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basketballRob wrote:We don't need any more choir boys. I wouldn't give the Cavs a hard time and 2 bottles of warm pee for Garland or Allen.
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not to mention your pee probably won't pass any screenings -based on this take.
Skybox wrote:pepe1991 wrote:OrlandoDream wrote:We cant run anything close to efficient offense with Paolo and franz bc NOBODY outside those two (since suggs injured) can hit open shots on consistent basis. Suggs back in the mix and anyone any PG/combo guard level player that is a proven shooter, not awful defense and average point guard half court awareness would make us a 50+ team even with Mosley and a lackluster bench.
We are not getting Garland or Reaves. Those two arent being traded and even if they would we could not afford their contracts (reaves next). Simons is like a poor mans garland anyways. Him or Coby White are more attainable without having to give up Suggs. Idc which one we just need more proven offensive help in this team. Enough lanky defensive specialist. Surround paolo and franz with shooters like DET did to Cade and you will see this team be top 3 in east next year.
During 2023-24:
Ingles shot 43,5% for 3
Suggs shot 40% for 3
Black shot 39% for 3
Isaac shot 37,5% for 3
Carter shot 37,4% for 3
Harris shot 37% for 3
Houstan shot 37% for 3
Mo Wagner hat 68% TS
Goga had 63% TS
And offense still sucked (22# offense ,worst offense that made playoffs) with fully healthy roster and several players in career years.
People simply don't want to accept reality. Franz and Paolo running and dominating in usage- offense isn't good offense.
it's not about others making shots, it's irrelevant how good others shoot as long as 65% of your offense goes to below average efficiency scorers who also are mediocre or flat out bad outside shooters as well.
This year they were top 10 in usage rate and ran worst shooting team of a decade with just dreadful offensive rating.
You can plant 3 Klay Thompsons around them, if 3 Klays combine for 15 shots and two of them for 60 shots guess what ? offense will still be pretty damn bad because:
leagues average EFG% = 54,3
Paolo = 50% eFG
Franz 50,7% eFG
True shooting league average = 57,6%
Paolo = 55,1%
Franz = 55,8%
League's average 3 point shooting = 36%
Paolo = 32%
Franz = 29,5%
We can spin this narrative as much as we want but great offensive players make offense better AND individual players better.
Year prior their usage was under some control and others had opportunity to shine. Comes as no surprise that Isaac and Moe had career years with Ingles. Because he was good at running offense.
Year later, this year, their offensive rating is just flat out stupid for players that aren't MVP candidates. Especially because they play with each other. You have to question how much their selfish basketball takes life out of rest of a roster and how selfishness plagued locker room.
When you look at some shot distribution it's hilarious that people blame role players given context.
Per 40 min in playoffs shot distribution:
Paolo (3rd most in nba) = 25,2 shots a game
Franz (4th most in nba) = 23,6 shots a game
SGA 23,3 - literally MVP
Giannis 21 shots - literally worst supporting cast
Jokić - 19 shots - literally best player in the world
Edwards 20 shots
Siakam -18,3 shots
Jamal Murray 17 shots
Only two guys, who aren't playing together, and shot more than Franz & Paolo per min are Ja Morant and Mitchell.
Once you combine Paolo's highest usage in playoffs among all nba players with fact that per 40 min he isn't even top 50 ( out of 170 who played) in assists, and Franz is hardly scrapping into top top 30 (30th) talking about "supporting cast failing them" is simply trying to find excuses instead of pointing out main guys to blame.
I don't only blame them for them, coaching stuff and front office enabled this nonsense by having roster without PG ( on Weltman) and roster without any offensive structure and order ( on Mosley) .
it's just flat out silly. Basketball is team sport. 5 men have to be involved into offense and defense.
Franz and Paolo simply aren't playmakers, they are players who look for themself first and often first- and only.
Offense where majority of others don't know when, where and will their shots ever come from is bound to fail. Passing hot potato to KCP with 0,4 sec left to avoid missed FGA ( Paolo's special) isn't playmaking.
Throwing hip into defender for 8 sec to shoot long 2 after having no ball movement for 12 sec isn't offensive set.
And non of this would be any different if Suggs and Moe played. It would maybe look bit better vs Celtics, but it would still be 6 games wrap at most.
