Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LXI Countdown To Preseason)

[MagicFan41]

Henny said over the weekend that Oladipo will play PG and Harkless has been told to expect minutes as the SG. Sounds to me like harkless is our new 6th man.

Gonna be nice to have a 6'9" SG.

I gotta see what Harkless looks like this year. I was all for him at sg last year but depending on how much he grew and bulked up, he may have locked himself into the sf position for the most part. We shall see.

You can watch vids of him training from a week or two ago. He grew an inch. Didn't really add much weight, just normal offseason progression type stuff.

I'm thinking

Nelson/Oladipo/Moore
Afflalo/Harkless/Oladipo
Harris/Harkless/Osby
Davis/Nicholson/Osby
Vucevic/Maxiell/Davis

MPG
28/16/4
32/14/2
36/10/2
32/14/2
36/10/2

Am I missing something or do you have Oladipo playing 18 MPG...

I assume you meant to swap the Harkless/Oladipo order for SG? So Oladipo plays 30 MPG?

[The Real Dalic]

Henny said over the weekend that Oladipo will play PG and Harkless has been told to expect minutes as the SG. Sounds to me like harkless is our new 6th man.

Gonna be nice to have a 6'9" SG.

This sounds more like he wants to start him at SG to me. I don't think he would need to play any SG if he doesn't start.

Harkless isn't going start over Afflalo unless he has made massive gains since summer league. IMO the only chance he has of starting (without significant improvements) is if Harris is playing PF until Baby is healthy.

You're right. But I was talking more about the future. I think Henny wants to eventually see him as out starting SG sometime down the line, unless we get Wiggins or Parker or Smart which moves Oladipo to the 2.

[woosah]

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I'm thinking

Nelson/Oladipo/Moore
Afflalo/Harkless/Oladipo
Harris/Harkless/Osby
Davis/Nicholson/Osby
Vucevic/Maxiell/Davis

MPG
28/16/4
32/14/2
36/10/2
32/14/2
36/10/2

I think Osby will be like Oquinn last year and we won't see much of him until after trade deadline. I think some of AA's minutes may be at 3 like last year as well if Harkless and Dipo will play some 2, and Harris won't be getting 36 mpg. It's going to be crazy to see all the lineup variations this year. Shame we won't be able to see preseason games to watch things unfold.

[Blue_and_Whte]

So now the type of three he's making matters? The FACT is that Harkless came into the league WITHOUT a 3PT shot and developed one so to me that was a plus while showing work ethic and potential. Also I didn't compare them as a whole offensively, i think right now Harris is the more well rounded scorer, it is MY OPINION that Harkless will close the gap and they will be similar in terms of what you get out of them on that side of the ball.Not that they score the same way.

It ABSOLUTELY matters, Is this serious? You cannot compare shooting almost strictly wide open spot up short corner threes to threes that come off screens in catch and shoots, pull up threes off the bounce from ALL OVER the court and three point line (including top wing and top center threes at the much further distances).

It's not even remotely close to the same shooting ability.

Its the mistake people make when just simply looking and comparing at raw base stats and percentages without analyzing.

Guys point to players like Tracy McGrady shooting sub-30 percentages on threes his first couple years without looking at what type and where the shots came from, t-mac was shooting from legit NBA three range and was getting them off from every angle and defense.

Moe shot 27% WIDE OPEN almost EXCLUSIVELY from the short corners , there is a major major difference there

Right..... hence why you wont find anything in my post saying that they are the same...................................

If you look just slighty past the part you bolded you will notice the following....

The FACT is that Harkless came into the league WITHOUT a 3PT shot and developed one so to me that was a plus while showing work ethic and potential.

So when taken in the correct context what I'm actually saying, isn't that making a 3PT shot from the top of the key versus one from the corner are the same nor am I denying the varying degrees of difficulty in types of 3pt shots made. I also didn't say Harkless makes the same types of 3PT shots Harris does. My point is that Harkless came into the league with NO THREE POINT SHOT but ended the season showing an ability to hit the corner 3.

Now as stated by various people reporters, writers, analysts. He's continued that trend and based on what I've read and what I've seen in SL he's made vast improvments in different areas over a reletively short period of time.

[BadMofoPimp]

I really think Harris will be mainly playing PF most of the time.

