Game 13: Dallas Mavericks (2-9) @ Orlando Magic (5-7)- Worst FG%'s Collide!

[OrlandoDream]

I envisioned this team having early offensive difficulties, but didn't think the chemistry or getting along was going to be a problem. They need to settle this, trade some people or this season is going down the gutter. Toxic locker room affects the whole team. Settle it.

[NBAchamps2017]

Was at the game tonight and sat close to the Magic bench. This was interesting. I saw an argument between Ibaka and Green. Green told Ibaka to pass the ball, Ibaka said he did, Green said, "you shoot all the time." Biyombo came in yelling saying we are all in this together and not to act like little kids. Brought everyone together. AG was shaking his head in agreement. Payton stared at floor entire time. I took some curse words out. The very next offensive play was that Jeff Green Poster.

Jeff green needs to shut his mouth and work on trying not to be such a meteokre basketball player. The last person on this team that needs to be demanding the ball is Jeff freaking green. Good for Biyombo though, he's been the pulse of this team so far this season && it's good to hear him taking on a leadership role.

Egos on this team are not going to work though. For this team to succeed they are going to need to play near perfect team oriented basketball. There can't be guys demanding the ball or trying to take on star roles because there are no stars on this team nor any guys that can handle big scoring loads. We are going to have to be very selfless if we're going to even think about the playoffs. The ball movement is going to have to get better and they're going to have to come together as a team.

I don't mind having guys get on each other, but at the end of the day, they can't actually dislike each other as teammates or this is going to get ugly. Even more than it's already been.

That's what happen when you take players on a one year contract. One will be looking for the next season. Green and Ibaka will be demanding for the ball each and every possession. Can be a good thing or bad. Stay tuned!

[NBAchamps2017]

Props to DJ and BB for bringing the W today. Dallas now the worst scoring team at 30th place, Magic is the 29th

[drsd]

Orlando is in a playoff slot !!!!

[drsd]

I am so happy.



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[drsd]

Frank Vogel's "beach tan" is awful. He looks like a tanning bed failure, for tonight.


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[Bensational]

The Payton and Fournier dynamic on the court is troubling. These two seem to be counter acting each other on offense. Fournier tries to play like the point guard when Payton is on the court but plays traditional SG when DJ is there.

DJ is killing the pick and roll game and Id be willing to play him and Fournier together more so Fournier stops driving almost all together and get him and Payton separated.

Payton and Gordon look depressed all night.

I'm with you. I actually think DJ could emerge as our go to scorer if slotted into the starting lineup. He'd keep Fournier in check and put him back in his box, he'd work the PnR well with both Biyombo and Ibaka, and he's great at either scoring from deep or at the rim and not wasting too many attempts from the mid range.

We gotta separate Vuc and Fournier, too, because they (mostly Fournier) ice out the rest of the team when they play their two man game.

Biz
Ibaka
Green
Fournier
DJ

Vuc
Rudez
Gordon
Mario
Payton

If we could upgrade on Green and Rudez, we could have a really solid balance between units.

[zelenooq]

Can someone explain why Mario can't sniff the court against this terrible team if every player not named Biz is playing like garbage?

It must be something personal
It's only logic thing about it

[zuppafly]

Fell asleep during the third.
By reading the last pages I am happy I did!

[pepe1991]

Can someone explain why Mario can't sniff the court against this terrible team if every player not named Biz is playing like garbage?

It must be something personal
It's only logic thing about it

Knowing that there was already reports about Magic players don't getting along,along with this Green vs Ibaka thing i think that somebody is pissed at Mario because he said or did something to " chosen ones " probably Ibaka,Evan and Vučević since they are treated like holly cows. I mean Vučević is one of least effective Cs in nba, and he is "offensive" center who can't defend and yet here he is,still starts, on 41% FG, not shooting 3s

[npiper17]

The problem in our re-build is we didn't put ourselves in the best position to win.

Just look at the Sixers that did a remarkable job with tanking. They have possibly at least 2 franchise cornerstones in Embiid and Simmons.

And I believe prior to last year, our total W-L record the past three years were not that far off.

There's a number of things that's been wrong with the rebuild - player development, inability to find dleague / second round talent, poor coaching (to name a few) - but the Sixers picked Embiid one pick from Orlando and managed to win the lottery last year.

