Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Skybox]

An actual point guard, ala Brogdon would be nice and necessary bench depth, instead of playing Cole.
A center is also needed. Ideally it would be someone for this season only, that can take over Moe’s role. However I more and more want it to be in the Goga mold, so he can start instead of Wendell whenever Goga is injured.

Robert Williams from POR should be available…elite defender

I’d love to add him into a Simons trade and solve both concern- and at a very level.

Robert Williams is pretty amazing but injury prone. I want to avoid high risk injury players. We have enough.

Most variations have Isaac going out to match salary…a risk for a risk

[JRoy]

Something around Wendell for Simon's would be nice around the trade deadline

Wendell can not be traded this season

No reason for POR to consider that in any case.

[RichCollab]

Robert Williams from POR should be available…elite defender

I’d love to add him into a Simons trade and solve both concern- and at a very level.

Robert Williams is pretty amazing but injury prone. I want to avoid high risk injury players. We have enough.

Most variations have Isaac going out to match salary…a risk for a risk

Why would Portland take JI? Robert Williams has averaged 36 games a season over 6 years.

Get someone less injury prone for an asset like JI.

JI has averaged 41 games and has been injured less than Robert Williams this season.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Something around Wendell for Simon's would be nice around the trade deadline

Wendell can not be traded this season

No reason for POR to consider that in any case.

If you’re going to creep around here you might as well say things that are productive to the subject so we’re able to have an actual discussion.

For ex. Portland wouldn’t consider this due to having x3 centers currently on payroll, however they’re interested in picks and possibly Jett Howard.

A lot of Magic fans hold some of your players in high regard as I’m sure you know so we will welcome good debate/conversation/insight from opposing teams with open arms.

Thanks a ton.

[JRoy]

Wendell can not be traded this season

No reason for POR to consider that in any case.

If you’re going to creep around here you might as well say things that are productive to the subject so we’re able to have an actual discussion.

For ex. Portland wouldn’t consider this due to having x3 centers currently on payroll, however they’re interested in picks and possibly Jett Howard.

A lot of Magic fans hold some of your players in high regard as I’m sure you know so we will welcome good debate/conversation/insight from opposing teams with open arms.

Thanks a ton.

I like Wendell, but the time for that trade was before POR had 4 playable C.

POR has plenty of holes but C is the position of least need. No reason to move a guy who has (some) value for a depth guy.

[orlando_joe]

An actual point guard, ala Brogdon would be nice and necessary bench depth, instead of playing Cole.
A center is also needed. Ideally it would be someone for this season only, that can take over Moe’s role. However I more and more want it to be in the Goga mold, so he can start instead of Wendell whenever Goga is injured.

Robert Williams from POR should be available…elite defender

I’d love to add him into a Simons trade and solve both concern- and at a very level.

dude is like 6foot 8 and hurt more then wcj can not be counted on and under contract next season..wont happen

[RichCollab]

An actual point guard, ala Brogdon would be nice and necessary bench depth, instead of playing Cole.
A center is also needed. Ideally it would be someone for this season only, that can take over Moe’s role. However I more and more want it to be in the Goga mold, so he can start instead of Wendell whenever Goga is injured.

Robert Williams from POR should be available…elite defender

I’d love to add him into a Simons trade and solve both concern- and at a very level.

dude is like 6foot 8 and hurt more then wcj can not be counted on and under contract next season..wont happen

He has missed more games than JI.

[CarraT]

ORL sends: Harris, Anthony, DEN FRP
ORL receives: Simons

POR sends: Simons
PRO receives: Harris, Jeff Green (both expiring), DEN FRP

HOU sends: Green
HOU receives: Anthony

[OrlChamps2030]

Robert Williams from POR should be available…elite defender

I’d love to add him into a Simons trade and solve both concern- and at a very level.

dude is like 6foot 8 and hurt more then wcj can not be counted on and under contract next season..wont happen

He has missed more games than JI.

Sounds like the type of guy Weltman would love to sign to a 4 year deal

[Skybox]

Guys are either, “Not giving up assets for a rental” or, “he’s got years on his deal”

No middle ground

#THISAINT2K

[Skybox]

ORL sends, KCP, Cole, Jett, ORL 25 frp (top 8), 2 srps
ORL gets: Simons, TimeLord

POR sends: Simons, Time Lord
POR gets.: THJ, Cole, Fontecchio, Jett, ORL 25 frp (Top 8), ORL 25 srp

DET sends: THJ, Fontecchio
DETgets: KCP, ORL 27 srp

[MartinsIzAfraud]

ORL sends, KCP, Cole, Jett, ORL 25 frp (top 8), 2 srps
ORL gets: Simons, TimeLord

POR sends: Simons, Time Lord
POR gets.: THJ, Cole, Fontecchio, Jett, ORL 25 frp (Top 8), ORL 25 srp

DET sends: THJ, Fontecchio
DETgets: KCP, ORL 27 srp

you know better then to include KCP in any deal.. he's not going anywhere and honestly shouldn't. I've repeatedly said that if Cole & Gary are on the roster post-deadline, this FO doesn't have a vision outside of prayer and internal development.