[Neon1]

Right..... hence why you wont find anything in my post saying that they are the same...................................

If you look just slighty past the part you bolded you will notice the following....

The FACT is that Harkless came into the league WITHOUT a 3PT shot and developed one so to me that was a plus while showing work ethic and potential.

So when taken in the correct context what I'm actually saying, isn't that making a 3PT shot from the top of the key versus one from the corner are the same nor am I denying the varying degrees of difficulty in types of 3pt shots made. I also didn't say Harkless makes the same types of 3PT shots Harris does. My point is that Harkless came into the league with NO THREE POINT SHOT but ended the season showing an ability to hit the corner 3.

Now as stated by various people reporters, writers, analysts. He's continued that trend and based on what I've read and what I've seen in SL he's made vast improvments in different areas over a reletively short period of time.

Sure, If we were going to ignore the fact that you have repeatedly brought up Harris only shoots 4% better from three numerous times. Seemingly (or possibly purposely, if you are aware of the difference as you say you are).

Almost ANY and EVERY legit NBA skill position player can shoot a wide open corner three, and they can certainly shoot it at a 27% clip.

And you also keep pushing the Summer League, when in reality, the only thing really different was his strength and he played confidently with more consistently. His actual PRODUCTION, even in the summer league was the same (against inferior non nba talent).

http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2013/pl ... index.html

[Komodo]

Can't wait to see Oladipo at PG.

[Driguez]

Nicholson will be riding the bench after BBD comes back, I like him but his game is offensively geared with zero defense.

[rcklsscognition]

When I posted those numbers for minutes last page I did so on the fly off the top of my head, I didn't add numbers up to reach pre-determined totals, just what I thought would pan out. It does seem odd that Oladipo wound up with 18 and 24 for Harkless. Plus no O'Quinn. I dunno, I don't like the lineup as is.

More and more I see Davis as odd man out. With him out of the picture, 32 minutes are up for grabs between Harris and Nicholson. That gives Harkless more minutes at the 3 and backup minutes at the 2. I think you can keep Afflalo and still get everyone minutes, but keeping Davis makes it harder.

[OrlDave]

Henny said over the weekend that Oladipo will play PG and Harkless has been told to expect minutes as the SG. Sounds to me like harkless is our new 6th man.

Gonna be nice to have a 6'9" SG.

I gotta see what Harkless looks like this year. I was all for him at sg last year but depending on how much he grew and bulked up, he may have locked himself into the sf position for the most part. We shall see.

You can watch vids of him training from a week or two ago. He grew an inch. Didn't really add much weight, just normal offseason progression type stuff.

I'm thinking

Nelson/Oladipo/Moore
Afflalo/Harkless/Oladipo
Harris/Harkless/Osby
Davis/Nicholson/Osby
Vucevic/Maxiell/Davis

MPG
28/16/4
32/14/2
36/10/2
32/14/2
36/10/2

Here's my stab.

Nelson/Oladipo/Moore
Afflalo/Harkless/Oladipo
Harris/Harkless/Osby
Davis/Harris/Nicholson
Vucevic/Maxiell/O'Quinn

MPG
28/16/4
30/9/9
22/20/6
30/12/6
36/10/2

So that gives us...

Starters:
Nelson = 28
Aaron = 30
Harris = 34
Davis = 30
Vucevic = 36

Reserves:
Dipo = 25
Moore = 4
Harkless = 29
Osby = 6
Nicholson = 6
Maxiell = 10
O'Quinn = 2

As a note, one of our vets will be gone and this will all change. These numbers are for the start of the year.

[Catledge]

I watched just about all of our summer league games, and I didn't see anything from Harkless that made me think he was going to be significantly better at things that he wasn't already decent at. His shooting still wasn't very good. His ball handling was only marginally better and still not that good by the standards of NBA wing players. He looked stronger, and his finishing at the rim was nice, but that was already his strong suit.

I hope he develops a complete offensive game to go with what seems likely to be elite defensive ability, but I don't see a reason to think he's going to improve more than other players typically do at his age.

[BadMofoPimp]

I watched just about all of our summer league games, and I didn't see anything from Harkless that made me think he was going to be significantly better at things that he wasn't already decent at. His shooting still wasn't very good. His ball handling was only marginally better and still not that good by the standards of NBA wing players. He looked stronger, and his finishing at the rim was nice, but that was already his strong suit.

