Markelle Fultz Updates Thread

[Knightro]

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[j-ragg]

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Love the optimism toward Fultz. But out of all of NBA twitter I think I dislike that guy's account the most.

[pepe1991]

Drools over Fultz driving

posts this about Zion

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Bryan Oringher
@ScoutWithBryan
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Oct 14
a lack of jumper & ability outside a few feet that makes it easier to hone in on during the playoffs. Zion will be unbelievably fun to watch & be must-watch TV. I’m just a bit ahead of the curve reminding you again that amazing efficiency isn’t the same as winning. /3"

Drugs kids, stay off


He also said this year's Doncic is Hero . No, really how he worked in nba for years ? They only hire clowns nowdays like Earl Watson and Scott Brooks ?

[j-ragg]

He also said this year's Doncic is Hero . No, really how he worked in nba for years ? They only hire clowns nowdays like Earl Watson and Scott Brooks ?

He posts clips of himself playing too and hypes himself up... he'd be the worst player at the LA Fitness I play at every week lol. Goofy jumper. It doesn't really matter just kinda funny. Narrates his own clips.

[Knightro]

I think focusing on who wrote the captions on the tweets rather than the actual video the tweets show is a little silly, but to each his own.

[EAS Law]

I think focusing on who wrote the captions on the tweets rather than the actual video the tweets show is a little silly, but to each his own.

It’s just a way to take something that is objectively good or positive and make it bad or diminish how positive it is. Some posters here are virtually professional buzz killingtons.

I haven’t determined whether it’s because they want to be right or if it’s about being contrarian.

[PrimeThyme]

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If he can eventually extend that mid-range form he has to the 3pt line I think we will be in business. That release allows him to get much more elevation and is closer to the one we saw at Washington. His 3pt release is more of a set shot right now and it doesn't look natural. More of a push shot than anything. Not sure why he chooses to shoot 3's the way he does. Maybe he just doesn't have enough strength/repetitions to extend that form out any farther yet.

[j-ragg]

I think focusing on who wrote the captions on the tweets rather than the actual video the tweets show is a little silly, but to each his own.

It’s just a way to take something that is objectively good or positive and make it bad or diminish how positive it is. Some posters here are virtually professional buzz killingtons.

I haven’t determined whether it’s because they want to be right or if it’s about being contrarian.

What in the world lol it was just a comment about the guy's twitter page. Nothing to do with the Fultz stuff and no deeper philosophical meaning. Any positive pub toward Fultz is cool with me I just hate that guys takes but I won't mention it again if that's a problem.

[EAS Law]

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If he can eventually extend that mid-range form he has to the 3pt line I think we will be in business. That release allows him to get much more elevation and is closer to the one we saw at Washington. His 3pt release is more of a set shot right now and it doesn't look natural. More of a push shot than anything. Not sure why he chooses to shoot 3's the way he does. Maybe he just doesn't have enough strength/repetitions to extend that form out any farther yet.

I think that Fultz will eventually be a solid starter—perhaps over the course of his career he might have one or two All-star worthy seasons. Forgetting advanced stats and all which do have their place in evaluation of talent, he just looks like something we haven’t had on the team in a while. I remember that we couldn’t be push through with Elfrid because he was very inconsistent and couldn’t finish or shoot. Fultz is a better shooter than Elf, and he is a terrific finisher.

He could have a game like Derrick Rose in the sense that he is great in transition, can get into the lane, finish, but struggles with a consistent jumper. Of course, D Rose was several levels above anything I expect from Fultz athletically, but the general way they play could be comparable.

It’s all about perception really. If Fultz can become a solid starter capable of all star nights, we won that trade handily and he will have a nice career.

[EAS Law]

I think focusing on who wrote the captions on the tweets rather than the actual video the tweets show is a little silly, but to each his own.

It’s just a way to take something that is objectively good or positive and make it bad or diminish how positive it is. Some posters here are virtually professional buzz killingtons.

I haven’t determined whether it’s because they want to be right or if it’s about being contrarian.

