Official Spec Thread: I guess now's the time to blow this dumpster fire up and bask in the glow!

[JBSouthpaw]

Most of Booker's points were at the rim, from what I saw.

With Lauri and Vuc, teams will just attack the paint whenever they need points.
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If a perimeter player stays in front of their player, he doesn't get to the rim.
all points scored at the rim aren't on the center.

AND if you go here and select his shot chart, where at least 11 made shots were out of the paint.
https://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401307520

But I'm sure you only saw the baskets he made at the rim or this was an April Fools joke?

The game is not allowed to be played that way. You can't hand-check a player and all teams switch on defense which means Vuc is often dropping back in coverage and allowing a guy like Booker to take uncontested 15 foot jumpers (if not 3's).... and if he does try to close the gap, he's too slow and not long enough to recover. You need a JI/AD/Giannis next to a player like Vuc to be successful.

I just want to make sure you and bballRob are killing Mo and Carter because NAW got 31!

Good minutes by both bigs, Mo's 1st half much better than his 2nd half.
Not sure how coach doesn't start Carter.

[JBSouthpaw]

These are the only players on the Magic that matter:

Markelle Fultz, 22
Chuma Okeke, 22
Jonathan Isaac, 23
Wendell Carter, 21

Cole Anthony, 20
Karim Mane, 20
RJ Hampton, 20
Mo Bamba, 22

Plus 2 1st rounders. If they wanna keep Gary Harris around...he's a whopping 25 years old.

Otto Porter - expiring
James Ennis - expiring
Khem Birch - expiring
Chasson Randle - expiring
Dwayne Bacon - unguaranteed

Michael Williams Carter - who cares?
Terrence Ross - The Godfather

We may draft a player in the 2nd round older than most of those players, depending who's left.
(I wouldn't mind Chris Duarte, a 6-6 SR. combo guard, who will be 24 at draft, go look at his shooting)

[basketballRob]

If a perimeter player stays in front of their player, he doesn't get to the rim.
all points scored at the rim aren't on the center.

AND if you go here and select his shot chart, where at least 11 made shots were out of the paint.
https://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401307520

But I'm sure you only saw the baskets he made at the rim or this was an April Fools joke?

The game is not allowed to be played that way. You can't hand-check a player and all teams switch on defense which means Vuc is often dropping back in coverage and allowing a guy like Booker to take uncontested 15 foot jumpers (if not 3's).... and if he does try to close the gap, he's too slow and not long enough to recover. You need a JI/AD/Giannis next to a player like Vuc to be successful.

I just want to make sure you and bballRob are killing Mo and Carter because NAW got 31!

Good minutes by both bigs, Mo's 1st half much better than his 2nd half.
Not sure how coach doesn't start Carter.

Cliff definitely starts Carter, hopefully Mo doesn't sulk, because he can still be a big part of the team. Plus both guys have a history of being injured, so Mo may get a chance later. If Cliff starts playing Mo behind Birch again, he probably gets fired.

You and I both know we got better defensively after the trade. Vuc and Evan hustled, but just weren't gifted on that end.

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[bigdogdylan5]

The game is not allowed to be played that way. You can't hand-check a player and all teams switch on defense which means Vuc is often dropping back in coverage and allowing a guy like Booker to take uncontested 15 foot jumpers (if not 3's).... and if he does try to close the gap, he's too slow and not long enough to recover. You need a JI/AD/Giannis next to a player like Vuc to be successful.

I just want to make sure you and bballRob are killing Mo and Carter because NAW got 31!

Good minutes by both bigs, Mo's 1st half much better than his 2nd half.
Not sure how coach doesn't start Carter.

Cliff definitely starts Carter, hopefully Mo doesn't sulk, because he can still be a big part of the team. Plus both guys have a history of being injured, so Mo may get a chance later. If Cliff starts playing Mo behind Birch again, he probably gets fired.