We need playmaker. Somebody who can lower usage of Paolo and Franz and make them part of the offense. Right now they aren't that. They are ballstoppers on mediocre efficiency and our offense looks like Melo + Iverson = wins happen only if defense holds, but due usage they put "all star numbers". Where their impact on offense is way closer to Lavine & Derozan than anybody is ready to admit.
We needed Paolo to become more like Franz ( off ball cuts) instead Franz turned into Paolo vol 2.
but but we can "develop" them into 6'10 PGs
They are simply not going to get too much better at running an efficient offense from the forward spots. They will likely get more efficient in their scoring, shooting, and minimizing turnovers. They need to re-learn basketball, specifically moving without the ball and being rewarded for it. Paolo's NBA career thus far has been about bad basketball and overcoming unnecessary obstacles...being able to do it on many nights doesn't make it a good idea. Paolo & Franz will WELCOME a PG...to make their lives easier. I never thought these words would leave my keyboard "our offense was better with Fultz"
Now that does NOT mean Fultz was good or good enough for a serious team...but pointing to how Paolo & Franz ran the offense this season as something we can't change is ludicrous. It was a terrible system somewhat salvaged by two exceptional scorers who shouldn't be burdened with so much iso scoring if we have any hope of contending. It's pretty simple, we went into the playoffs against the champs with Cory Joseph starting - how clear is that message? I understand that Suggs was out, but they could have paired KCP with AB or Gary or Trev if they wanted to continue the two SG foolishness. IF CoJo was more of a scoring threat at all, it wouldn't have to be All-P&F all the time.
Among the semi-realistic ones, I think Reaves or Derrick White would be the best options, but toughest to get. Reaves' contract situation isn't a positive, it's a negative, because he's going to expect a big raise and we won't be able to send out as much matching salary to get him (and our players aren't likely enough to entice LAL without serious draft equity-which isn't LAL's priority)...I'd be very happy with Simons, McCollum, Sexton, Coby White as fallbacks but I'd call LAL first. I think BOS will try harder to unload Jrue or Porzingis first and, preferably, to a team like BRK that can offer immediate $$ savings-even expirings don't offer savings until next year (which is not the point with Tatum returning and the focus being contention again). They may be really really bold or just get lucky and move Jrue for some immediate savings.
The Bulls are looking to trade an all-star.Skybox wrote:basketballRob wrote:We don't need any more choir boys. I wouldn't give the Cavs a hard time and 2 bottles of warm pee for Garland or Allen.
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basketballRob wrote:The Bulls are looking to trade an all-star.Skybox wrote:basketballRob wrote:We don't need any more choir boys. I wouldn't give the Cavs a hard time and 2 bottles of warm pee for Garland or Allen.
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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
That was prior to him blowing up post ASB. Dude was on fire for a week or so
It doesn't mean they didn't have preliminary discussions.Skybox wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
That was prior to him blowing up post ASB. Dude was on fire for a week or so
Geez...anybody look at the date
Skybox wrote:basketballRob wrote:The Bulls are looking to trade an all-star.Skybox wrote:
2 All-Stars
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He'd be our best.
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
That was prior to him blowing up post ASB. Dude was on fire for a week or so
They'd want the Phoenix pick.RichCollab wrote:Adding Coby White at 30 million per year for draft capital? Ship out Cole and KCP? Both 1st this year?
Not sure I want to send 3 1st. Maybe they want a future pick with light protections instead?
basketballRob wrote:They'd want the Phoenix pick.RichCollab wrote:Adding Coby White at 30 million per year for draft capital? Ship out Cole and KCP? Both 1st this year?
Not sure I want to send 3 1st. Maybe they want a future pick with light protections instead?
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Idiosyncratic wrote:Coby can't extend until after the year if he wants to make a significant raise right? So if he regresses back to his old numbers he plays back into that 20-25 range as opposed to 30, but if he regresses then you probably didn't do great spending 2 picks.
He is interesting to me. Never know what the Bulls are going to do though. Like in a world where he is guaranteed to remain a 20 ppg guy at a 58+ TS% and they think they will be able to re-sign him in the offseason then 16+25 could make sense. Would try to get the Bulls to give us pick 45 here , give me more 2nd round shots if we are taking on another expensive guy.
But I almost feel like there are just too many variables to the point where it would just make more sense to grab Simons?