Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Redick07]

Portland doesn't have the roster spots.

And Orlando needs to fill some slots.

Caldwell-Pope, Anthony, Bitadze, the #25, the 2027 FRP for Simons, Avdija, Thybulle (opt in), and Reath.
Three players for four frees up one-more slot for all the rookies that's coming to Blazer land.

Suggs/Black/some-dude
Simons/Thybulle/some-dude
F-Wagner/Avdija/da Silva
Banchero/Isaac/Williams
Carter/M-Wagner/Reath

Portland will never trade Avdija, just like we won't trade Paolo.

[tester551]

I have a weird feeling we are going to get a trade in the next 1-2 weeks. My prediction.

Cole, Goga, Jett, 25
for
Simons

Portland doesn't pick up the phone with that type of offer

[cedric76]

I have a weird feeling we are going to get a trade in the next 1-2 weeks. My prediction.

Cole, Goga, Jett, 25
for
Simons

Portland doesn't pick up the phone with that type of offer

Hopefully as it s an overpay

no need to include Goga

[eyriq]

Imo people got caught up in "it's about journey not destination" mantra.

In life, sure, travel toward goal is basically beauty of life, but that simply isn't case in sport.

Teams don't get extra cookie because they built team via draft (or via trade, or via undrafted pool of FAs or how you handle G league team). It's not game, you don't get extra points for doing anything.

Only objective team in sport is to win. How you get there, as long as it's legal is irrelevant. Vast majority of established teams in all the sports stay on top by skipping steps and taking finished products that they lure with money and fame that come along.


Magic boxed themself in corner that they had no reasons to be because of doing knee jerk, retroactive roster decisions all the time.
Half of the forum knew Magic don't have staring level PG in 2017, 2018,2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024. We didn't just wake up in summer of 2025 and realized our version of Haliburton died. That player never existed nor there was any intention nor desire to actually find starting level PG, despite fact PG has been most important position in basketball since basketball itself exists.

Aside from that trade for Fultz, who had like 24 games sample size over 3 years that he can't even play in NBA, there was never any active solution seeking for PG spot. There was more than enough evidence that neither Suggs nor Black are PGs by just looking college basketball. Both sky high TOs, low APG numbers with virtually non existing Pick&roll capability nor ability to run offense.



Pacers trade for Haliburton is perfect example of team that is self aware and smart enough to not overvalue own players.
Pacers had 34-38 record with Brogdon; Sabonis and just bag of injury prone players ( Warren, Oladipo; Turner, Levert etc).

Midway through another what looked to be injury riddled road to nowhere, they targeted Haliburton .

Price they payed for him also wasn't that low.
25 years old Sabonis, back to back all star, guy was coming off 20-13-7 season.

For a guy who at that point is "just" 14-7 -3 guy.

That type of trade is type of trade most people here would not agree upon. It would be equivalent of sending PB/Franz for Stephon Castle.


Bottom line, you can't just mimic all the moves from other teams, but you also have to explore all the options. Not just stick with "draft and internal development" like it's some Holy Cow of basketball. It's not. It is probably impossible to just win championship via draft because talents overlap, skills don't match and elite players leave as team runs out of money for everybody. Especially with new CBA.

Draft and develop isn’t some sacred philosophy, it’s a proven recipe for sustainable success when used strategically. The key is understanding your team’s stage so you know when to prioritize development and when to shift toward win-now moves. OKC is a perfect example: they tanked while SGA was developing, then flipped to win-now with the Caruso trade as he entered his prime. That’s not dogma, it’s smart timing.

[89Magicfan]

Imo people got caught up in "it's about journey not destination" mantra.

In life, sure, travel toward goal is basically beauty of life, but that simply isn't case in sport.

Teams don't get extra cookie because they built team via draft (or via trade, or via undrafted pool of FAs or how you handle G league team). It's not game, you don't get extra points for doing anything.

Only objective team in sport is to win. How you get there, as long as it's legal is irrelevant. Vast majority of established teams in all the sports stay on top by skipping steps and taking finished products that they lure with money and fame that come along.