You and I both know we got better defensively after the trade. Vuc and Evan hustled, but just weren't gifted on that end.

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I am still convinced that Mo and Carter can play together. Idk who came up with the bullcrap he can’t defend 4s his lateral defensive quickness is very good and Cliff praised it. He would cover up some of Bamba’s weaknesses though we need to get Mo better at those areas so maybe right now it wouldn’t be wise

[JBSouthpaw]

I just want to make sure you and bballRob are killing Mo and Carter because NAW got 31!

Good minutes by both bigs, Mo's 1st half much better than his 2nd half.
Not sure how coach doesn't start Carter.

Cliff definitely starts Carter, hopefully Mo doesn't sulk, because he can still be a big part of the team. Plus both guys have a history of being injured, so Mo may get a chance later. If Cliff starts playing Mo behind Birch again, he probably gets fired.

You and I both know we got better defensively after the trade. Vuc and Evan hustled, but just weren't gifted on that end.

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I am still convinced that Mo and Carter can play together. Idk who came up with the bullcrap he can’t defend 4s his lateral defensive quickness is very good and Cliff praised it. He would cover up some of Bamba’s weaknesses though we need to get Mo better at those areas so maybe right now it wouldn’t be wise

I've tried not to comment on Carter too much either way, b/c I just haven't seen him enough, but he did move pretty well last night.
I liked how they used some of the plays than ran for Vuc for Carter. He made some nice rolls to the rim.
We have a pretty good offensive rebounding team with Birch, Mo, Carter, Okeke and the guards do pretty good too.

[PrimeThyme]

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I would be shocked if Clifford didn't start WCJ going forward. He raved about him in the presser.

[drsd]

These are the only players on the Magic that matter:

Markelle Fultz, 22
Chuma Okeke, 22
Jonathan Isaac, 23
Wendell Carter, 21

Cole Anthony, 20
Karim Mane, 20
RJ Hampton, 20
Mo Bamba, 22

Plus 2 1st rounders. If they wanna keep Gary Harris around...he's a whopping 25 years old.

Otto Porter - expiring
James Ennis - expiring
Khem Birch - expiring
Chasson Randle - expiring
Dwayne Bacon - unguaranteed

Michael Williams Carter - who cares?
Terrence Ross - The Godfather

We may draft a player in the 2nd round older than most of those players, depending who's left.
(I wouldn't mind Chris Duarte, a 6-6 SR. combo guard, who will be 24 at draft, go look at his shooting)

If the Magic slide down to 6 and the Bulls pick holds, Orlando could be looking at Moses Moody and Franz Wagner in the first round. Then up top in the second, I would think the Magic draft for need, and that need would be 3rd string Center. Names could be: Alperen Sengun, Drew Timme, and Filip Petrusev (this draft is not Center deep). I will go with Timme because I like his 'stach.

Orlando would be based on all of this:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Mané/Fultz(injured)
Harris/Hampton/Moody
Isaac/Ross/Bacon
Okeke/Wagner
Carter/Bamba/Timme

A bit of a small-ball team. But very versatile.


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[MagicTownBaller]

What is Fultz and Isaac expected return? I was under the impression they should be ready by camp or preseason.

[JBSouthpaw]

These are the only players on the Magic that matter:

Markelle Fultz, 22
Chuma Okeke, 22
Jonathan Isaac, 23
Wendell Carter, 21

Cole Anthony, 20
Karim Mane, 20
RJ Hampton, 20
Mo Bamba, 22

Plus 2 1st rounders. If they wanna keep Gary Harris around...he's a whopping 25 years old.

