When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[PrimeThyme]

I'd have him at or near the top of the list if he was healthy, as he was a year or two ago. But his situation is feels like more of a flier at this point. I wonder what the Magic FO truly feel about him right now.

The contract they gave him and the time they've invested into his rehab suggests to me that they see him as a lot more than just a player they'd give away as a flier. Whether they should or not, is another question I suppose.

On one end, at full health, he's a potential top 40 guy in terms of the impact he can bring to a team. On the other, he's someone who has played in less than 40% of his career NBA games and continues to rehab for going on 18 months from a major knee injury. It's tough to say where that places his value on the trade market.

I'd say it's still higher than what the Bulls would more than likely be willing to give up. I'm not the biggest Pat will fan (even despite his college roots) but I can see why they would hesitate to make that trade given Isaac's injury history.

However, I'd say the bidding war for Grant might get significantly pricer, which is something to consider. Of the names you mentioned, Isaac does fit in that middle category of having to pay up more than you would for a Clarke/Boucher (who I'm not all that high on to begin with) but below what Grant would cost you.

I don't see a team like Sac who's desperate for the play-in moving Barnes. Turner isn't a 4 to me. Grant's the perfect fit but I think there will be higher bidders.

[drsd]

The contract they gave him and the time they've invested into his rehab suggests to me that they see him as a lot more than just a player they'd give away as a flier. Whether they should or not, is another question I suppose.

When the Magic resigned Isaac (and Fultz), the team needed a SG from the draft and came out with a combo-PF (and a combo-PG). At some point the Magic either need to decide to play two F-Wagner with Isaac and Suggs with Fultz, or the consequences of the draft will cause a roster reset that was unexpected.

Not that the draft was wrong: but drafting BPA causes these sorts of imbalances. And trades are there to correct them.

Now add to that that Carter looks more comfortable as a PF, then we are at a situation where the starting five should not (cannot?) be Suggs/Fultz/F-Wagner/Isaac/Carter. The easiest first correction is to trade Issac for a Center and then see what the roster can provide from there.


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[basketballRob]

The contract they gave him and the time they've invested into his rehab suggests to me that they see him as a lot more than just a player they'd give away as a flier. Whether they should or not, is another question I suppose.

When the Magic resigned Isaac (and Fultz), the team needed a SG from the draft and came out with a combo-PF (and a combo-PG). At some point the Magic either need to decide to play two F-Wagner with Isaac and Suggs with Fultz, or the consequences of the draft will cause a roster reset that was unexpected.

Not that the draft was wrong: but drafting BPA causes these sorts of imbalances. And trades are there to correct them.

Now add to that that Carter looks more comfortable as a PF, then we are at a situation where the starting five should not (cannot?) be Suggs/Fultz/F-Wagner/Isaac/Carter. The easiest first correction is to trade Issac for a Center and then see what the roster can provide from there.


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Isaac could probably handle most centers. WCJ splits his time at center.

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[Skybox]

Just something to consider...Klay Thompson out 941 days, older player, knee injury PLUS torn Achilles. Just sayin'

Also, nobody was throwing dirt on his grave while rehabbing.

Keep your hopes up...we're married to Isaac, like it or not.

[pepe1991]

Just something to consider...Klay Thompson out 941 days, older player, knee injury PLUS torn Achilles. Just sayin'

Also, nobody was throwing dirt on his grave while rehabbing.

Keep your hopes up...we're married to Isaac, like it or not.

ugh... 5 times allstar. In middle of nba finals, in game where he was hands down best player on Warriors ( 30 points through 3 quaters, on 8-12 FG) is being pushed behind back in chasedown block attemp by Danny Green. Tears his ACL, gets up, makes two free throws. Leaves.

During rehab, he torn his achillie.

Everything that happend was reported, when he torn achillie, it was reported same day. He even talked later in media about it.

Jonathan isaac, 0 times anything, tears ACL in non contact injury. 18 months later nobody says anything about clear setback that he had during rehab. Afer having 8 months rehab of injury that should take 8 weeks.