What in the world lol it was just a comment about the guy's twitter page. Nothing to do with the Fultz stuff and no deeper philosophical meaning. Any positive pub toward Fultz is cool with me I just hate that guys takes but I won't mention it again if that's a problem.

Not you man. You just said you didn’t like the guy’s twitter. You don’t regularly post thesis papers on how we certainly have the worst roster in the NBA every time someone has a nice game.

[ezzzp]

See, anything Fultz did shooting wise in college is completely irrelevant in my eyes. This isnt a case of a player's shooting just not translating to the NBA (like Lonzo for example). This is a case of a player coming into the league and completely changing his shot mechanics. We know he did this the summer before entering the league. You can debate the reasons why he did it all you want (I think he got injured and did it out out of necessity), but the fact of the matter is that he did.

Now we are in a lot of ways starting from ground zero with him. A 3pt shot isnt even a part of his skill set right now. He is a long way away from it being a part of his game imo too. In the meantime, I think he will continue to get more comfortable taking that mid-range shot and finishing around the basket.

Yea, I agree. He's basically rebuilt his shot from scratch and right now its somewhere in the 1Q. Everything else is there still, that dynamic and fluid agility on-ball, the athleticism, the physical gifts are all there. Now it will just take time to gradually get the +18ft shooting back to strength. Might never get back to 100% of the pull-up shot maker level he had in college, but he doesn't need to be that to be a solid starter.

Really, with a PnR ball handler with his ability to get into the paint, the shot that will matter most is the short range jumper (inside or edge of painted area). If he gets stopped in that area, he needs to punish the defense by hitting that shot or creating a shot for someone else. That will force defenses to stay tight or even throw multiple defenders at him when there. Its one of the key things that makes DeRozan so lethal. I think he has the capacity to be moderately effective in that range if he stays healthy.

I would like Clifford to run a couple of plays were he creates a catch/shoot 3PTer opportunity for Fultz from the short corner. He looks like he can attack closeouts well along the baseline, and if left open - that's the best distance to start getting him acclimated.

[pepe1991]

He also said this year's Doncic is Hero . No, really how he worked in nba for years ? They only hire clowns nowdays like Earl Watson and Scott Brooks ?

He posts clips of himself playing too and hypes himself up... he'd be the worst player at the LA Fitness I play at every week lol. Goofy jumper. It doesn't really matter just kinda funny. Narrates his own clips.

Man i should do draft review of myself
" lack of shooting compensate with lack of stamina"

[j-ragg]

He also said this year's Doncic is Hero . No, really how he worked in nba for years ? They only hire clowns nowdays like Earl Watson and Scott Brooks ?

He posts clips of himself playing too and hypes himself up... he'd be the worst player at the LA Fitness I play at every week lol. Goofy jumper. It doesn't really matter just kinda funny. Narrates his own clips.

Man i should do draft review of myself
" lack of shooting compensate with lack of stamina"

I feel like after you get out of your 20s everyone can relate with the lack of stamina lol.

[penny_nz]

For me the biggest takeaway from preseason with Fultz has been he has handled the minutes and even without a reliable 3 ball or a real desire to shoot it, he is obviously able to impact the game in a positive way on both ends of the floor. I think game time this season is going to do him, and his confidence, the world of good. Being able to work on his shortfalls whilst still getting game time and being a contributor should help keep his morale high.

[fendilim]

The Good and Bad of Markelle Fultz in Preseason

THE GOOD
-He's making a positive impact on the floor.
Fultz's +3.6 NET is the 5th best of the Magic's 13 guaranteed contract players and the 3rd best of guys who've played all 5 preseason games. Even with the last two games being blowout losses, Fultz still has a strong NET which is a good sign.

-He's a very skilled and capable passer.
Fultz is averaging 7.9 AST per 36 with a 32.4 AST%. That ranks No. 1 on the team. His AST% would have ranked No. 1 on the Magic last season would have ranked No. 15 in the entire NBA.