[Idiosyncratic]

Looking at the money on the books next year, if they bring back Mo they would be at 12 roster spots and just a couple million under the luxury tax threshold I believe.

Makes me wonder if they won't try to package Cole and Jett (plus maybe a 2nd) to a team for an expiring guard. If they moved Cole and Jett for an expiring they would be like 22 million under the luxury tax threshold next year. Wiggle room to sign their picks and maybe sign a point guard (Schroder, Chris Paul, Tyus etc. ) and maybe a shooter. I think the reality of trades a lot of times is that this is the kind of stuff in the minds of front offices. Now maybe they are willing to blow by the luxury tax and be an apron team starting next year? Who knows. Maybe they aren't bringing Mo back, maybe they would move Caldwell-Pope and this is moot, but it seems plausible to me.

The only teams that would take this kind of deal are bad teams willing to try Jett out and further tank. So I see like Dlo, Brogdon, Bojan, Bruce Brown, Lonzo or maybe Tre Jones if the Spurs keep losing as realistic options. Maybe guys like Tim Hardaway, Schroder, or Luke Kennard in multi-team deals. Deal doesn't have to include Jett, I just think that might be the only way a tanking team would take Cole, but maybe 2nds are enough.

Maybe not a fun trade idea, but possibly a realistic idea that gets us a little more ball-handling or shooting and gives us room to get better in the offseason.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Looking at the money on the books next year, if they bring back Mo they would be at 12 roster spots and just a couple million under the luxury tax threshold I believe.

Makes me wonder if they won't try to package Cole and Jett (plus maybe a 2nd) to a team for an expiring guard. If they moved Cole and Jett for an expiring they would be like 22 million under the luxury tax threshold next year. Wiggle room to sign their picks and maybe sign a point guard (Schroder, Chris Paul, Tyus etc. ) and maybe a shooter. I think the reality of trades a lot of times is that this is the kind of stuff in the minds of front offices. Now maybe they are willing to blow by the luxury tax and be an apron team starting next year? Who knows. Maybe they aren't bringing Mo back, maybe they would move Caldwell-Pope and this is moot, but it seems plausible to me.

The only teams that would take this kind of deal are bad teams willing to try Jett out and further tank. So I see like Dlo, Brogdon, Bojan, Bruce Brown, Lonzo or maybe Tre Jones if the Spurs keep losing as realistic options. Maybe guys like Tim Hardaway, Schroder, or Luke Kennard in multi-team deals. Deal doesn't have to include Jett, I just think that might be the only way a tanking team would take Cole, but maybe 2nds are enough.

Maybe not a fun trade idea, but possibly a realistic idea that gets us a little more ball-handling or shooting and gives us room to get better in the offseason.

Does that include Gary’s dead weight of 7.5M as well? The Mo thing is interesting because his value for the bench is clearly big. Do Magic try to reneg a 2 year deal again like 2/15M and would he even want that. He seemed to think we low balled him this past time

[Idiosyncratic]

Looking at the money on the books next year, if they bring back Mo they would be at 12 roster spots and just a couple million under the luxury tax threshold I believe.

Makes me wonder if they won't try to package Cole and Jett (plus maybe a 2nd) to a team for an expiring guard. If they moved Cole and Jett for an expiring they would be like 22 million under the luxury tax threshold next year. Wiggle room to sign their picks and maybe sign a point guard (Schroder, Chris Paul, Tyus etc. ) and maybe a shooter. I think the reality of trades a lot of times is that this is the kind of stuff in the minds of front offices. Now maybe they are willing to blow by the luxury tax and be an apron team starting next year? Who knows. Maybe they aren't bringing Mo back, maybe they would move Caldwell-Pope and this is moot, but it seems plausible to me.

The only teams that would take this kind of deal are bad teams willing to try Jett out and further tank. So I see like Dlo, Brogdon, Bojan, Bruce Brown, Lonzo or maybe Tre Jones if the Spurs keep losing as realistic options. Maybe guys like Tim Hardaway, Schroder, or Luke Kennard in multi-team deals. Deal doesn't have to include Jett, I just think that might be the only way a tanking team would take Cole, but maybe 2nds are enough.

Maybe not a fun trade idea, but possibly a realistic idea that gets us a little more ball-handling or shooting and gives us room to get better in the offseason.