I hope he develops a complete offensive game to go with what seems likely to be elite defensive ability, but I don't see a reason to think he's going to improve more than other players typically do at his age.

Did you watch him in the Euro games? He killed it on offense and got absolutely destroyed on defense. Career situation player for sure. But, if he is good for 10-15mpg at the position he was drafted, then it is a successful draft pick because I bet half the players drafted before him don't last as long as he does in this league.

[Neon1]

Vucevic made the S.I. NBA Top100 list........at #100 we have nobody else on the list unless somebody is ranked in the top30 somehow.

[thelead]

I watched just about all of our summer league games, and I didn't see anything from Harkless that made me think he was going to be significantly better at things that he wasn't already decent at. His shooting still wasn't very good. His ball handling was only marginally better and still not that good by the standards of NBA wing players. He looked stronger, and his finishing at the rim was nice, but that was already his strong suit.

I hope he develops a complete offensive game to go with what seems likely to be elite defensive ability, but I don't see a reason to think he's going to improve more than other players typically do at his age.

Did you watch him in the Euro games? He killed it on offense and got absolutely destroyed on defense. Career situation player for sure. But, if he is good for 10-15mpg at the position he was drafted, then it is a successful draft pick because I bet half the players drafted before him don't last as long as he does in this league.

Harkless =/= Nicholson

[RYgoBOOM]

I watched just about all of our summer league games, and I didn't see anything from Harkless that made me think he was going to be significantly better at things that he wasn't already decent at. His shooting still wasn't very good. His ball handling was only marginally better and still not that good by the standards of NBA wing players. He looked stronger, and his finishing at the rim was nice, but that was already his strong suit.

I hope he develops a complete offensive game to go with what seems likely to be elite defensive ability, but I don't see a reason to think he's going to improve more than other players typically do at his age.

Did you watch him in the Euro games? He killed it on offense and got absolutely destroyed on defense. Career situation player for sure. But, if he is good for 10-15mpg at the position he was drafted, then it is a successful draft pick because I bet half the players drafted before him don't last as long as he does in this league.

Harkless =/= Nicholson

[BadMofoPimp]

I watched just about all of our summer league games, and I didn't see anything from Harkless that made me think he was going to be significantly better at things that he wasn't already decent at. His shooting still wasn't very good. His ball handling was only marginally better and still not that good by the standards of NBA wing players. He looked stronger, and his finishing at the rim was nice, but that was already his strong suit.

I hope he develops a complete offensive game to go with what seems likely to be elite defensive ability, but I don't see a reason to think he's going to improve more than other players typically do at his age.

Did you watch him in the Euro games? He killed it on offense and got absolutely destroyed on defense. Career situation player for sure. But, if he is good for 10-15mpg at the position he was drafted, then it is a successful draft pick because I bet half the players drafted before him don't last as long as he does in this league.

Harkless =/= Nicholson

I thought he was talking about Nicholson, LOLOLOLOL!

[NickAnderson]

I'm FMLing right now. NBA TV is playing 09 finals game 5

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[Orlwillbeback]

if nelson plays more than oladipo I will stab myself.

[Orlwillbeback]

Here's my stab.

Nelson/Oladipo/Moore
Afflalo/Harkless/Oladipo
Harris/Harkless/Osby
Davis/Harris/Nicholson
Vucevic/Maxiell/O'Quinn

MPG
28/16/4
30/9/9
22/20/6
30/12/6
36/10/2

So that gives us...

Starters:
Nelson = 28
Aaron = 30
Harris = 34
Davis = 30
Vucevic = 36

Reserves:
Dipo = 25
Moore = 4
Harkless = 29
Osby = 6
Nicholson = 6
Maxiell = 10
O'Quinn = 2

As a note, one of our vets will be gone and this will all change. These numbers are for the start of the year.

You guys are forgetting that Nelson will get injured and only play 60 games or so, and we will play Oladipo heavily in those games he is off. I mean REALLY heavily, like 40 mpg.

Oladipo will end the season as a the Rookie of the year because he will log close to 35 mpg.

[magicsanta]

Can't wait to see Oladipo at PG.

can't wait to see us getting an actual PG