Magic(36-26) @ Jazz(33-30)

[G-Heel]

This team could accompilsh a lot without dwight if we had a center and not two undersized power forwards playing the 4 and 5 with two inexperienced underachivers to back them up.

So true. Have to consider replacement value. We don't need an offensive center and could just pick up a guy good at blocking shots and clogging up the paint.

So, lets say we have Noah, how you think we'll do? I'd say we'll win 40 games instead of 25; 1st round exit instead of lottery.

[D12VCMagic]

We are like the worst cluth team in the league with a lead or tied. How many times this season have we come up short or blown in late game situations. i say 75%.

They used to be a good team in the clutch, the problems started in the 1st round against Atlanta last year and it carried on the entire season this year.

Rashard Lewis and Hedo (before he left for Toronto, not current Hedo) were why we used to be clutch. J-Rich, Ryan, etc. have not been clutch since getting here, with the exception of J-Rich's four point play against Philly and one game against Milwaukee this year. Jameer is alright at it sometimes....

Team just isn't as good as it was a few years ago. That same magic isn't there, even when Dwight was playing.

[Last Guardian]

I'm not big on still shooting so many threes without Dwight. But our offense has been better without him, mostly because Jameer is getting to the basket more and is asserting his offense. But he asserted it a little too much tonight. Lame loss, but this is a team going nowhere, we're just waiting for the season to end at this point.

Yea the 3's were disappointing.

vs. Boston - 24 3's (good)
vs. Philly - 18 3's (great)

38 3's tonight is extremely disappointing.

[EasternMagic]

Wow.. Stan is killing Orton in the post game

[FFBlitzace]

Woah, Stan just dumped all over Orton.

[EasternMagic]

Stan is explaining the Jameer last shot choice.

[thelead]

Its horribly put together because it assumes Dwight is a good first option. Shaq and Hakeem would murder with a bunch of shooters around them.

Dwight isn't a top 10 all time center even those guys would have a hard time winning it all with this team. We have a hard time just passing the ball into the paint. Jameer can't pass off the pick in roll. We have not one reliable slasher to create some open looks and easy baskets. We don't have a clutch players like Drexler/Kobe/Wade. We don't play defense. So, while we would be closer, I don't believe we would be real contenders.

[MagicStarwipe]

Wow.. Stan is killing Orton in the post game

Waiting for you to answer me.

[londoncollin]

Woah, Stan just dumped all over Orton.

What did he say?

[EasternMagic]

Wow.. Stan is killing Orton in the post game

Waiting for you to answer me.

I'm waiting for another verbal insult so you get a nice little warning, maybe even a suspension!

[G-Heel]

[quote="thelead"]we're a 25-30 win team without Dwight.

Whats our record against above .500 teams with Dwight?

not good probably since this team is horribly put together. It's probably better than without him though.

Its horribly put together because it assumes Dwight is a good first option. Shaq and Hakeem would murder with a bunch of shooters around them.[/quote]

Shaq with this team would be horrible defensively. On offense, he'll commands even more touches than Dwight, and that's the reason our guys are so bad offensively with Dwight in the first place.

Hakeem will do great with this team, I agree with you, but I doubt championship material.

All of this bring back the point that otis smith did a horrible job building around Dwight.

[JNelson43]

One thing about the offense being better without Dwight and the defense being worse... sometimes there's some give and take when you switch styles or emphasis. A coach isn't going to purposefully be bad on one side of the floor, but a team can sacrifice things on one side of the floor in order to maximize things on the other.

So when I see people trying to tie the better offense [i]directly[i/] to Dwight's absence, I disagree. I think Stan has done more to change the team's philosophy then people think. In other words, we're playing a style that maximizes offense and leads to bad defense (for different reasons). It wouldn't make sense to play at that tempo with the defensive player of the year out there.

So my point is that the "good offense" could be considered something of an illusion and that I don't think Dwight was as bad as first option as some people seem to think... or at least it isn't that simple.

Although I still say Dwight should have been incorporated into the offense better with a good wing player who could create for himself.

[MagicStarwipe]

Wow.. Stan is killing Orton in the post game

Waiting for you to answer me.

I'm waiting for another verbal insult so you get a nice little warning, maybe even a suspension!

Oh so you figured out I was right and it's you who can't properly assess a basketball game? Cool.

How bout this - don't start something you can't finish

[rcklsscognition]

This team could accompilsh a lot without dwight if we had a center and not two undersized power forwards playing the 4 and 5 with two inexperienced underachivers to back them up.

So true. Have to consider replacement value. We don't need an offensive center and could just pick up a guy good at blocking shots and clogging up the paint.

Do you want to continue trying to win by jacking up 38 3's a night. I'm over it. We hit 15 3's in a game on 40% and still lost.

We scored what, 105 points before going to OT and our offense is a problem?

[bigdogdylan5]

Woah, Stan just dumped all over Orton.

What did he say?

What did he say?

[EasternMagic]

Oh so you figured out I was right and it's you who can't properly assess a basketball game? Cool.

nope... you still made a **** assessment. But I'd really like to see you suspended.

[EasternMagic]

Woah, Stan just dumped all over Orton.

What did he say?

What did he say?

basically that Orton's minutes did nothing for us.. he fell for every pump fake and got early fouls. He was pretty straight up mean about it lol.

[rcklsscognition]

This board has gotten so testy with all this Dwight stuff going on. The end of threads is a minefield.

[MagicStarwipe]

Oh so you figured out I was right and it's you who can't properly assess a basketball game? Cool.

nope... you still made a **** assessment. But I'd really like to see you suspended.

Haha I'd love to know why you think Q was in the game over JJ

[G-Heel]

basically that Orton's minutes did nothing for us.. he fell for every pump fake and got early fouls. He was pretty straight up mean about it lol.

Guess that's why he won the least liked coach award.