Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[The Effect]

I have Kuminga as 5th best player BUT it wouldn't surprise me if weham have in 3rd best behind mobley\cade

I could see them looking at the team and thinking we are set in the backcourt with fultz\rj\cole\ross and will see that we have no depth at all at sf and will fall in love with JK potential and versatility.
I could see them thinking of him as this drafts Giannis or Siakem, both of which were drafted by weham

I'll be upset if we pass on green for kuminga but won't be surprised

[ucfmay2000]

Think about it this way.

If Kuminga had not reclassified and instead opted to go to college with his original draft class, he'd *still* be a younger freshman than Cunningham, Mobley, Suggs or Barnes were this year. That's how much younger he is than those guys.

He put up 16-7-3 as the youngest player in the G-League bubble. With his size and strength, what do you think he'd have done against weaker college competition with another year of experience under his belt?

It stands to reason that he'd have really dominated and likely positioned himself to go No. 1 overall in 2022.

He needs time. He needs patience. But thankfully those are two things the Magic clearly have at this point with no real pressure or expectation to be good anytime soon. The potential is certainly there for Kuminga to hit in a really big way.

If the Magic win the lottery and draft Cunningham, what do you think would be a fair trade to move up to #5 to then also take Kuminga?

I would think that Anthony, The Bulls pick, the 2023 Bulls pick, and the Denver pick could be enough.

There is roster imbalance and Harris would beed to be traded for "anything" before opening night.
But the young core that result is:
Fultz/Hampton
Cunningham
Isaac
Kuminga/Okeke
Carter/Bamba

There is a lot of good things that could be built around those 8 locked-in players.


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I would love to see it happened. That core will be set for many years to come.

[pepe1991]

well then, someone bettet posts videos about this match of Sengun against a top team then lol

6 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists
3-8 FG
0-2 for 3

+/- -24

Efes is another level when it comes to quality of competition, but still, best Efes players are Micic & Larkin, former nba bodies.

[PrimeThyme]

I just pray we get the first overall pick so that Weltman doesn’t have the chance to overthink it. If we end up 2nd or 3rd and draft Mobley I’m not sure I’ll be able to stomach games again next year due to the sheer amount of disappointment I’ll feel.

[ARandomStranger]

With the wing in the state it is, Green or Cunningham is the perfect player. Coming out of this draft with a Suggs or a Mobely would make me super depressed.

[RookieStar]

well then, someone bettet posts videos about this match of Sengun against a top team then lol

6 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists
3-8 FG
0-2 for 3

+/- -24

Efes is another level when it comes to quality of competition, but still, best Efes players are Micic & Larkin, former nba bodies.

wow. They put the clamps on him or was he just ineffective? How many minutes did he play?

[RookieStar]

With the wing in the state it is, Green or Cunningham is the perfect player. Coming out of this draft with a Suggs or a Mobely would make me super depressed.

With a recovering Fultz , you really comfortable with our floor-general being Horse-blinders-to-the-rim Cole and can't-shoot MCW only? Because Suggs would be perfect also for our needs more than Green. ( Obviously Cade fits both worlds of needs and wants )

[VFX]

I just pray we get the first overall pick so that Weltman doesn’t have the chance to overthink it. If we end up 2nd or 3rd and draft Mobley I’m not sure I’ll be able to stomach games again next year due to the sheer amount of disappointment I’ll feel.

Couldn’t agree more.

[Max Power]

Gotta agree on the Mobley sentiments. I’d like to see a Magic team where the 2/3 spots are the strength of the squad. I’m not interested in Mobley at all. I want Cade or Green with our higher pick if we can get them. If not I’ll gladly take Suggs or Kuminga. Here’s hoping we get 1 and the Bulls pick somehow skips to 5 and we can get those wing guys we’ve needed for years. I’d just assume roll with the bigs we have for one more year or maybe get some vets for up front.

[RookieStar]

BTW, like Killmonger posted a vid of Kuminga's ( I dunno workout? He looked like his yellow pants were for a nightclub ) time in Orlando. Where do we find vids like that of other draftees? Is there a rule that draft picks must be incommunicado leading to the draft? I would think if you are trying to raise your pick status at you would "leak" videos like that.. heck or even just at the gym showing you can bench-press 300lbs weights lol

[Def Swami]

I don't think the Mobley hate is rationale. That kid is an A1 prospect. He's solidly top 3 on almost all big boards. I feel like this hesitancy about Mobley is unique to our fanbase.

I agree that the other guards are cleaner fits based on our current roster construction. I also don't believe the Magic should care that much about fit. Picking a wing over Mobley, just for the sake of hoping the wing is good or better than Mobley doesn't make any sense. You don't pick Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker over Joel Embiid in a redraft.

The Magic just have to take the most talented player with the most upside to be a cornerstone piece for the next decade. Whether that's a PG, SF, or C doesn't matter at all.

[RookieStar]

I don't think the Mobley hate is rationale. That kid is an A1 prospect. He's solidly top 3 on almost all big boards. I feel like this hesitancy about Mobley is unique to our fanbase.

