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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#561 » by Cigamodnalro » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:52 pm

RookieStar wrote:PSSSSTTT BS is a tool. He reads this board and gets his insider info



This is true, btw.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#562 » by RookieStar » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:53 pm

PigsEatHam wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
pokerfan12 wrote:@rookiestar

That's right after all dwights intro to the league was being on a poster of a dunk. and last time I checked Bynum was no defensive stopper.


Yup not saying Brooke will, just that the alternative means reliving the Grant Hill era. Don't tell me majority here is willing to undergo that again? What's even worse is the guy we are putting our hopes for and wanting to play isn't as classy as Hill.... heck exact opposite of Grant


Hill, who was so classy as to kill our salary cap for seven years, and then when finally healthy, head off to what he thought was greener pastures in Phoenix. I don't hate the man--and he isn't a dirty player like Bynum--but it's not as though he has some powerful streak of loyalty in him.


To be fair, we found out about the douche move only AFTER his contract was up. During the entire time he was with us.... we didn't even suspect a thing
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#563 » by davngab » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:54 pm

Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA 33 sec Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
The reasoning behind the Lakers pulling out "the price was getting way too high" -- would have little left after the deal but Kobe & Paul


they'll have nothing left if they deal for dwight!
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#564 » by MitchellUK » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:54 pm

Wait, that Schmitz tweet just him thinking out loud (or thinking other people's thoughts out loud) or is he suggesting that this is something Orlando are working on?
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#565 » by PigsEatHam » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:54 pm

@MagicInsider Brian Schmitz
Magic envision new post-Howard starting lineup of Chris Paul, Andrew Bynum, Jason Richardson, Jameer Nelson and Big Baby Davis.


Envisioning a starting lineup with two point-guards? Gee, sounds like BS to me.
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Post#566 » by RookieStar » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:54 pm

Cigamodnalro wrote:
RookieStar wrote:PSSSSTTT BS is a tool. He reads this board and gets his insider info



This is true, btw.


Yeah besides, you see his lineup? Jammer and cp3 together in the backcourt? WTF? Midget basketball anyone?
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#567 » by PigsEatHam » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:57 pm

RookieStar wrote:To be fair, we found out about the douche move only AFTER his contract was up. During the entire time he was with us.... we didn't even suspect a thing


That's true. While under contract, he played the company man perfectly.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#568 » by RickB-Orlando » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:00 pm

Howard Mass wrote:Chris Paul would not resign here if Dwight wasn't here.

On a potential Bynum/Gasol/Picks/filler for Dwight and bad contracts deal................

It would probably be the best deal and one of them could be flipped for youth and picks.

However, I would not do the deal because it's The Lakers.


Emotionally I have to agree, but in business you try to set aside emotion and make what is objectively the best decision possible.

At this point from the sound of it there are really two deals on the table:
NJ sends Lopez + 2 first rounders
LA sends Gasol and Bynum.
I am guessing that LA is prepared to also take on Hedo in return for the trade exception they got in the Odom trade (though I am admittedly not certain the salaries match enough to do so).

From a talent perspective the LA deal is a better one, but that assumes Bynum is healthy. I'm not so sure of that, he scares me as an injury prone player. Lopez on the other hand will play 80 games per year.

If NJ can get another team involved and somehow adds another good player to the deal, I'd prefer to see that route.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#570 » by BelgianMagic » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:04 pm

In Bynum's defense, they did say he worked really hard during the summer ..

He'll always be injury-prone, but you also gotta admit he's the 2nd best C in the league WHEN HEALTHY
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#571 » by Bensational » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:10 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:In Bynum's defense, they did say he worked really hard during the summer ..

He'll always be injury-prone, but you also gotta admit he's the 2nd best C in the league WHEN HEALTHY


so did Gil...
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Post#572 » by MagicFan32 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:11 pm

STRAP IN?

Paul/Bynum would be a damn good combo, Paul could turn Bynum into a 24 PPG guy....
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Post#573 » by J-Mezzy » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:15 pm

I rather do a 3 team deal involving Houston and get Bynum, Scola, and Marint here and let Houston Get Gasol,
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#574 » by Bensational » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:18 pm

MitchellUK wrote:Personally, I've no interest in getting back mediocre talent for Dwight and treading water as a 7th or 8th seed for a couple of years before the front office decides it's finally time to blow it up. I wouldn't want any established players other than those with expiring contracts, if Dwight's on his way. I'd be calling up the Clippers and asking them for this deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7go2koj

Plus Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first rounder and (if we can squeeze it out of them) a couple of other picks. Gives us two decent enough young prospects in Aminu and Bledsoe, cap relief from Kaman's (who we could at some point look to flip for picks or other prospects from playoff teams wanting a center), and also two terrific shots at a top three pick in next years draft (because we will definitely be lotto bound, and so will Minnesota). We'd have solid prospects at PG and SF, and a couple of shots to add one or even two of Drummond, Sullinger, Lamb and Davis.

We'd be in a terrific situation to build quickly from the ground up. Contending teams will likely be very interested in people like Jason Richardson, JJ Redick, Meer and Big Baby if we started clearing house, depending on their needs, giving us the chance to acquire more picks, youth or trade exceptions.

I reckon the Clippers would be willing to do it, because they get a shot at Dwight Howard without touching any of their key young players, Griffin, Jordan or Gordon.


i'd want to ship BBD out, play our young guys, tank and go for high picks. it's the best way to find that next superstar.

Kaman
Anderson/Harper
Aminu/Q
JJ/Liggins
Nelson/Bledsoe/Duhon

you add in 2 high picks (Orl + Min) and we should be able to build up OKC style.

we'd be pretty safely under the cap for 2 more seasons, and could make a run at some big FA's in 2 years.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#575 » by BelgianMagic » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:21 pm

We could also do a 4-team deal based on the dead CP3 deal;

- Those players going from Houston to NOH still go to NOH
- Dwight&Hedo to LAL
- Gasol to HOU
- CP3&Bynum to ORL
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#576 » by CourtsideTV » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:22 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:We could also do a 4-team deal based on the dead CP3 deal;

- Those players going from Houston to NOH still go to NOH
- Dwight&Hedo to LAL
- Gasol to HOU
- CP3&Bynum to ORL



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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#577 » by J-Mezzy » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:23 pm

I don't see the point of trading Howard away if we get Paul.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#578 » by BelgianMagic » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:25 pm

J-Mezzy wrote:I don't see the point of trading Howard away if we get Paul.

Cause in order to get Paul, we'd have to trade Dwight ..

CP/JRich/?/Davis/Bynum could be a good team. Seeing the situation, if both CP&Bynum re-sign, we could even make this a championship team
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Post#579 » by J-Mezzy » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:27 pm

I don't think that Bynum is enough to convince Paul to re-sign.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part V) NEW S 

Post#580 » by CourtsideTV » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:27 pm

that woudl be hilarious if we got cp/bynum and made it to the finals against the lakers and win.
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