51 am

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Bensational wrote:As long as Smart gets to start wherever he ends up, he'll win ROTY, for sure. I honestly feel like in the end the difference between him, Parker, Embiid and Exum will be like the difference between Wade, Melo and Bosh. All amazing players who could be a top 2 player on a championship team. That's just a gut feeling.


This is why saying bpa is so relative, I don't think the gap between to top 5 players is that deep.

I want smart here, we need his fire and leadership, who will provide that on our team

Dipo has fire but he is quiet

Who's the vocal leader on the Spurs?
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Post#555 » by cedric76 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 12:24 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Bensational wrote:As long as Smart gets to start wherever he ends up, he'll win ROTY, for sure. I honestly feel like in the end the difference between him, Parker, Embiid and Exum will be like the difference between Wade, Melo and Bosh. All amazing players who could be a top 2 player on a championship team. That's just a gut feeling.


This is why saying bpa is so relative, I don't think the gap between to top 5 players is that deep.

I want smart here, we need his fire and leadership, who will provide that on our team

Dipo has fire but he is quiet

Who's the vocal leader on the Spurs?


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Post#556 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 1, 2014 1:59 pm

cedric76 wrote:I m torned between exum/Smart

But there is no doubt in my mind that is the surest thing in this draft, not parker.
Smart might not have the highest ceiling but he has the highest floor by miles


I think Exum has the biggest floor.
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Post#557 » by cedric76 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 4:12 pm

basketballRob wrote:
cedric76 wrote:I m torned between exum/Smart

But there is no doubt in my mind that is the surest thing in this draft, not parker.
Smart might not have the highest ceiling but he has the highest floor by miles


I think Exum has the biggest floor.


How can he has a bigger floor than Smart, if Smart is much better than him at the present time??

I don't mind people saying that exum has an higher ceiling but floor?? Come on. Exum hype is getting out of control.
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Post#558 » by OrlChamps2030 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 6:19 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:Not sure if this was posted yet, but here's a new (I think) youtube highlight mix for Exum. I've never seen some of this footage and was a bit impressed with some of his moves.I personally like the move he pulled at 3:13. Definitely see more of the combo guard skills in him, and that's fantastic to me.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x90-ooMTzk4[/youtube]

Sorry if the video was already posted.

Woah a lot of footage that I havent seen before. Going to add this video to the OP later when im on my laptop thanks for posting!

That quickness, fluidity, and body control :o
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Post#559 » by OrlandO » Sun Jun 1, 2014 9:04 pm

Bensational wrote:As long as Smart gets to start wherever he ends up, he'll win ROTY, for sure. I honestly feel like in the end the difference between him, Parker, Embiid and Exum will be like the difference between Wade, Melo and Bosh. All amazing players who could be a top 2 player on a championship team. That's just a gut feeling.

I think Parker in Milwaukee would have a better chance to win ROTY...
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Post#560 » by Orlwillbeback » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:25 am

Why is exum looked at as a project? If anyone is a project in this draft, it is wiggins, Lavine and capela.

Exum has skills that are ready to go.

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