Does that include Gary’s dead weight of 7.5M as well? The Moe thing is interesting because his value for the bench is clearly big. Do Magic try to reneg a 2 year deal again like 2/15M and would he even want that. He seemed to think we low balled him this past time b

I have them declining Gary, Caleb and CoJo's option while accepting Mo's and being right near the tax. Luxury tax at 188 mil, 1st apron at 196 mil.

Yeah negotiating a new deal with Mo could happen, but right now I'm just assuming the option is picked up. I just can't see them letting him go because of the Franz connection, but also the fact that he was legitimately one of the best bench scorers in the league this year.

My numbers could be off, I'm not a math guru so if anyone has more accurate numbers please correct me. I think I'm correct and it does seem like something they will consider, but we'll see.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Looking at the money on the books next year, if they bring back Mo they would be at 12 roster spots and just a couple million under the luxury tax threshold I believe.

Makes me wonder if they won't try to package Cole and Jett (plus maybe a 2nd) to a team for an expiring guard. If they moved Cole and Jett for an expiring they would be like 22 million under the luxury tax threshold next year. Wiggle room to sign their picks and maybe sign a point guard (Schroder, Chris Paul, Tyus etc. ) and maybe a shooter. I think the reality of trades a lot of times is that this is the kind of stuff in the minds of front offices. Now maybe they are willing to blow by the luxury tax and be an apron team starting next year? Who knows. Maybe they aren't bringing Mo back, maybe they would move Caldwell-Pope and this is moot, but it seems plausible to me.

The only teams that would take this kind of deal are bad teams willing to try Jett out and further tank. So I see like Dlo, Brogdon, Bojan, Bruce Brown, Lonzo or maybe Tre Jones if the Spurs keep losing as realistic options. Maybe guys like Tim Hardaway, Schroder, or Luke Kennard in multi-team deals. Deal doesn't have to include Jett, I just think that might be the only way a tanking team would take Cole, but maybe 2nds are enough.

Maybe not a fun trade idea, but possibly a realistic idea that gets us a little more ball-handling or shooting and gives us room to get better in the offseason.

Does that include Gary’s dead weight of 7.5M as well? The Moe thing is interesting because his value for the bench is clearly big. Do Magic try to reneg a 2 year deal again like 2/15M and would he even want that. He seemed to think we low balled him this past time b

I have them declining Gary, Caleb and CoJo's option while accepting Mo's and being right near the tax. Luxury tax at 188 mil, 1st apron at 196 mil.

Yeah negotiating a new deal with Mo could happen, but right now I'm just assuming the option is picked up. I just can't see them letting him go because of the Franz connection, but also the fact that he was legitimately one of the best bench scorers in the league this year.

My numbers could be off, I'm not a math guru so if anyone has more accurate numbers please correct me. I think I'm correct and it does seem like something they will consider, but we'll see.

Yeah, with those moves we're maybe 1M away from the Luxury Tax.. Like you said will be interesting if they move Gary + Cole + Jett for something that fits better. Thats the sad part, they can do nothing make the 2 picks and be under the cap.

12 players under contract + 2 draft picks gets you 14 players with 1 open spot.

[eyriq]

Looking at the money on the books next year, if they bring back Mo they would be at 12 roster spots and just a couple million under the luxury tax threshold I believe.

Makes me wonder if they won't try to package Cole and Jett (plus maybe a 2nd) to a team for an expiring guard. If they moved Cole and Jett for an expiring they would be like 22 million under the luxury tax threshold next year. Wiggle room to sign their picks and maybe sign a point guard (Schroder, Chris Paul, Tyus etc. ) and maybe a shooter. I think the reality of trades a lot of times is that this is the kind of stuff in the minds of front offices. Now maybe they are willing to blow by the luxury tax and be an apron team starting next year? Who knows. Maybe they aren't bringing Mo back, maybe they would move Caldwell-Pope and this is moot, but it seems plausible to me.

The only teams that would take this kind of deal are bad teams willing to try Jett out and further tank. So I see like Dlo, Brogdon, Bojan, Bruce Brown, Lonzo or maybe Tre Jones if the Spurs keep losing as realistic options. Maybe guys like Tim Hardaway, Schroder, or Luke Kennard in multi-team deals. Deal doesn't have to include Jett, I just think that might be the only way a tanking team would take Cole, but maybe 2nds are enough.

Maybe not a fun trade idea, but possibly a realistic idea that gets us a little more ball-handling or shooting and gives us room to get better in the offseason.

I do wonder if they are out on Jett. Is he missing developmental milestones? Hard to say for the following reason, they planned on a g-league stint and re-signed Gary Harris as an additional blocker alongside Cole.