I agree that the other guards are cleaner fits based on our current roster construction. I also don't believe the Magic should care that much about fit. Picking a wing over Mobley, just for the sake of hoping the wing is good or better than Mobley doesn't make any sense. You don't pick Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker over Joel Embiid in a redraft.

The Magic just have to take the most talented player with the most upside to be a cornerstone piece for the next decade. Whether that's a PG, SF, or C doesn't matter at all.

Agree.. I think any other teams who didn't experience an unsuccessful Bigman-led(aka Vuc-led) team for many years, which is probably almost all teams aside from us, would be very happy with Mobley.

Didn't we all agree we take BPA? If that is Mobley, so be it. I keep reading about that we should not care about our roster now at all. If we pick someone who is better than fan favorites Chuma JI RJ/whoever then that is what's best.

[VFX]

I don't think the Mobley hate is rationale. That kid is an A1 prospect. He's solidly top 3 on almost all big boards. I feel like this hesitancy about Mobley is unique to our fanbase.

I agree that the other guards are cleaner fits based on our current roster construction. I also don't believe the Magic should care that much about fit. Picking a wing over Mobley, just for the sake of hoping the wing is good or better than Mobley doesn't make any sense. You don't pick Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker over Joel Embiid in a redraft.

The Magic just have to take the most talented player with the most upside to be a cornerstone piece for the next decade. Whether that's a PG, SF, or C doesn't matter at all.

Here’s the situation.

Orlando is terrible offensively. They just traded a Center that took 25 shots a game to keep them relevant, only up to the first round of a comically bad eastern conference.

Orlando is searching for a “go-to” guy that can provide an identity and efficient style of play.

Mobley is a big. He might provide great defense and be a focal point on offense. However, he would basically be replicating a similar style of play that we just watched prior to the trades. A bunch of role players with questionable shooting ability and decent defense.

I think people understand that you want to take the “best player available”, by WeHam’s determination.

What I don’t think people are grasping is that Orlando WONT be picking this high, after this draft, due to the injury situation and competing tank teams.

What that means is that identity on offense is completely determined by this pick.

I’m not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. Orlando doesn’t have a go-to guy. Selecting Mobley would by all metrics “make” him that guy without a good supporting cast. No team is successfully led by a big on offense without at least a 1a/1b player or a very solid starting lineup. Orlando has neither.

So no, It’s not as simple as “take any position” regardless of outcome. The argument has nothing to do with “fit” in my opinion.

[thelead]

I really like Mobley... but he can't be the pick if we land a top 3 pick

[Xatticus]

well then, someone bettet posts videos about this match of Sengun against a top team then lol

6 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists
3-8 FG
0-2 for 3

+/- -24

Efes is another level when it comes to quality of competition, but still, best Efes players are Micic & Larkin, former nba bodies.

wow. They put the clamps on him or was he just ineffective? How many minutes did he play?

He got into foul trouble early. They were mostly silly calls, but that's the nature of the officiating in that league. Efes also has plenty of big bodies to throw at him.

[Max Power]

MagicMatic, I think you summed up the Mobley situation perfectly. We just ran a a team with a talented center from USC for 10 years. To do draft Mobley with what we’d have surrounding him doesn’t make sense. We may as well have kept Vuc if we draft Mobley. None of this is an indictment on Mobleys talent, it’s just place this franchise has been.

[Xatticus]

I don't think the Mobley hate is rationale. That kid is an A1 prospect. He's solidly top 3 on almost all big boards. I feel like this hesitancy about Mobley is unique to our fanbase.

I agree that the other guards are cleaner fits based on our current roster construction. I also don't believe the Magic should care that much about fit. Picking a wing over Mobley, just for the sake of hoping the wing is good or better than Mobley doesn't make any sense. You don't pick Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker over Joel Embiid in a redraft.

The Magic just have to take the most talented player with the most upside to be a cornerstone piece for the next decade. Whether that's a PG, SF, or C doesn't matter at all.

Here’s the situation.

Orlando is terrible offensively. They just traded a Center that took 25 shots a game to keep them relevant, only up to the first round of a comically bad eastern conference.

Orlando is searching for a “go-to” guy that can provide an identity and efficient style of play.

Mobley is a big. He might provide great defense and be a focal point on offense. However, he would basically be replicating a similar style of play that we just watched prior to the trades. A bunch of role players with questionable shooting ability and decent defense.

I think people understand that you want to take the “best player available”, by WeHam’s determination.

What I don’t think people are grasping is that Orlando WONT be picking this high, after this draft, due to the injury situation and competing tank teams.

What that means is that identity on offense is completely determined by this pick.

I’m not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. Orlando doesn’t have a go-to guy. Selecting Mobley would by all metrics “make” him that guy without a good supporting cast. No team is successfully led by a big on offense without at least a 1a/1b player or a very solid starting lineup. Orlando has neither.

So no, It’s not as simple as “take any position” regardless of outcome. The argument has nothing to do with “fit” in my opinion.

I just don't think this is fair. I certainly want a more dynamic backcourt. I do believe that while Mobley is skilled, his offense is going to be a work in progress. You can see the talent, but he is far from a guaranteed impact player at either end. I would prefer to add guard/wing talent.