-He's capable of turning defense into offense.
While Fultz hasn't been a statistically strong defender in the preseason, he is averaging 3.2 STL per 36 which is a tremendously high number. The Magic were 26th in the league last year in steals, just 6.6 per game, and can really help out their offensive struggles by getting easy points in transition off turnovers.

-He doesn't need to be set up by anyone else to score.
His finishing and shooting haven't been there yet, but 73.3% of Fultz's field goals made have been unassisted, the most on the team by a massive margin in the preseason and also that figure would have ranked No. 1 on last year's Magic as well.

-Hit FT stroke *looks* fine.
It's a very small sample size, but Fultz has made 5-7 FTs and has shown no signs of a hitch from the line. A .714% isn't spectacular, but it's a lot more tenable and workable than his .534 career mark.

THE BAD
-He's shooting the ball *terribly* right now.
There's no real way to slice this in a positive way. 31.9 eFG%, 34.9 TS%. 0-5 from three. The fact that his offensive rating is still 102.7 with these horrific shooting numbers is a testament to his passing abilities and his skill in transition.

-He's still an unwilling shooter from any sort of distance.
Fultz isn't afraid to shoot the ball. He's averaging a shade under 17 FGAs per 36 minutes. Unfortunately, he is still very hesitant to shoot threes at just 1.8 3PTA per 36 minutes. It's just going to be very difficult to maintain a consistent offense when the player playing on the ball is no threat to shoot outside of 15 feet.

-Despite improved an improved stroke, he still appears a little hesitant to attacking the rim with foul drawing aggressiveness.
2.5 FTA per 36 minutes is not going to work for someone who attacks as often as he does. I would like to see him trade in some of the really difficult twisting circus style layup attempts we've seen for him just getting into the defenders chest and drawing contact. I do think he'll eventually start drawing more whistles if he keeps attacking at the rate he has been, but it does appear to my untrained eyes that he's still trying to avoid contact at the rim in a lot of cases.

really good breakdown.

The only problem with fultz is his shooting range tbh. I think he has the free throw range going, but farther than that, its likely going to miss. All of his negatives are tied to his shooting really, but i think this can be balanced out if he becomes elite at something.

Although, without shooting, i dont think he can be the guy that takes us to the next level. Theres just too much to give up without having the long range 3pt shot in your arsenal in today’s nba. And how quick will our team adjust in the playoffs when opponents focus more on exploiting your weaknesses than during the regular season?

[thelead]

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really good breakdown.

The only problem with fultz is his shooting range tbh. I think he has the free throw range going, but farther than that, its likely going to miss. All of his negatives are tied to his shooting really, but i think this can be balanced out if he becomes elite at something.

Although, without shooting, i dont think he can be the guy that takes us to the next level. Theres just too much to give up without having the long range 3pt shot in your arsenal in today’s nba. And how quick will our team adjust in the playoffs when opponents focus more on exploiting your weaknesses than during the regular season?

We traded Simmons and 3 2nd round picks for Fultz. If 'all' he becomes is our 'Shaun Livingston' for a decade, that's a hell of a deal for us.

[shadrock]

The Good and Bad of Markelle Fultz in Preseason

THE GOOD
-He's making a positive impact on the floor.
Fultz's +3.6 NET is the 5th best of the Magic's 13 guaranteed contract players and the 3rd best of guys who've played all 5 preseason games. Even with the last two games being blowout losses, Fultz still has a strong NET which is a good sign.

-He's a very skilled and capable passer.
Fultz is averaging 7.9 AST per 36 with a 32.4 AST%. That ranks No. 1 on the team. His AST% would have ranked No. 1 on the Magic last season would have ranked No. 15 in the entire NBA.

-He's capable of turning defense into offense.
While Fultz hasn't been a statistically strong defender in the preseason, he is averaging 3.2 STL per 36 which is a tremendously high number. The Magic were 26th in the league last year in steals, just 6.6 per game, and can really help out their offensive struggles by getting easy points in transition off turnovers.