It doesn't feel like they set him up to be an early contributor and instead have treated him as a project. Not sure he's demonstrated to them that he wasn't worth the 11th pick.

[three3d]

Looking at the money on the books next year, if they bring back Mo they would be at 12 roster spots and just a couple million under the luxury tax threshold I believe.

Makes me wonder if they won't try to package Cole and Jett (plus maybe a 2nd) to a team for an expiring guard. If they moved Cole and Jett for an expiring they would be like 22 million under the luxury tax threshold next year. Wiggle room to sign their picks and maybe sign a point guard (Schroder, Chris Paul, Tyus etc. ) and maybe a shooter. I think the reality of trades a lot of times is that this is the kind of stuff in the minds of front offices. Now maybe they are willing to blow by the luxury tax and be an apron team starting next year? Who knows. Maybe they aren't bringing Mo back, maybe they would move Caldwell-Pope and this is moot, but it seems plausible to me.

The only teams that would take this kind of deal are bad teams willing to try Jett out and further tank. So I see like Dlo, Brogdon, Bojan, Bruce Brown, Lonzo or maybe Tre Jones if the Spurs keep losing as realistic options. Maybe guys like Tim Hardaway, Schroder, or Luke Kennard in multi-team deals. Deal doesn't have to include Jett, I just think that might be the only way a tanking team would take Cole, but maybe 2nds are enough.

Maybe not a fun trade idea, but possibly a realistic idea that gets us a little more ball-handling or shooting and gives us room to get better in the offseason.

I do wonder if they are out on Jett. Is he missing developmental milestones? Hard to say for the following reason, they planned on a g-league stint and re-signed Gary Harris as an additional blocker alongside Cole.

It doesn't feel like they set him up to be an early contributor and instead have treated him as a project. Not sure he's demonstrated to them that he wasn't worth the 11th pick.

Picture Jett coming off screens like the older version of Ray Allen. I’m not saying Jett is anywhere near Ray Allen as a player, BUT Jett does have a nice fast stroke from three. That is a useful tool to hone in on and perfect. I’d go back and watch Bulls highlights of Jordan and Pippen and watch the way the other teammates ran off picks with all the attention on Jordan and Pippen ( we have our own version in Paolo and Franz ) of two guys the defense has to pay attention to.

[Idiosyncratic]

Looking at the money on the books next year, if they bring back Mo they would be at 12 roster spots and just a couple million under the luxury tax threshold I believe.

Makes me wonder if they won't try to package Cole and Jett (plus maybe a 2nd) to a team for an expiring guard. If they moved Cole and Jett for an expiring they would be like 22 million under the luxury tax threshold next year. Wiggle room to sign their picks and maybe sign a point guard (Schroder, Chris Paul, Tyus etc. ) and maybe a shooter. I think the reality of trades a lot of times is that this is the kind of stuff in the minds of front offices. Now maybe they are willing to blow by the luxury tax and be an apron team starting next year? Who knows. Maybe they aren't bringing Mo back, maybe they would move Caldwell-Pope and this is moot, but it seems plausible to me.

The only teams that would take this kind of deal are bad teams willing to try Jett out and further tank. So I see like Dlo, Brogdon, Bojan, Bruce Brown, Lonzo or maybe Tre Jones if the Spurs keep losing as realistic options. Maybe guys like Tim Hardaway, Schroder, or Luke Kennard in multi-team deals. Deal doesn't have to include Jett, I just think that might be the only way a tanking team would take Cole, but maybe 2nds are enough.

Maybe not a fun trade idea, but possibly a realistic idea that gets us a little more ball-handling or shooting and gives us room to get better in the offseason.

I do wonder if they are out on Jett. Is he missing developmental milestones? Hard to say for the following reason, they planned on a g-league stint and re-signed Gary Harris as an additional blocker alongside Cole.

It doesn't feel like they set him up to be an early contributor and instead have treated him as a project. Not sure he's demonstrated to them that he wasn't worth the 11th pick.

I think Jett has probably just looked so unplayable on defense in practice from the beginning that he would never be a guy Mosley would play is my guess. This is also where I understand where the people who don't want to make picks are coming from a bit. Jett absolutely didn't get the chance he would get on a bad team. I don't think the correct leap to make from that is "Oh we no longer need prospects", but that is an entirely different debate we have been over a million times, I'm done with that one.

I think it is unlikely he is a player, but I don't think it is impossible. The shooting talent is very real. He worked on his body in the offseason he got in better shape, he plays hard. He's not without value as a lottery ticket.

If they can attach him to Cole for an expiring it probably is better for our sake AND his sake at this point. I want him to have a chance to play. That's where I'm at.

[eyriq]

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