Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[Magic_Johnny12]

if we did something like this, we should give the OKC pick, not our own pick

Nets say no. would you counter offer our 2020 first rounder top 10 protected? I think the accept that. We would just use the OKC pick so we still have a first rounder in 2020

how do you know the Nets say no? they are obviously banking on Dinwiddie, and they dont want that cap hold.

Agreed. No one is giving up a future FRP with such low protections for a RFA that not a superstar. We are not that good enough and not close to actually contending to do such things.

I think the OKC pick plus possibly Clevlands SRP next draft should suffice, now even more that the OKC pick looks to convey.

Simmons
'20 FRP (via OKC)
'19 SRP (via Cleveland)

for

Russell

This moves grant to where he belongs (third unit) and gives us the first real look of our team with a capable and competent PG. If the stars align with Russell leading the group we could make a serious second half run and open a lot of eyes.

[Furinkazan]

Lol Nets aint trading Russell unless you give them Isaac propably.
Both Dinwiddie and Russell play well and they got a good rotation.
Its Like our AG situation last year.Nets are in the same situation.
They just cant afford to lose assets like Russ even if it didnt work for them(and it does work)
They aint chosing Dinwiddie over Russ.They simply choose to keep re-sign assets.Its a no brainer.
But I guess nobody can stop us dreaming.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Lol Nets aint trading Russell unless you give them Isaac propably.
Both Dinwiddie and Russell play well and they got a good rotation.
Its Like our AG situation last year.Nets are in the same situation.
They just cant afford to lose assets like Russ even if it didnt work for them(and it does work)
They aint chosing Dinwiddie over Russ.They simply choose to keep re-sign assets.Its a no brainer.
But I guess nobody can stop us dreaming.

So you believe they want to keep Russel's 20m+ cap hold and not maximize cap space to potentially lose out on bigger FA's because of it?

So you think they match an offer north of 70 million dollars?

It's not as simple as you may think my friend.

[OrlandO]

Lol Nets aint trading Russell unless you give them Isaac propably.
Both Dinwiddie and Russell play well and they got a good rotation.
Its Like our AG situation last year.Nets are in the same situation.
They just cant afford to lose assets like Russ even if it didnt work for them(and it does work)
They aint chosing Dinwiddie over Russ.They simply choose to keep re-sign assets.Its a no brainer.
But I guess nobody can stop us dreaming.

So you believe they want to keep Russel's 20m+ cap hold and not maximize cap space to potentially lose out on bigger FA's because of it?

So you think they match an offer north of 70 million dollars?

It's not as simple as you may think my friend.

It's the Nets... who are they spending cap space on??? Dlo. That's who. Besides, they can overpay for Dlo and they will still have a lot of money to spend on nobody. They got a lot of cap space this summer. If you want Dlo you probably have to offer near max... then maybe the Nets will back off. So the real question, imo, is do we want to near max Dlo??? I would not.

[tiderulz]

Nets say no. would you counter offer our 2020 first rounder top 10 protected? I think the accept that. We would just use the OKC pick so we still have a first rounder in 2020

how do you know the Nets say no? they are obviously banking on Dinwiddie, and they dont want that cap hold.

I don't know for sure but I think they would want more. My preference of course would be the OKC pick. If they say no would you walk away from the table or offer our 2020 pick ( top 10 protected). Im honeslty not sure. Id have to think about it. Could you explain the cap hold thing to me? im not clear on that

Brooklyn has a cap hold from Russell. if they do not renounce his rights, their salary cap next year has a hold for Russell (not exactly how it is determined, i think it is like 250% of his last years salary.) so Brooklyn would have a cap entry for Russell for about $18mil. IT is as if that salary is already on the books for next year. If they renounce him, it goes away, but then they lose bird rights and other exemptions to sign him (please other people correct me where im wrong, this isnt my strong suit). That cap hold stays on there until Russell signs with them for whatever amount or goes to another team. So unless Brooklyn wants to go into next summer without $18mil or so cap space, they would want to trade Russell and get anything for him now, unless they are planning on keeping him.

[tiderulz]

Nets say no. would you counter offer our 2020 first rounder top 10 protected? I think the accept that. We would just use the OKC pick so we still have a first rounder in 2020

how do you know the Nets say no? they are obviously banking on Dinwiddie, and they dont want that cap hold.

Agreed. No one is giving up a future FRP with such low protections for a RFA that not a superstar. We are not that good enough and not close to actually contending to do such things.

I think the OKC pick plus possibly Clevlands SRP next draft should suffice, now even more that the OKC pick looks to convey.

Simmons
'20 FRP (via OKC)
'19 SRP (via Cleveland)

for

Russell

This moves grant to where he belongs (third unit) and gives us the first real look of our team with a capable and competent PG. If the stars align with Russell leading the group we could make a serious second half run and open a lot of eyes.

albeit a bit of a chucker with little defense. The hope is that Clifford can work some "magic" like he did with Kemba

[tiderulz]

might see about a 2-3 yr deal with some team options on Bledsoe. He isnt a star, but he is capable and we can get a young guy in behind him.

[Magic_Johnny12]

how do you know the Nets say no? they are obviously banking on Dinwiddie, and they dont want that cap hold.