Yea... there is good reason why nobody throws shade at Klay, he is one of greatest shooters in nba history, clear cut HOF and 3 time nba champion, being second or third offensive option in all of them.

We are not married to Isaac. Weltman and Hammond and their jobs are. If he dusts out he will be second high lottery pick turned into nothing.

[basketballRob]

Hopefully, next year Isaac is at least first-team all-defense. This year I think will be just getting them reacclimated. JI and Fultz need to have healthy summers.

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[Optimus_Steel]

So Issac has been busy writing a book with Ben Shapiro....

[basketballRob]

So Issac has been busy writing a book with Ben Shapiro....

Would it matter if he was doing a book about basketball with Bill Russell? Plenty of players do things when they're injured. I've saw Suggs promoting things while he's been injured.

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[Skybox]

Just something to consider...Klay Thompson out 941 days, older player, knee injury PLUS torn Achilles. Just sayin'

Also, nobody was throwing dirt on his grave while rehabbing.

Keep your hopes up...we're married to Isaac, like it or not.

ugh... 5 times allstar. In middle of nba finals, in game where he was hands down best player on Warriors ( 30 points through 3 quaters, on 8-12 FG) is being pushed behind back in chasedown block attemp by Danny Green. Tears his ACL, gets up, makes two free throws. Leaves.

During rehab, he torn his achillie.

Everything that happend was reported, when he torn achillie, it was reported same day. He even talked later in media about it.

Jonathan isaac, 0 times anything, tears ACL in non contact injury. 18 months later nobody says anything about clear setback that he had during rehab. Afer having 8 months rehab of injury that should take 8 weeks.

Yea... there is good reason why nobody throws shade at Klay, he is one of greatest shooters in nba history, clear cut HOF and 3 time nba champion, being second or third offensive option in all of them.

We are not married to Isaac. Weltman and Hammond and their jobs are. If he dusts out he will be second high lottery pick turned into nothing.

Correct as always Pepe. Just shoot him...why even waste money on rehab staff? I thought it was fairly obvious I wasn't trying to compare JI and Klay's shooting ability, just that injured guys (even badly injured older guys) do play again at a high level sometimes. Good thing I didn't mention old, scrawny Durant's Achilles...

[LDNMagic90]

Not to be rude but what is the correlation between Isaac's/Klay's achievements and their injuries? I'm sure Skybox meant that Klay came back fine from his injuries so in theory Isaac might be fine in terms of how he plays.

[pepe1991]

Just something to consider...Klay Thompson out 941 days, older player, knee injury PLUS torn Achilles. Just sayin'

Also, nobody was throwing dirt on his grave while rehabbing.

Keep your hopes up...we're married to Isaac, like it or not.

ugh... 5 times allstar. In middle of nba finals, in game where he was hands down best player on Warriors ( 30 points through 3 quaters, on 8-12 FG) is being pushed behind back in chasedown block attemp by Danny Green. Tears his ACL, gets up, makes two free throws. Leaves.

During rehab, he torn his achillie.

Everything that happend was reported, when he torn achillie, it was reported same day. He even talked later in media about it.

Jonathan isaac, 0 times anything, tears ACL in non contact injury. 18 months later nobody says anything about clear setback that he had during rehab. Afer having 8 months rehab of injury that should take 8 weeks.

Yea... there is good reason why nobody throws shade at Klay, he is one of greatest shooters in nba history, clear cut HOF and 3 time nba champion, being second or third offensive option in all of them.

We are not married to Isaac. Weltman and Hammond and their jobs are. If he dusts out he will be second high lottery pick turned into nothing.

Correct as always Pepe. Just shoot him...why even waste money on rehab staff? I thought it was fairly obvious I wasn't trying to compare JI and Klay's shooting ability, just that injured guys (even badly injured older guys) do play again at a high level sometimes. Good thing I didn't mention old, scrawny Durant's Achilles...

