Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 6.0

[CarraT]

I think he was brought in to play in the G-League his rookie season.

I've come to realize something about Weltman's culture. It values the person over the player and provides each person a path to be the best player they can be.

This explains why he kept both lottery picks yet Mosley played veterans over them. In this culture, Fultz and Harris had earned the chance to see the rebuild through to the end of their contracts. They were the starting backcourt of a team that improved by +12 wins after all.

In this culture it is not ok to sign or draft a person and not be transparent about their path to success as a player. So it would follow that Jett knew what his path to playing time was upfront, and that he agreed to play in the G-League.

Something like that.

I'm sorry man, but if a 34-win team - which is what the Magic were when they made the Black and Howard picks - drafts a player 11th overall with the intention of playing that player in the G-League the entire season, that is straight up idiocy.

He straight up shouldn't have been picked if that was the plan and I firmly stand by that.

Well he was and that seems to have been the plan. So if he works out....

Why does that "seems to have been the plan?" If so, they wouldve communicate that right away. More realistic is, he was just way worse in training camp than they expected him to be while draft and so they decided he is not an nba play atm.

[fendilim]

Gleague will slowly be relevant to developing players.

There is no way nba teams are spending their operation without getting any benefit.

[drsd]

Gleague will slowly be relevant to developing players.

There is no way nba teams are spending their operation without getting any benefit.

This discounts that the Osceola Magic is a business itself, and is tasked with generating profit.

Let's say the ticket gate generate about 500k per annum. That pays for all the players. Add sponsorships, and the team basically breaks even.

[fendilim]

Gleague will slowly be relevant to developing players.

There is no way nba teams are spending their operation without getting any benefit.

This discounts that the Osceola Magic is a business itself, and is tasked with generating profit.

Let's say the ticket gate generate about 500k per annum. That pays for all the players. Add sponsorships, and the team basically breaks even.

The nba is a business, eventually teams will try to maximize for more profit.

[SOUL]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40417851/nba-offseason-2024-how-18-teams-impacted-cba-new-restrictions

[pepe1991]

Gleague will slowly be relevant to developing players.

There is no way nba teams are spending their operation without getting any benefit.

You base this off what?
D league exists since 2001. From rebranding, changing names, adding more team, 23 years later you still have glorified pickup games played by mostly mid to late 20s players that aren't good enough to nba and are too old to reprogram to play in Europe ( or any other league where concept of team will be more important than individual quality ).


G league Ingnite was massive NBA project, they even added ex nba players ( Amir Johnson, Jett etc) to showcase new talent and be alternative for college.
Instad, all players that arived from Ignite were so raw that it took even best among them ( Green & Kuminga ) THREE years of reprograming in in nba to even be considered okey/Playable/Net -not-negative.
Both teams who drafted them ( Houston & Warriors )- had much better alternatives elewhere, in tradidional college pickups ( Barnes, Mobley, Franz ...).

Others from Ignite are some of the most raw, unplayable players i've seen in very long time:
Scoot Henderson- PG who can hardly dribble the ball straight forward
Dyson Daniels- can't get PT as lottery pick on 15 wins team. Should i add anything to this?

Even Hoops Hype article comes to conclusion... Well . read it yourself

So in that regard, it seems like the G League wasn’t a great level of basketball to prepare these prep stars for life in the NBA. The league’s lack of big men that remotely resemble NBA bigs (pro-level big men who aren’t good enough for the NBA almost always end up in either Europe or Asia where they are well-compensated, and rarely stick it out in the G League) and it’s up-and-down all-offense, no-defense style were great for these prospects to flash and put up stats, but as far as developing them for the NBA?

Other avenues, such as college or pro ball in Europe, would have probably been better for that.

And that's where i'm standing at. You have a league where it's just whole bunch of players play for noting but self- promotion.
Do you know who won G league championship? I don't. What G league champion gets? Nothing. What's the point of winning or losing? Is there draft to tank for? Nop. Whole concept of a league is so anti-competitive that it's sad.

[fendilim]

Gleague will slowly be relevant to developing players.

There is no way nba teams are spending their operation without getting any benefit.

You base this off what?
D league exists since 2001. From rebranding, changing names, adding more team, 23 years later you still have glorified pickup games played by mostly mid to late 20s players that aren't good enough to nba and are too old to reprogram to play in Europe ( or any other league where concept of team will be more important than individual quality ).


G league Ingnite was massive NBA project, they even added ex nba players ( Amir Johnson, Jett etc) to showcase new talent and be alternative for college.
Instad, all players that arived from Ignite were so raw that it took even best among them ( Green & Kuminga ) THREE years of reprograming in in nba to even be considered okey/Playable/Net -not-negative.
Both teams who drafted them ( Houston & Warriors )- had much better alternatives elewhere, in tradidional college pickups ( Barnes, Mobley, Franz ...).

Others from Ignite are some of the most raw, unplayable players i've seen in very long time:
Scoot Henderson- PG who can hardly dribble the ball straight forward
Dyson Daniels- can't get PT as lottery pick on 15 wins team. Should i add anything to this?

Even Hoops Hype article comes to conclusion... Well . read it yourself

So in that regard, it seems like the G League wasn’t a great level of basketball to prepare these prep stars for life in the NBA. The league’s lack of big men that remotely resemble NBA bigs (pro-level big men who aren’t good enough for the NBA almost always end up in either Europe or Asia where they are well-compensated, and rarely stick it out in the G League) and it’s up-and-down all-offense, no-defense style were great for these prospects to flash and put up stats, but as far as developing them for the NBA?