Magic boxed themself in corner that they had no reasons to be because of doing knee jerk, retroactive roster decisions all the time.
Half of the forum knew Magic don't have staring level PG in 2017, 2018,2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024. We didn't just wake up in summer of 2025 and realized our version of Haliburton died. That player never existed nor there was any intention nor desire to actually find starting level PG, despite fact PG has been most important position in basketball since basketball itself exists.

Aside from that trade for Fultz, who had like 24 games sample size over 3 years that he can't even play in NBA, there was never any active solution seeking for PG spot. There was more than enough evidence that neither Suggs nor Black are PGs by just looking college basketball. Both sky high TOs, low APG numbers with virtually non existing Pick&roll capability nor ability to run offense.



Pacers trade for Haliburton is perfect example of team that is self aware and smart enough to not overvalue own players.
Pacers had 34-38 record with Brogdon; Sabonis and just bag of injury prone players ( Warren, Oladipo; Turner, Levert etc).

Midway through another what looked to be injury riddled road to nowhere, they targeted Haliburton .

Price they payed for him also wasn't that low.
25 years old Sabonis, back to back all star, guy was coming off 20-13-7 season.

For a guy who at that point is "just" 14-7 -3 guy.

That type of trade is type of trade most people here would not agree upon. It would be equivalent of sending PB/Franz for Stephon Castle.


Bottom line, you can't just mimic all the moves from other teams, but you also have to explore all the options. Not just stick with "draft and internal development" like it's some Holy Cow of basketball. It's not. It is probably impossible to just win championship via draft because talents overlap, skills don't match and elite players leave as team runs out of money for everybody. Especially with new CBA.

This is so on point. Especially the no PG since 2017. Good God how does a GM with so much experience not see how important a PG is? Now let’s say the Trae draft, which they were rumored to want Trae and just didn’t get the “luck” of the draw, is true, ok so why reach for Jett Howard a few drafts later?

I believe Black also wasn’t their true target. They wanted to Scoot and when the balls bounced the way they did they had to go with option B which I still feel like it was one of the Thompsons. Probably Amen but they were rumored to like Ausar as well. They get picked before our spot. Then you go into the deadlines and do nothing to address the glaring issue and end up basically throwing CoJo out there because voila, a somewhat decent PG is important for offensive efficiency and stability.

I can handle the unfortunate bad luck but the zero sense of urgency and getting guys who never were that to hope they would be that despite everything saying otherwise and doing it for almost 10 years?

[mattdelray1220]

I have a weird feeling we are going to get a trade in the next 1-2 weeks. My prediction.

Cole, Goga, Jett, 25
for
Simons

Portland doesn't pick up the phone with that type of offer

Hopefully as it s an overpay

no need to include Goga

I wouldn't be shocked if its Gary instead. I'm surprised people thing Portland wouldn't like this deal.

1. They aren't going to pay him 20-25mil/yr
2. They get a 6th man guard, back up center, former 1st round pick and 1st rounder.
3. All 3 guys with 1 year left. If it doesn't work out they will have loads of cap. If it does work out they have potentially 3 rotation guys on the cheap.

[ucfmay2000]

I have a weird feeling we are going to get a trade in the next 1-2 weeks. My prediction.

Cole, Goga, Jett, 25
for
Simons

Portland doesn't pick up the phone with that type of offer

Don’t you realize that Simons will be on last year of his contract next season? Portland doesn’t want to loose him for nothing.

[Redick07]

I have a weird feeling we are going to get a trade in the next 1-2 weeks. My prediction.

Cole, Goga, Jett, 25
for
Simons

Portland doesn't pick up the phone with that type of offer

Hopefully as it s an overpay

no need to include Goga

Agree with you. Simons doesn't worth that much. He is a terribly bad defender.
Cole, Jett, Harris, #25 and #46 is enough.

[Idiosyncratic]

If Portland wants to trade an expiring Simons they will take expirings and a late 1st IMO. Debatable if they would be willing to take on future salary to get a 1st, but I don't think it is impossible. If they want to extend him they won't trade him , I think in the past they have not wanted to trade him. It isn't that complicated IMO.

[Idiosyncratic]

Portland doesn't have the roster spots.

And Orlando needs to fill some slots.

Caldwell-Pope, Anthony, Bitadze, the #25, the 2027 FRP for Simons, Avdija, Thybulle (opt in), and Reath.
Three players for four frees up one-more slot for all the rookies that's coming to Blazer land.