With Klay whole process was transparent, fans always had insight of situation, when he had setback it was reported and even he talked to others about it.
With Isaac... nothing makes sense. There was never explained why he needed 8 months for hyperexstended knee injury. It was never explained why he needs 18 months for rehab. It's never explained how da f*** he will play in nba against teams that require vaccinaton.
Everything with Isaac, for almost 2 full years is him talking about: politics, Christ, Earth, religion, global warming... Basketball? Naah. Zip. Zero. Why isn't he out there playing? Who knows. When he is returning? Who knows. What stage of recovery he is doing? Who knows?

I posted that graph Isaac vs Zoin fan intersest, as kind a explanation why nobody knows anything ( nobody cares ) but it's laughable that he has no timetable of retrun 18 months into injury that takes 12-14 to return from.

[jonbob17]

Just something to consider...Klay Thompson out 941 days, older player, knee injury PLUS torn Achilles. Just sayin'

Also, nobody was throwing dirt on his grave while rehabbing.

Keep your hopes up...we're married to Isaac, like it or not.

Plenty of people threw dirt on Klay's grave. Many said his contract could end up being the worst in the history of the sport, there is plenty of competition for that crown. Time will tell. Klay has played 38 minutes and is shooting 38%. How does he look on defense is what i am curious about?

[jonbob17]

The contract they gave him and the time they've invested into his rehab suggests to me that they see him as a lot more than just a player they'd give away as a flier. Whether they should or not, is another question I suppose.

When the Magic resigned Isaac (and Fultz), the team needed a SG from the draft and came out with a combo-PF (and a combo-PG). At some point the Magic either need to decide to play two F-Wagner with Isaac and Suggs with Fultz, or the consequences of the draft will cause a roster reset that was unexpected.

Not that the draft was wrong: but drafting BPA causes these sorts of imbalances. And trades are there to correct them.

Now add to that that Carter looks more comfortable as a PF, then we are at a situation where the starting five should not (cannot?) be Suggs/Fultz/F-Wagner/Isaac/Carter. The easiest first correction is to trade Issac for a Center and then see what the roster can provide from there.


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Zero chance WCJ is a long term fit at the 4, right? They gotta be just giving out the minutes to determine who is the future starting 5 on this team. The thought of WCJ along side any center long term makes me want to puke

[thelead]

The contract they gave him and the time they've invested into his rehab suggests to me that they see him as a lot more than just a player they'd give away as a flier. Whether they should or not, is another question I suppose.

When the Magic resigned Isaac (and Fultz), the team needed a SG from the draft and came out with a combo-PF (and a combo-PG). At some point the Magic either need to decide to play two F-Wagner with Isaac and Suggs with Fultz, or the consequences of the draft will cause a roster reset that was unexpected.

Not that the draft was wrong: but drafting BPA causes these sorts of imbalances. And trades are there to correct them.

Now add to that that Carter looks more comfortable as a PF, then we are at a situation where the starting five should not (cannot?) be Suggs/Fultz/F-Wagner/Isaac/Carter. The easiest first correction is to trade Issac for a Center and then see what the roster can provide from there.


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Zero chance WCJ is a long term fit at the 4, right? They gotta be just giving out the minutes to determine who is the future starting 5 on this team. The thought of WCJ along side any center long term makes me want to puke

It depends on the roster. WCJ is not going to lose you many games. He's solid enough to start depending on roster construction IMO.

[zaymon]

The contract they gave him and the time they've invested into his rehab suggests to me that they see him as a lot more than just a player they'd give away as a flier. Whether they should or not, is another question I suppose.

When the Magic resigned Isaac (and Fultz), the team needed a SG from the draft and came out with a combo-PF (and a combo-PG). At some point the Magic either need to decide to play two F-Wagner with Isaac and Suggs with Fultz, or the consequences of the draft will cause a roster reset that was unexpected.

Not that the draft was wrong: but drafting BPA causes these sorts of imbalances. And trades are there to correct them.