All of that said, Vucevic isn't indicative of all big men at the offensive end. He was afforded way too much slack at the offensive end and he forever launched inefficient shots from mid-range or the post that were only partially mitigated by his ability to pass and his development of a 3-point shot. Clifford is going to be the real issue. He is going to funnel as much offense as he can through his preferred players. If you aren't one of his guys, you are going to have difficulty finding enough touches to develop. It's on the front office to find someone worthy of a featured role.

[Knightro]

What I don’t think people are grasping is that Orlando WONT be picking this high, after this draft, due to the injury situation and competing tank teams.

What that means is that identity on offense is completely determined by this pick.

I’m not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. Orlando doesn’t have a go-to guy. Selecting Mobley would by all metrics “make” him that guy without a good supporting cast.

I just strongly disagree with this.

Personally, I don't see any scenario outside of the Magic's top pick being *way* better than expected, and I'm talking about LeBron/Doncic/Simmons caliber as rookies, where Orlando isn't one of the worst teams in the league next year.

Rookies rarely make a positive impact and the Magic are going to be adding two of them to presumably play big minutes at the expense of the few veterans they did have.

I absolutely do not think this draft pick is going to be the only top 5 pick the Magic add to their roster in the next 2-3 offseasons. In fact, I think they're going to be even worse next year than they were this year.

[RookieStar]

What I don’t think people are grasping is that Orlando WONT be picking this high, after this draft, due to the injury situation and competing tank teams.

What that means is that identity on offense is completely determined by this pick.

I’m not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. Orlando doesn’t have a go-to guy. Selecting Mobley would by all metrics “make” him that guy without a good supporting cast.

I just strongly disagree with this.

Personally, I don't see any scenario outside of the Magic's top pick being *way* better than expected, and I'm talking about LeBron/Doncic/Simmons caliber as rookies, where Orlando isn't one of the worst teams in the league next year.

I absolutely do not think this draft pick is going to be the only top 5 pick the Magic add to their roster in the next 2-3 offseasons.

I have a feeling with how our FO approaches this coupled with Cliff's coaching, unless we tear it down again we wont be in the top5 tank winners anymore.

Call me optimistic or delusional but when i see the east PO teams and I look at what our lineup would be next season with cliff desire to grind and squeeze every win, i really think we are a low-end PO team next season.

[ogmagicfan]

I don't think the Mobley hate is rationale. That kid is an A1 prospect. He's solidly top 3 on almost all big boards. I feel like this hesitancy about Mobley is unique to our fanbase.

I agree that the other guards are cleaner fits based on our current roster construction. I also don't believe the Magic should care that much about fit. Picking a wing over Mobley, just for the sake of hoping the wing is good or better than Mobley doesn't make any sense. You don't pick Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker over Joel Embiid in a redraft.

The Magic just have to take the most talented player with the most upside to be a cornerstone piece for the next decade. Whether that's a PG, SF, or C doesn't matter at all.

Here’s the situation.

Orlando is terrible offensively. They just traded a Center that took 25 shots a game to keep them relevant, only up to the first round of a comically bad eastern conference.

Orlando is searching for a “go-to” guy that can provide an identity and efficient style of play.

Mobley is a big. He might provide great defense and be a focal point on offense. However, he would basically be replicating a similar style of play that we just watched prior to the trades. A bunch of role players with questionable shooting ability and decent defense.

I think people understand that you want to take the “best player available”, by WeHam’s determination.

What I don’t think people are grasping is that Orlando WONT be picking this high, after this draft, due to the injury situation and competing tank teams.

What that means is that identity on offense is completely determined by this pick.

I’m not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. Orlando doesn’t have a go-to guy. Selecting Mobley would by all metrics “make” him that guy without a good supporting cast. No team is successfully led by a big on offense without at least a 1a/1b player or a very solid starting lineup. Orlando has neither.

So no, It’s not as simple as “take any position” regardless of outcome. The argument has nothing to do with “fit” in my opinion.

I just don't think this is fair. I certainly want a more dynamic backcourt. I do believe that while Mobley is skilled, his offense is going to be a work in progress. You can see the talent, but he is far from a guaranteed impact player at either end. I would prefer to add guard/wing talent.

All of that said, Vucevic isn't indicative of all big men at the offensive end. He was afforded way too much slack at the offensive end and he forever launched inefficient shots from mid-range or the post that were only partially mitigated by his ability to pass and his development of a 3-point shot. Clifford is going to be the real issue. He is going to funnel as much offense as he can through his preferred players. If you aren't one of his guys, you are going to have difficulty finding enough touches to develop. It's on the front office to find someone worthy of a featured role.

I feel if Cunningham, Green, & Suggs are off the board, we kinda have to take Mobley.

I want a Go-To scorer at the 1-3 position as badly as anyone, and would prefer the Magic trading our pick, and the Chi pick and a player to move up in that scenario.

However if we go thru all our options and aren’t able to make any moves up, we have to accept our cards dealt to us and hope we get lucky with the Chi pick or next year in the draft.