I don't know for sure but I think they would want more. My preference of course would be the OKC pick. If they say no would you walk away from the table or offer our 2020 pick ( top 10 protected). Im honeslty not sure. Id have to think about it. Could you explain the cap hold thing to me? im not clear on that

Brooklyn has a cap hold from Russell. if they do not renounce his rights, their salary cap next year has a hold for Russell (not exactly how it is determined, i think it is like 250% of his last years salary.) so Brooklyn would have a cap entry for Russell for about $18mil. IT is as if that salary is already on the books for next year. If they renounce him, it goes away, but then they lose bird rights and other exemptions to sign him (please other people correct me where im wrong, this isnt my strong suit). That cap hold stays on there until Russell signs with them for whatever amount or goes to another team. So unless Brooklyn wants to go into next summer without $18mil or so cap space, they would want to trade Russell and get anything for him now, unless they are planning on keeping him.

DING DING DING.

[OrlandO]

might see about a 2-3 yr deal with some team options on Bledsoe. He isnt a star, but he is capable and we can get a young guy in behind him.

Unless the Bucks can get Kemba or another upgrade I think they will just stick with Bledsoe as he is a very big part of their 3rd best record in the league.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Do you think that WeHam would go in full rebuild of Isaac and Bamba looked better? I think so.
I think part of reason why they are now cought in no man's land is because both picks are meh at best. (+ 3 second round scrubs) I don't see scenario where any of them ever becomes best player on good team or second best player on great team. They look like complimentary role players that still need somebody else to do all the heavy lifting on offense, and Gordon ( Vuc or Ross ) are not that ,but right now are closest thing to reliable offense.

If Isaac looks like Brandon Ingram did in second year ( or better ) ,16-17 ppg player on solid efficiency, that would make rest of roster movable. But he is 8 ppg player on poor shooting, Bamba is just body for now and tanking isn't that valuable any more as strategy.

Regardless of Vučević situation ,before they sign him or not, only way Magic can get better is via FA.

Bamba looks like a potential 20 point scorer and probably future all-star.

Or the next...


And let's not act like Bamba was a high draft pick and it can't happen, because BB was #8 pick playing in Europe. If he was playing in the NCAA he would go higher.

PS: Yes, I know that Bamba's hands are a little better than BB's.

Not even close dude. Bamba does things right now that Biyombo wishes he could do

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[Ducklett]

Bamba looks like a potential 20 point scorer and probably future all-star.

Or the next...


And let's not act like Bamba was a high draft pick and it can't happen, because BB was #8 pick playing in Europe. If he was playing in the NCAA he would go higher.

PS: Yes, I know that Bamba's hands are a little better than BB's.

Not even close dude. Bamba does things right now that Biyombo wishes he could do

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Bamba made more 3s in one game than Biyombo has hit in his entire life. But yeah, same player. Got your back fam.

[Nightman]

Lin is killing it in the 4th vs the Wizards right now. Rivers is trash but I’d love to have Lin on this team.

[InFlames]

I finally gave in and got an Isaac swingman blue throwback today.

[Optimus_Steel]

Year to remember for Vuc. Congrats.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

You know what’s depressing? Knowing that next year Zion, Barrett and all the top talent in the draft will be playing anywhere but in Orlando and we will be peddling the same team again with a minor tweak in starting PG.

[EAS Law]

You know what’s depressing? Knowing that next year Zion, Barrett and all the top talent in the draft will be playing anywhere but in Orlando and we will be peddling the same team again with a minor tweak in starting PG.

Only, every year it seems that *insert top college player* is this coveted savior—look at Fultz and how that worked out. We haven’t had a 1st overall pick since Dwight left. It isn’t like we’ve made some huge mistake by trying to finally put a competitive team out there with competent coaching.

Zion and Barrett both look great at their current level, but so did Ingram, Ball, Okafor, Fultz, etc.

Then you have guys like Giannis and Gobert, who were much deeper in the draft, one is talked about as the heir apparent to the “best in the league” title and the other has been a bonafide starter for years. Point being, let the chips fall where they may and see what you have.

[Magic_Johnny12]

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If 40 year old Ariza could get Oubre I know Ross could fetch something pretty.

[Def Swami]

I'd hate to lose Ross. He became my one of my favorite Magic players. Easily my favorite on this year's team. But he's expiring and if the Magic can turn him into a young guard with potential, then sure.

[drsd]

might see about a 2-3 yr deal with some team options on Bledsoe. He isnt a star, but he is capable and we can get a young guy in behind him.

Some 3-4 years ago, this board was excited about him, if I recall.

But why would the Bucks trade away their starting PG in a year they have title ambitions? That he's expiring means this is even harder to imagine.

Or are you thinking about signing him in the FA market next off-season? That is quite imaginable.

[drsd]

You know what’s depressing? Knowing that next year Zion, Barrett and all the top talent in the draft will be playing anywhere but in Orlando and we will be peddling the same team again with a minor tweak in starting PG.

Only, every year it seems that *insert top college player* is this coveted savior—look at Fultz and how that worked out. We haven’t had a 1st overall pick since Dwight left. It isn’t like we’ve made some huge mistake by trying to finally put a competitive team out there with competent coaching.

Zion and Barrett both look great at their current level, but so did Ingram, Ball, Okafor, Fultz, etc.

Then you have guys like Giannis and Gobert, who were much deeper in the draft, one is talked about as the heir apparent to the “best in the league” title and the other has been a bonafide starter for years. Point being, let the chips fall where they may and see what you have.

Right now I see Magic management prioritising making the playoffs this year.


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