Now add to that that Carter looks more comfortable as a PF, then we are at a situation where the starting five should not (cannot?) be Suggs/Fultz/F-Wagner/Isaac/Carter. The easiest first correction is to trade Issac for a Center and then see what the roster can provide from there.


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Zero chance WCJ is a long term fit at the 4, right? They gotta be just giving out the minutes to determine who is the future starting 5 on this team. The thought of WCJ along side any center long term makes me want to puke

I think WCJ offers combination of skills allowing him to play him next to either forwards or centers. He needs to play with rim protector but offers good interior defense.
He is doing good next to Bamba, he should be even better next to JI. If we draft Holmgren we would have great roster flexibility against different opponents. Most extreme would be
Wagner/Isaac/Carter/Holmgren.
Put there Suggs and wish good luck to opponents trying to shoot at the rim.

[GimmeDat]

From my experience... you want WCJ playing the 5.

[Xatticus]

People just have Isaac injury and outside venture fatigue. People were raving how good he was defensively and his offense being fine (not amazing, not MKG levels, just fine) for being a young guy. He may never reach that level with the injuries again, who knows, but I think some people are underrating his impact for us.

I'm certain that is a part of it, but there is much more to it than that.

I'm concerned about losing him for nothing. If he gets hurt again, he becomes a sunk cost. It's probably too late to get anything for him before the summer. There just isn't enough time left before the deadline for him to recover some value.

He is very obviously more valuable, when healthy, to many other teams. For any team struggling to figure out how to fix their defense, he looks like a panacea. He is the only guy on our roster that could bring back a significant return and the extra wins he gives us are of little importance.

And as to why I would consider trading him for Williams... I just like Williams. I think Chicago is a terrible place for Williams to grow. I didn't think a lot of him before the draft and admittedly I haven't watched a ton of him, but I have liked what I have seen. He is surprisingly mobile considering his size and he has good body control. If he can get and stay healthy, he can guard some of the tougher covers in the league. His 3-point shot can be a bit slow and mechanical, but it isn't broken. It looks better when he actually does have to speed it up. He can attack a closeout. I just think there is a better player there than what we have seen. I'd like to see what Mosley could do with him.

The obvious downside of sending Isaac to Chicago is that it sabotages the value of their pick next year.

[Xatticus]

So Issac has been busy writing a book with Ben Shapiro....

Would it matter if he was doing a book about basketball with Bill Russell? Plenty of players do things when they're injured. I've saw Suggs promoting things while he's been injured.

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Yes. It's a huge difference. It's a massive difference.

I know Shapiro as the **** that went after players that kneeled for the national anthem. He attacked Kaepernick relentlessly and his argument was stupid. He kept trying to point out how bad Kaepernick was as a player, which is tantamount to attacking a feminist for being ugly. It's irrelevant.

It's one thing to choose not to kneel. It is another thing entirely to buddy up to a guy that has attacked those that chose to kneel. NBA locker rooms are full of guys that chose to kneel.

[Passout]

Shapiro, and many others, attacked kaepernick’s skills because kaepernicks supporters were saying he has the skills to still play QB and it was wrong that no team would offer him a contract. The truth is Kaepernick sucks. If he didn’t, someone would look past him being a pain in the ass and pick him up.

[basketballRob]

So Issac has been busy writing a book with Ben Shapiro....

Would it matter if he was doing a book about basketball with Bill Russell? Plenty of players do things when they're injured. I've saw Suggs promoting things while he's been injured.

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Yes. It's a huge difference. It's a massive difference.

I know Shapiro as the **** that went after players that kneeled for the national anthem. He attacked Kaepernick relentlessly and his argument was stupid. He kept trying to point out how bad Kaepernick was as a player, which is tantamount to attacking a feminist for being ugly. It's irrelevant.

It's one thing to choose not to kneel. It is another thing entirely to buddy up to a guy that has attacked those that chose to kneel. NBA locker rooms are full of guys that chose to kneel.

Still, it's his freedom to do what he wants to. Just like players have the freedom to kneel. What would you suggest they do, silence his free speech?

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