Suggs/Black/some-dude
Simons/Thybulle/some-dude
F-Wagner/Avdija/da Silva
Banchero/Isaac/Williams
Carter/M-Wagner/Reath

Avdija is the most valuable player in this package by a mile and probably worth at least three 1sts at this point. Not happening. I do wonder if OKC threw a ton of picks at Portland if they would consider moving him, but not many scenarios where they would IMO.

[Black and Blue]

Imo people got caught up in "it's about journey not destination" mantra.

In life, sure, travel toward goal is basically beauty of life, but that simply isn't case in sport.

Teams don't get extra cookie because they built team via draft (or via trade, or via undrafted pool of FAs or how you handle G league team). It's not game, you don't get extra points for doing anything.

Only objective team in sport is to win. How you get there, as long as it's legal is irrelevant. Vast majority of established teams in all the sports stay on top by skipping steps and taking finished products that they lure with money and fame that come along.


Magic boxed themself in corner that they had no reasons to be because of doing knee jerk, retroactive roster decisions all the time.
Half of the forum knew Magic don't have staring level PG in 2017, 2018,2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024. We didn't just wake up in summer of 2025 and realized our version of Haliburton died. That player never existed nor there was any intention nor desire to actually find starting level PG, despite fact PG has been most important position in basketball since basketball itself exists.

Aside from that trade for Fultz, who had like 24 games sample size over 3 years that he can't even play in NBA, there was never any active solution seeking for PG spot. There was more than enough evidence that neither Suggs nor Black are PGs by just looking college basketball. Both sky high TOs, low APG numbers with virtually non existing Pick&roll capability nor ability to run offense.



Pacers trade for Haliburton is perfect example of team that is self aware and smart enough to not overvalue own players.
Pacers had 34-38 record with Brogdon; Sabonis and just bag of injury prone players ( Warren, Oladipo; Turner, Levert etc).

Midway through another what looked to be injury riddled road to nowhere, they targeted Haliburton .

Price they payed for him also wasn't that low.
25 years old Sabonis, back to back all star, guy was coming off 20-13-7 season.

For a guy who at that point is "just" 14-7 -3 guy.

That type of trade is type of trade most people here would not agree upon. It would be equivalent of sending PB/Franz for Stephon Castle.


Bottom line, you can't just mimic all the moves from other teams, but you also have to explore all the options. Not just stick with "draft and internal development" like it's some Holy Cow of basketball. It's not. It is probably impossible to just win championship via draft because talents overlap, skills don't match and elite players leave as team runs out of money for everybody. Especially with new CBA.

Well said. Exactly my point when I say only Paolo and (maybe) Franz should be untouchable. The majority of the NBA is looking at the Magic as a team that likely boxed themselves into a corner with their iffy top three (I heard two separate national podcasts say this today). I say they have a chance to make some big swings now and reshape this roster into one that people don’t have to squint to see championship aspirations.

Weltman needs someone around him saying we need trades to level up, and it sounds like he finally may have gotten the message. The “deals didn’t work out” line is tired and the team has the assets to really improve things if they aren’t super precious about only jettisoning garbage talent no one wants.

[Skybox]

Trade #1...DET looking for a PF and needing to re-up Beasley & Hardaway, who both filled excellent roles as Cade ascended to an elite player. DET is facing Cade's max and a wave of young guys heading towards extensions. Maybe their GM looks ahead, fiscally, and questions whether a big extension to Ivey makes sense with his fit next to Cade lacking and still not really showing more than flashes. Financially, it also helps DET to get a frp this summer to flesh out their rotation with inexpensive upside players years away from extension talk. Ivey may be a better bet for ORL than DET, based on roster construction.
ORL sends: WCJ, #16, #46
DET sends: Ivey

Trade #2...TOR has a high frp and Masai is said to prefer a bigger, cheaper, younger, more athletic and defensive-minded C in Maluach, to go with their young roster of offensive-leaning players like Ingram, Dick & Barrett. To get back a younger C to hold it down and, ultimately, back up Maluach along with a future frp to play with is a good return for 29yo C being paid $19.5 (considering that TOR has 4 other young players making $27.7m or (much more).
ORL sends: Goga, Cole Anthony(expiring), ORL 27 frp (top 3 protected)
TOR sends: Jakob Poeltl

ORL declines TO's on Moe Wagner & Gary Harris and re-signs Moe to a front-loaded 2yr deal with a third year TO, averaging $8m per.