Otto Porter - expiring
James Ennis - expiring
Khem Birch - expiring
Chasson Randle - expiring
Dwayne Bacon - unguaranteed

Michael Williams Carter - who cares?
Terrence Ross - The Godfather

We may draft a player in the 2nd round older than most of those players, depending who's left.
(I wouldn't mind Chris Duarte, a 6-6 SR. combo guard, who will be 24 at draft, go look at his shooting)

If the Magic slide down to 6 and the Bulls pick holds, Orlando could be looking at Moses Moody and Franz Wagner in the first round. Then up top in the second, I would think the Magic draft for need, and that need would be 3rd string Center. Names could be: Alperen Sengun, Drew Timme, and Filip Petrusev (this draft is not Center deep). I will go with Timme because I like his 'stach.

Orlando would be based on all of this:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Mané/Fultz(injured)
Harris/Hampton/Moody
Isaac/Ross/Bacon
Okeke/Wagner
Carter/Bamba/Timme

A bit of a small-ball team. But very versatile.
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There are quite a few players that I'd be happy with in the 2nd round, including Timme.
I really wanted a shooter with the 2nd pick, 1st choice would be Mann, but I think he'll be gone. That is why I like Duarte.
He shot 60/40/80 on 2pt FG/3pt FG/FTs. Other stats are good too.
I'd prefer not to let MCW see the floor much, and Duarte being 6'6 could pair nicely with the other guards defensively, especially Cole.

[JBSouthpaw]

What is Fultz and Isaac expected return? I was under the impression they should be ready by camp or preseason.

I think J.I. will be good at the start of the season, it will be over a year for him.
Fultz injury was in January, so I expect January 22. If it happens faster, well see.

[MagicTownBaller]

What is Fultz and Isaac expected return? I was under the impression they should be ready by camp or preseason.

I think J.I. will be good at the start of the season, it will be over a year for him.
Fultz injury was in January, so I expect January 22. If it happens faster, well see.

From what I was reading about ACL tears nowadays it's anywhere from 6-12 months but I always thought it was 9 months for NBA players, he should be good to go close to start of season, or even November.

[JBSouthpaw]

What is Fultz and Isaac expected return? I was under the impression they should be ready by camp or preseason.

I think J.I. will be good at the start of the season, it will be over a year for him.
Fultz injury was in January, so I expect January 22. If it happens faster, well see.

From what I was reading about ACL tears nowadays it's anywhere from 6-12 months but I always thought it was 9 months for NBA players, he should be good to go close to start of season, or even November.

Don't think he actually had surgery until February.

[Nyce_1]

I think J.I. will be good at the start of the season, it will be over a year for him.
Fultz injury was in January, so I expect January 22. If it happens faster, well see.

From what I was reading about ACL tears nowadays it's anywhere from 6-12 months but I always thought it was 9 months for NBA players, he should be good to go close to start of season, or even November.

Don't think he actually had surgery until February.

Fultz had surgery Jan 20th.

[drsd]

What is Fultz and Isaac expected return? I was under the impression they should be ready by camp or preseason.

Isaac is expected opening night and Fultz around Jan 2022.


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[Skin]

These are the only players on the Magic that matter:

Markelle Fultz, 22 DOESN'T PLAY, HAS ACL TEAR
Chuma Okeke, 22
Jonathan Isaac, 23 DOESN'T PLAY, HAS ACL TEAR
Wendell Carter, 21

Cole Anthony, 20 DOESN'T PLAY
Karim Mane, 20 G LEAGUE BODY
RJ Hampton, 20 AVERAGES 16 mpg, will fall off rotation when Harris returns
Mo Bamba, 22 Turns 23 in a month

Plus 2 1st rounders. If they wanna keep Gary Harris around...he's a whopping 25 years old.

Otto Porter - expiring BUT PLAYS FOR CONTRACT
James Ennis - expiring BUT PLAYS FOR CONTRACT
Khem Birch - expiring BUT PLAYS FOR CONTRACT
Chasson Randle - expiring
Dwayne Bacon - unguaranteed BUT PLAYS FOR CONTRACT

Michael Williams Carter - who cares? IS YOUR STARTING PG NOW
Terrence Ross - The Godfather

WILL TAKE MOST SHOTS ON A TEAM


I askeed who execlly Magic are DEVELOPING RIGHT now. So i will go through your post ( red ink) to point out how stupid things are.