-He doesn't need to be set up by anyone else to score.
His finishing and shooting haven't been there yet, but 73.3% of Fultz's field goals made have been unassisted, the most on the team by a massive margin in the preseason and also that figure would have ranked No. 1 on last year's Magic as well.

-Hit FT stroke *looks* fine.
It's a very small sample size, but Fultz has made 5-7 FTs and has shown no signs of a hitch from the line. A .714% isn't spectacular, but it's a lot more tenable and workable than his .534 career mark.

THE BAD
-He's shooting the ball *terribly* right now.
There's no real way to slice this in a positive way. 31.9 eFG%, 34.9 TS%. 0-5 from three. The fact that his offensive rating is still 102.7 with these horrific shooting numbers is a testament to his passing abilities and his skill in transition.

-He's still an unwilling shooter from any sort of distance.
Fultz isn't afraid to shoot the ball. He's averaging a shade under 17 FGAs per 36 minutes. Unfortunately, he is still very hesitant to shoot threes at just 1.8 3PTA per 36 minutes. It's just going to be very difficult to maintain a consistent offense when the player playing on the ball is no threat to shoot outside of 15 feet.

-Despite improved an improved stroke, he still appears a little hesitant to attacking the rim with foul drawing aggressiveness.
2.5 FTA per 36 minutes is not going to work for someone who attacks as often as he does. I would like to see him trade in some of the really difficult twisting circus style layup attempts we've seen for him just getting into the defenders chest and drawing contact. I do think he'll eventually start drawing more whistles if he keeps attacking at the rate he has been, but it does appear to my untrained eyes that he's still trying to avoid contact at the rim in a lot of cases.

really good breakdown.

The only problem with fultz is his shooting range tbh. I think he has the free throw range going, but farther than that, its likely going to miss. All of his negatives are tied to his shooting really, but i think this can be balanced out if he becomes elite at something.

Although, without shooting, i dont think he can be the guy that takes us to the next level. Theres just too much to give up without having the long range 3pt shot in your arsenal in today’s nba. And how quick will our team adjust in the playoffs when opponents focus more on exploiting your weaknesses than during the regular season?

Im actually not too worried about Fultz not having 3pt range. If he can play well in the mid range, that might be enough. Not being able to shoot threes is normally only an issue because the defender sags off and then the player finds it hard to get into the paint. Fultz is gifted enough that he will still be able to get into the paint regardless. Obviously a rspectable 3 pt shot would help, but i dont think its going to be a career make or break type thing like it was with Elfrid. Fultz is taller, more dynamic, more shifty and a better passer.

[pepe1991]

Notion that this, post college version of Fultz is good mid range shooter is simply false.
one of biggest reaons why he always gets good looks there is because nobody wants to guard him inside 3 point line if it's not layup.
Over two nba seasons ( but just 33 games) he shot:

3- 10 feet - 24%
10-16 feet - 34%
16- to 3 point line 26%

On video Knightro posted you can see big staying "home" without any desire to contest his shot. And that has been a case through preseason. Only shot i remember being contested was one vs Detroit.

He also isn't shy from shooting them, in regular season 42% of all his shots were mid range shots and as horrid as it sounds, he was actually more effetive 3 point shooter than mid range shooter, granted, on super low number of attemps.

By far his biggest strenght is driving and finishing around rim.

Anyway, i see Fultz still draws lot of comments and people still are conflicted about his sudden loss of ability to play basketball. Tbh i don't think we will find out what really happen until his career is over. Maybe one day in some documentary.
Guy exited college being 42% three point shooter, and entered summer league, 3 months later, being broken player.

[fendilim]

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really good breakdown.

The only problem with fultz is his shooting range tbh. I think he has the free throw range going, but farther than that, its likely going to miss. All of his negatives are tied to his shooting really, but i think this can be balanced out if he becomes elite at something.

Although, without shooting, i dont think he can be the guy that takes us to the next level. Theres just too much to give up without having the long range 3pt shot in your arsenal in today’s nba. And how quick will our team adjust in the playoffs when opponents focus more on exploiting your weaknesses than during the regular season?

