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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 10/In-Season Tournament Game 1: Orlando Magic (5-4) at Brooklyn Nets (5-5) - 7:30pm 

Post#541 » by davey_wavy » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:01 am

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davey_wavy wrote:Said before and I'll say it again - Picking Jett at 11 was absurd. Total waste
You can't be serious....

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Dead ass serious since the night we made the pick
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 10/In-Season Tournament Game 1: Orlando Magic (5-4) at Brooklyn Nets (5-5) - 7:30pm 

Post#542 » by Redwood » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:02 am

KillMonger wrote:Bottom line this team doesn't know how to play with a lead

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Can't play with a lead.

Playing poorly in the second half of games.

What do these two things hint at? Poor coaching. Coaches make adjustments at halftime and when their team is losing. Mosley is getting outcoached, simple as that. Other teams are making adjustments and he's not responding to them. This in addition to the fact that this roster is assembled terribly and has basically no veteran leadership (nobody that has any kind of playoff or championship pedigree at least), and the poor performance isn't a surprise. Young players are inconsistent, when they're having an off night we don't really have any kind of stabilizing presence to offset it. If both Cole and Suggs shoot poorly on the same night we're going to lose nearly all of those games, and that's going to happen a lot. This roster is basically a Mr. Potatohead fully assembled by a drunk four year old.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 10/In-Season Tournament Game 1: Orlando Magic (5-4) at Brooklyn Nets (5-5) - 7:30pm 

Post#543 » by richi_v25 » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:03 am

ibraheim718 wrote:I didn't see it as that bad of a performance. They were in control of that game. I think they lost when Suggs had to sub out early in the 3rd because of that injury and when they had to play that stretch of basketball without P5 and Wagner.

They had big issues defending their ball penetration off the PnR. Their guards were going straight at Goga. It was a concerted effort for the ball handler to attack him.



Felt like Suggs was carrying us to the promise land big then he got hurt but he should have just taken the rest of the night off. Super glad he's ok enough to play bc we love getting injured and I'd hate to lose him.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 10/In-Season Tournament Game 1: Orlando Magic (5-4) at Brooklyn Nets (5-5) - 7:30pm 

Post#544 » by Knightro » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:03 am

Bensational wrote:Hush now. You spent all offseason calling him a PG and using that as justification to get Fultz off the team. He just doesn’t play PG in whatever strange way you seem to think point is played.

Paolo and Franz need to be able to dominate a game between them consistently. Bringing in someone else to take the load off them would mean they’re not franchise player caliber and it’s too early for that distinction.


My desire to have Fultz off the team is completely independent of what Black is or isn't right now as a teenage rookie playing in his 8th career NBA game. I want Fultz gone because what he provides isn't what the Magic (or really any team) needs out of their starting point guard spot.

And the bolded above is literally one of the silliest things you've ever said, and that's saying a lot.

Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner are fantastic young players each with ceilings a mile high... but neither one of them are point guards and neither one of them are ever going to be point guards.

Both of them would benefit tremendously from having a guard in the backcourt who can actually create offense for others and himself.

Suggs isn't that guy. He provides a ton of value defensively and from a hustle/energy/effort perspective, but he's not a point guard.

Cole isn't that guy. He can create offense for himself in a bench capacity, but he can't create for others.

Black right now isn't that guy. Maybe he can develop into it down the road, but right now he's providing value in more ways like Suggs than a point guard.

The mere suggestion that bringing someone else in to take on playmaking responsibilities would be some sort of referendum on Paolo/Franz's ceilings is pure nonsense. It really is.
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Post#545 » by MasterGMer » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:04 am

Our guards are 8 for 26 from 3s tonight, including Joe Ingles 3 for 3.

IMO the momentum totally shifted in the 4th Q when we played Suggs as the PG. Not enough offense. Plus if I were Coach Mo, I'd play Joe Ingles a lot more. He had 4 assists tonight again.

But to look at the stats, one of our biggest advantages coming into tonights game is Points in the Paint, we were 36 to 52.

Another thing is rebounding, and that is 37 to 44. Offensive rebound is 9 to 13. Plus Claxton was in foul trouble.

Fast break points is 7 to 31. SEVEN to THIRTY ONE!!

One last thing is our defense. We let them shot 48.7% from the 3 point land and 54.1% FG percentage.

We got to the foul line and shot 35 FTs against the Bucks and tonight we only shot 21 FTs.

Not even one stats went our way and our biggest success tonight was NOT

That is why we lost the game!
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Post#546 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:04 am

Mosley always has to have either one of Banchero or Wagner in the game at all times. That I will fault him for tonight.
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Post#547 » by Husky1 » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:06 am

Didnt Anthony Parker get a promotion in the FO? we need to pray he likes shooting cos we need him to twist Welthams arm. This is malpractice from them. We will waste Paolo and Boogies cheap contract years if we do not address it. It has been a more painful start than the 5-20 last year in my books, at least then we saw Paolo and Franz show out while we were short handed. We look worse this year. And it is all down to spacing!! Cole was **** awful tonight. Has been all year bar 2 maybe 3 games. Learn how to protect the frickin ball man
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Post#548 » by Last Guardian » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:07 am

JojoSlimbiid wrote:On another note. Ingles played his first decent individual game.


He's toast. This guy can barely move or dribble under any sort of pressure.
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Post#549 » by SOUL » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:09 am

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KillMonger wrote:Bottom line this team doesn't know how to play with a lead

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Can't play with a lead.