Magic beat Pelicans on 38 min of Ennis, 33 min of Bacon and 21 shots of Ross.

We are ONE WIN AWAY FROM 6TH WORST RECORD. We are doing it again,we again, pretend that we are "teaching culture" by destroying our lottery odds, when we in reality just allow too many vets that use as polygon for better contracts.

Won two games in a row, not because we are good ,but because teams sit out best players against us. Instad of pretty much making up injuries of key players and holding them back ( Ross, Bacon = 34 shots taken out ) we just YOLO it.

How dumb things are is best viewed through fact that we rather play mid season signed PG Randle, who is 27 years old bum, over 19 years old Hampton who allegedly this front office "liked before draft". So, in a game their min distribution was: 35 min and 16 shots to Randle, 18 min and 6 shots to Hampton

Art of being irrelevant year after year.

I see what you are saying. You mean at this very point in time. I took from the approach based on our future and the main core of this team going forward. So yeah, I agree with you and I'm totally frustrated with Clifford and the veterans who are hogging up time so they can showcase themselves for new contracts this summer.

I'm happy that Chuma, WCj, Bamba are finally getting a chance to develop and it's happening rapidly, so at least 3 young players are developing right before our eyes. Hampton needs floor time because he's a loose cannon and he has to let the game slow down for him. He needs to work this summer on figuring out where his sweet spots are and he also needs to tighten up his handle.

[Knightro]

I don't see any reason why Isaac won't be ready for the start of next season. It will have been 14 1/2 months since he last played by the time next season begins. If he's not ready to play by then, then something went really wrong.

Fultz probably won't be back until midseason.

[Knightro]

From what I was reading about ACL tears nowadays it's anywhere from 6-12 months but I always thought it was 9 months for NBA players, he should be good to go close to start of season, or even November.

Yeah I mean it all depends on the player.

Al Jefferson tore his Feb 2009 and was back October 2009. 8 months.
David West tore his March 2011 and was back December 2011. 9 months.
Kendrick Perkins tore his June 2010 and was back January 2011. 6 months.
Ricky Rubio tore his March 2012 and was back December 2012. 9 months
Derrick Rose tore his April 2012 and missed the entire next season. Didn't come back until October 2013. 18 months.
Kristaps Porzingis tore his February 2018 and missed the entire next season. Didn't come back until October 2019. 20 months.

[Def Swami]

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I would be shocked if Clifford didn't start WCJ going forward. He raved about him in the presser.

If you're earning 32 minutes in your 3rd game under Clifford, he must really trust you. Bamba has been here 3 years and I don't think he has ever cracked 30 minutes.

[CLosP]

The problem is Coach Clifford, he's too good of a coach and never going to focus on out and out development over wins.

We could easily sit Ross, and waive Birch and MCW. Then sign a few G League players who have potential and just play and rotate and young team the last 22 games. We need a coach who will do that Brett Brown used too. Even Corbin or an assistant for a few months. I like clifford, he doesn't make sense with this roster though

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I agree with this 100%. Clifford isn’t going to want to tank and teams aren’t going to play hard against us. Playing guys like Birch, Ennis is a waste of time because they aren’t in the long term plans. Clifford is a really good coach but not sure if he’s the right coach for a rebuild. I think a lot of people expect us to bounce back in one season but I just don’t see it at this time. Development should be key and he’s going to play veterans he likes.

[Skybox]

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I would be shocked if Clifford didn't start WCJ going forward. He raved about him in the presser.

If you're earning 32 minutes in your 3rd game under Clifford, he must really trust you. Bamba has been here 3 years and I don't think he has ever cracked 30 minutes.

To be even remotely fair, you need to factor Vuc into that statement. The job is up for grabs today...it never was before.