We traded Simmons and 3 2nd round picks for Fultz. If 'all' he becomes is our 'Shaun Livingston' for a decade, that's a hell of a deal for us.

i know what we traded for him. Really, its a robbery at this point.

But the way management seem to put all eggs in his basket, i really dont know why they did it.

[fendilim]

The Good and Bad of Markelle Fultz in Preseason

THE GOOD
-He's making a positive impact on the floor.
Fultz's +3.6 NET is the 5th best of the Magic's 13 guaranteed contract players and the 3rd best of guys who've played all 5 preseason games. Even with the last two games being blowout losses, Fultz still has a strong NET which is a good sign.

-He's a very skilled and capable passer.
Fultz is averaging 7.9 AST per 36 with a 32.4 AST%. That ranks No. 1 on the team. His AST% would have ranked No. 1 on the Magic last season would have ranked No. 15 in the entire NBA.

-He's capable of turning defense into offense.
While Fultz hasn't been a statistically strong defender in the preseason, he is averaging 3.2 STL per 36 which is a tremendously high number. The Magic were 26th in the league last year in steals, just 6.6 per game, and can really help out their offensive struggles by getting easy points in transition off turnovers.

-He doesn't need to be set up by anyone else to score.
His finishing and shooting haven't been there yet, but 73.3% of Fultz's field goals made have been unassisted, the most on the team by a massive margin in the preseason and also that figure would have ranked No. 1 on last year's Magic as well.

-Hit FT stroke *looks* fine.
It's a very small sample size, but Fultz has made 5-7 FTs and has shown no signs of a hitch from the line. A .714% isn't spectacular, but it's a lot more tenable and workable than his .534 career mark.

THE BAD
-He's shooting the ball *terribly* right now.
There's no real way to slice this in a positive way. 31.9 eFG%, 34.9 TS%. 0-5 from three. The fact that his offensive rating is still 102.7 with these horrific shooting numbers is a testament to his passing abilities and his skill in transition.

-He's still an unwilling shooter from any sort of distance.
Fultz isn't afraid to shoot the ball. He's averaging a shade under 17 FGAs per 36 minutes. Unfortunately, he is still very hesitant to shoot threes at just 1.8 3PTA per 36 minutes. It's just going to be very difficult to maintain a consistent offense when the player playing on the ball is no threat to shoot outside of 15 feet.

-Despite improved an improved stroke, he still appears a little hesitant to attacking the rim with foul drawing aggressiveness.
2.5 FTA per 36 minutes is not going to work for someone who attacks as often as he does. I would like to see him trade in some of the really difficult twisting circus style layup attempts we've seen for him just getting into the defenders chest and drawing contact. I do think he'll eventually start drawing more whistles if he keeps attacking at the rate he has been, but it does appear to my untrained eyes that he's still trying to avoid contact at the rim in a lot of cases.

really good breakdown.

The only problem with fultz is his shooting range tbh. I think he has the free throw range going, but farther than that, its likely going to miss. All of his negatives are tied to his shooting really, but i think this can be balanced out if he becomes elite at something.

Although, without shooting, i dont think he can be the guy that takes us to the next level. Theres just too much to give up without having the long range 3pt shot in your arsenal in today’s nba. And how quick will our team adjust in the playoffs when opponents focus more on exploiting your weaknesses than during the regular season?

Im actually not too worried about Fultz not having 3pt range. If he can play well in the mid range, that might be enough. Not being able to shoot threes is normally only an issue because the defender sags off and then the player finds it hard to get into the paint. Fultz is gifted enough that he will still be able to get into the paint regardless. Obviously a rspectable 3 pt shot would help, but i dont think its going to be a career make or break type thing like it was with Elfrid. Fultz is taller, more dynamic, more shifty and a better passer.

Yes, i think as long as he can be a force in the midrange as well, i think he’ll do good. I think, with his shot creation, he can be a magnet on offense that sucks the defense which creates open shots for the 4 other players. Key here is to get more shooters around him tho.