ORL selects Maxime Raynaud at #16

Poeltl, Raynaud, (Moe)
Paolo, Isaac, Houstan
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB,
Ivey, CoJo

[JRoy]

Portland doesn't have the roster spots.

And Orlando needs to fill some slots.

Caldwell-Pope, Anthony, Bitadze, the #25, the 2027 FRP for Simons, Avdija, Thybulle (opt in), and Reath.
Three players for four frees up one-more slot for all the rookies that's coming to Blazer land.

Suggs/Black/some-dude
Simons/Thybulle/some-dude
F-Wagner/Avdija/da Silva
Banchero/Isaac/Williams
Carter/M-Wagner/Reath

POR paid a lotto pick, an unprotected FRP, 2 SRP and Brogdon for Avdija and he has played even better than anticipated.

You offer 3 bench players we don’t want, a late FRP, 1 FRP and POR adds Simons, Thybulle and Reath.

POR politely declines, blocks your number and prays for your soul.

[VFX]

Weltman is either going to make ONE trade using a draft pick + assets or he’s not going to make a trade at all and he will use the draft picks. Probably move the second for nothing.

Thats who he is. We know his track record and how he handles things.

I think people are mistaken if they think Weltman is going to be moving 3+ players making multiple consecutive deals to round out the roster.

[AdamTheGreek]

Weltman is either going to make ONE trade using a draft pick + assets or he’s not going to make a trade at all and he will use the draft picks. Probably move the second for nothing.

Thats who he is. We know his track record and how he handles things.

I think people are mistaken if they think Weltman is going to be moving 3+ players making multiple consecutive deals to round out the roster.

He’s going to be aggressive. He said it multiple times.

He knows he **** up not taking action at the deadline.

[tester551]

Portland doesn't pick up the phone with that type of offer

Hopefully as it s an overpay

no need to include Goga

I wouldn't be shocked if its Gary instead. I'm surprised people thing Portland wouldn't like this deal.

1. They aren't going to pay him 20-25mil/yr
2. They get a 6th man guard, back up center, former 1st round pick and 1st rounder.
3. All 3 guys with 1 year left. If it doesn't work out they will have loads of cap. If it does work out they have potentially 3 rotation guys on the cheap.

Portland can use Anthony.
Goga and Jett serve no purpose to Portland. Goga might bring some value in a swap to a 3rd team.

The big thing is Portland will want the 16. Much less concerned with the players returning.

16 + your choice of salary fillers

[basketballRob]

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[basketballRob]

I think we'd be able to unload some contracts we don't want for Poole, and he's better than Simons. Poole played great in every series during the Warriors' last championship run. If you polled the Warriors fanbase, the majority want Poole back. He averaged 25 ppg per 36 mpg last season.

Poole's contract expires at the same time KCP and Goga's expire.

Cole, Isaac, Jett, #16 for Poole. Isaac would probably like being near DC. All those contracts aren't guaranteed or fully guaranteed after next season.

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[Skybox]

I just lobbed this into the WAS trade board...curious to see:

What do you guys (realistically) hope for in return for Poole?

$31.8m, then $34.m guaranteed salary

ORL offers: Wendell Carter (can play alongside Sarr with complementary skillset-still just 26yo), Cole Anthony & Jett Howard (both have TO after one season), 2 srps

(I'd prefer to send KCP, but I don't see them biting with Smart already on the roster.)

[basketballRob]

I just lobbed this into the WAS trade board...curious to see:

What do you guys (realistically) hope for in return for Poole?

$31.8m, then $34.m guaranteed salary

ORL offers: Wendell Carter (can play alongside Sarr with complementary skillset-still just 26yo), Cole Anthony & Jett Howard (both have TO after one season), 2 srps

(I'd prefer to send KCP, but I don't see them biting with Smart already on the roster.)

I wouldn't trade Wendell. Isaac makes more sense. He gets paid more and would have more value to Washington since he only has 1 more season fully guaranteed.

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