Imagine if 2013 had been a better draft or if the Magic had been able to draft Porzingis in 2014 (remember he was roundly booed by the same Knicks fans who now worship the ground he walks on so his star potential certainly was no given at the time he was drafted). Luck does come into it as I'm sure other teams were saying when our 1 in 66 chance came in back in 1993.

One pick away is still a big difference.

Imagine Wiggins, Parker and Embiid then the next talent suddenly drops to AG.

Again, we didnt put ourselves in the best position to win the lottery. Thats the problem.

So what you're basically arguing is that the Magic should have tried to lose even more games than they did in 12-13, 13-14 and 14-15 even though they won a grand total of 21, 23 and 25 games over those seasons?

You realise the Cavs won the Wiggins lottery with a better record than the Magic?

I'm sorry but I disagree that the biggest problem with this rebuild has been not losing enough games. And I actually don't think the talent level drop off from Wiggins, Parker and Embiid to Gordon is that great. Often it's what you do with players once you have drafted them and that's where this rebuild has gone wrong (along with the other areas I listed above).

[Bergmaniac]

Such a hilarious game to watch. So many dumb plays and silly turnovers.

I really don't understand Vogel's offensive plan. Why are we trying to go for post-ups so often? Ibaka is constantly asking for the ball in the post as if he's Shaq. Then he forces some really tough hook shot or a fadeaway. He can get an easier shot with a simple pick and pop. Not only we are shooting a pretty bad percentage on post-ups as a team (41.1%), we also are by far the worst team in the league at drawing fouls when our players post up. Yet we go for it even in transition way too much.

Why don't we ever run some screening action for Fournier off the ball to get him good looks? He is a great catch and shoot player, he should be used that way a lot, not having him go inside all the time and forcing tough shots.

Credit to Biz and DJ, they won us the game.

[Mc-o]

Can someone explain why Mario can't sniff the court against this terrible team if every player not named Biz is playing like garbage?

It must be something personal
It's only logic thing about it

Knowing that there was already reports about Magic players don't getting along,along with this Green vs Ibaka thing i think that somebody is pissed at Mario because he said or did something to " chosen ones " probably Ibaka,Evan and Vučević since they are treated like holly cows. I mean Vučević is one of least effective Cs in nba, and he is "offensive" center who can't defend and yet here he is,still starts, on 41% FG, not shooting 3s

And Mario still cant earn minutes ! The fact that he can't get playing time is on him .

[Orlwillbeback]

I'll believe that Philadelphia is set for the future once they actually get out of the gutter. I am not sold on either Simmons or Embiid. Embiid obviously is talented but his injuries obviously hamper him.

Simmons seems to me like the next MCW.

[Magic_Johnny12]

We're a Bledsoe trade away to actually being a competitive serious playoff team. As much as our wings suck I truly don't think that is the issue as seen yesterday with Augustine taking over.

[pepe1991]

We're a Bledsoe trade away to actually being a competitive serious playoff team. As much as our wings suck I truly don't think that is the issue as seen yesterday with Augustine taking over.

Yea i mean we are just one Durant and Curry away from contending.

[Magic_Johnny12]

We're a Bledsoe trade away to actually being a competitive serious playoff team. As much as our wings suck I truly don't think that is the issue as seen yesterday with Augustine taking over.

Yea i mean we are just one Durant and Curry away from contending.

Sorry I don't quite get the correlation.

Morning humor I'm assuming?

[pepe1991]

We're a Bledsoe trade away to actually being a competitive serious playoff team. As much as our wings suck I truly don't think that is the issue as seen yesterday with Augustine taking over.

Yea i mean we are just one Durant and Curry away from contending.

Sorry I don't quite get the correlation.

Morning humor I'm assuming?

He is great, but Suns have no reason to trade him, unlike Brandon Knight.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Yea i mean we are just one Durant and Curry away from contending.

Sorry I don't quite get the correlation.

Morning humor I'm assuming?

He is great, but Suns have no reason to trade him, unlike Brandon Knight.

Sure they do.

- They're tanking
- He doesn't fit the age range of their current young core
- His trade value will go down each game with his injury concerns
- Payton will actually look great next to Booker

Just to name a few.

[RobHennigan]

this is why biyombo needs to be our gm

If this comment gets any more and1's I'll ship him off to Brooklyn for a bag of balls! We're the eighth seed! All hail the chief!