Playing poorly in the second half of games.

What do these two things hint at? Poor coaching. Coaches make adjustments at halftime and when their team is losing. Mosley is getting outcoached, simple as that. Other teams are making adjustments and he's not responding to them. This in addition to the fact that this roster is assembled terribly and has basically no veteran leadership (nobody that has any kind of playoff or championship pedigree at least), and the poor performance isn't a surprise. Young players are inconsistent, when they're having an off night we don't really have any kind of stabilizing presence to offset it. If both Cole and Suggs shoot poorly on the same night we're going to lose nearly all of those games, and that's going to happen a lot. This roster is basically a Mr. Potatohead fully assembled by a drunk four year old.


You just blamed coaching and then just said our team is young and the roster is poorly constructed, those opinions don't really jive with each other.

Also it's a whirlwind to hear how good he's doing from our posters one game (as well as other coaches and analysts), then our team full of non-shooters misses shots, we lose, and suddenly our coach doesn't know how to will our players to make shots they should be making.
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Post#550 » by davey_wavy » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:09 am

With $$ on the line, thought we get more out of MO and Boogie. Those dudes been trying to move out of 55 West for 2 years
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Post#551 » by KillMonger » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:10 am

davey_wavy wrote:
KillMonger wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:Said before and I'll say it again - Picking Jett at 11 was absurd. Total waste
You can't be serious....

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Dead ass serious since the night we made the pick
OK well I guess that's where you stand..... Me personally there is way too small of a sample to make any definitive assessment.... I'm going to give the kid more than a 4 minute stint coming off the bench cold in the 4th quarter after racking up DNPs

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Post#552 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:11 am

Husky1 wrote:Didnt Anthony Parker get a promotion in the FO? we need to pray he likes shooting cos we need him to twist Welthams arm. This is malpractice from them. We will waste Paolo and Boogies cheap contract years if we do not address it. It has been a more painful start than the 5-20 last year in my books, at least then we saw Paolo and Franz show out while we were short handed. We look worse this year. And it is all down to spacing!! Cole was **** awful tonight. Has been all year bar 2 maybe 3 games. Learn how to protect the frickin ball man


The Nets hit 3 more 3's. That's 9 points. They lost by 20.
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Post#553 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:12 am

There is going to be some lumps for this young team but that one welts.

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Post#554 » by MasterGMer » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:13 am

KillMonger wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
KillMonger wrote:You can't be serious....

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Dead ass serious since the night we made the pick
OK well I guess that's where you stand..... Me personally there is way too small of a sample to make any definitive assessment.... I'm going to give the kid more than a 4 minute stint coming off the bench cold in the 4th quarter after racking up DNPs

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I honestly like the Jett pick. He is the guy that comes in with more rounded skills than Grady Dick. I think Jett can be a good shooter. But in his limited meaningful minutes, he has to show up to earn minutes.
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Post#555 » by TheChaser » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:13 am

Just got off work and saw the score. What the hell was that? We looked alright when I checked at halftime.
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Post#556 » by KillMonger » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:13 am

Last Guardian wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:On another note. Ingles played his first decent individual game.


He's toast. This guy can barely move or dribble under any sort of pressure.
We should get him shooting more but man.... Watching him struggle to chase players around us tough to watch.... I'd rather him just guard the PF

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Post#557 » by eyriq » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:14 am

A blowout in our first playoff-light game. Bummer.
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Post#558 » by Knightro » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:15 am

Spencer Dinwiddie had 29 points, 9 assists and made 5 threes tonight.

The Magic don't have a guard on their roster that could put up those numbers in 2 games combined. Maybe not even in 3 games combined.

They need a lead guard in the worst way. Not to take the ball *away* from Paolo and Franz, but to help those get even better by creating easier shots for them and everyone else.

Trying to consistently score points with your 3 and 4 initiating every set is not a recipe for long-term success. And that's especially the case when you don't have knockdown shooters at the 1, 2 or 5 either.
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Post#559 » by Redwood » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:16 am

Husky1 wrote:Didnt Anthony Parker get a promotion in the FO? we need to pray he likes shooting cos we need him to twist Welthams arm. This is malpractice from them. We will waste Paolo and Boogies cheap contract years if we do not address it. It has been a more painful start than the 5-20 last year in my books, at least then we saw Paolo and Franz show out while we were short handed. We look worse this year. And it is all down to spacing!! Cole was **** awful tonight. Has been all year bar 2 maybe 3 games. Learn how to protect the frickin ball man


Cole is just not a good basketball player. He can get hot and pile up points in a hurry, at times. But he's good at absolutely nothing else. He's a liability and even though his extension is reasonable (by today's standards), I wish it never happened. His only contribution is as a streaky shooter and there are no shortage of those guys in the basketball world. He's careless with the ball, he looks for his shot first almost always even if that means it's a bad one, and he provides zero defense. A few years ago when I played fantasy basketball on ESPN, the little blurb they had on him was "he's the most irrationally confident shooter in the NBA"..or something along those lines....and that's exactly correct. He's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is and I'm sick of waiting for him to realize this.
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Post#560 » by VFX » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:16 am

thelead wrote:Coach doesn't give a **** about the tournament rules


Not sure if I do or don’t like that.

Either way it was probably stupid considering it means something at all.

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