Other avenues, such as college or pro ball in Europe, would have probably been better for that.

And that's where i'm standing at. You have a league where it's just whole bunch of players play for noting but self- promotion.
Do you know who won G league championship? I don't. What G league champion gets? Nothing. What's the point of winning or losing? Is there draft to tank for? Nop. Whole concept of a league is so anti-competitive that it's sad.

thats actually true the d-league was created since 2001. And nobody cares until now.

Only recently did nba teams started to takeover in less than 10 years. Eventually, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

No one gives a **** about watching gleague games tbh, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

Like I said, gleague will be eventually be used to develop more nba players. While you are correct that some of the gleague products doesn’t guarantee success, so does other alternatives. Even the nba doesnt guarantee success. Otherwise, we wont even have draft bust. Lol

The point is, a lot more teams are starting to use the gleague to develop their younger players who cant get playing time. Heck, we even use the gleague to get plaYers in shape (jonathan isaac). Getting game minutes is valuable.

NBA teams will find a way to maximize how they are spending money allotted to gleague teams. Otherwise, you’re just letting money run out off a leaking faucet.

[pepe1991]

Gleague will slowly be relevant to developing players.

There is no way nba teams are spending their operation without getting any benefit.

You base this off what?
D league exists since 2001. From rebranding, changing names, adding more team, 23 years later you still have glorified pickup games played by mostly mid to late 20s players that aren't good enough to nba and are too old to reprogram to play in Europe ( or any other league where concept of team will be more important than individual quality ).


G league Ingnite was massive NBA project, they even added ex nba players ( Amir Johnson, Jett etc) to showcase new talent and be alternative for college.
Instad, all players that arived from Ignite were so raw that it took even best among them ( Green & Kuminga ) THREE years of reprograming in in nba to even be considered okey/Playable/Net -not-negative.
Both teams who drafted them ( Houston & Warriors )- had much better alternatives elewhere, in tradidional college pickups ( Barnes, Mobley, Franz ...).

Others from Ignite are some of the most raw, unplayable players i've seen in very long time:
Scoot Henderson- PG who can hardly dribble the ball straight forward
Dyson Daniels- can't get PT as lottery pick on 15 wins team. Should i add anything to this?

Even Hoops Hype article comes to conclusion... Well . read it yourself

So in that regard, it seems like the G League wasn’t a great level of basketball to prepare these prep stars for life in the NBA. The league’s lack of big men that remotely resemble NBA bigs (pro-level big men who aren’t good enough for the NBA almost always end up in either Europe or Asia where they are well-compensated, and rarely stick it out in the G League) and it’s up-and-down all-offense, no-defense style were great for these prospects to flash and put up stats, but as far as developing them for the NBA?

Other avenues, such as college or pro ball in Europe, would have probably been better for that.

And that's where i'm standing at. You have a league where it's just whole bunch of players play for noting but self- promotion.
Do you know who won G league championship? I don't. What G league champion gets? Nothing. What's the point of winning or losing? Is there draft to tank for? Nop. Whole concept of a league is so anti-competitive that it's sad.

thats actually true the d-league was created since 2001. And nobody cares until now.

Only recently did nba teams started to takeover in less than 10 years. Eventually, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

No one gives a **** about watching gleague games tbh, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

Like I said, gleague will be eventually be used to develop more nba players. While you are correct that some of the gleague products doesn’t guarantee success, so does other alternatives. Even the nba doesnt guarantee success. Otherwise, we wont even have draft bust. Lol

The point is, a lot more teams are starting to use the gleague to develop their younger players who cant get playing time. Heck, we even use the gleague to get plaYers in shape (jonathan isaac). Getting game minutes is valuable.

NBA teams will find a way to maximize how they are spending money allotted to gleague teams. Otherwise, you’re just letting money run out off a leaking faucet.

G league/D league now exits for over 20 years. And still nobody cares.

y, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

They won't. And there is simple answer why- money.
You draft player who is 20# pick for example, he has guaranteed 3 years, $8,7M guaranteed ( around $3M a year) and takes you one roster spot. By default, PICK is more valuable than whoever is drafted- if plan is to not play him on main roster.
First round picks can't be signed with two way contracts, so you can only carry 15 men + 3 two way contracts.
It simply makes no funcuional nor basketball sense to draft guy, pay him rotation money and send him to G league. Better alternative- trade pick for player you can actually depend on.

, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

It makes financial sense, league is sponsored by Gatorade, that's why it's called G league. They have streaming contract with twitch, ESPN plus has brodcasting rights.
Season tickets cost $200-300 . Average attendence is around 2000-2500 a game. it depends on a team & city.
Oh and there are fools every year that pay $300 for open tryout in hope for career


But most important kicker- players make so little money to make whole thing possible. I gave my best to find single player in G league to make serious money not named Scoot Henderson, who got $500K for a season, and was promoted as future top 3 pick.
Minimal salary is $35 K a season.
Jett Howard costs more than several G league rosters combined.

And that's execlly why nba G league will never be developmental league. If you can freeze salary for player sent to G league against cap than sure. But it simply makes no sense, especially for good teams, to pay somebody $5-8M a year to not have him playing on main roster, under salary restrictions , where whole league is in desparate need for money.
This is execlly why i said above, if you have #20 pick, it's way more valuable to trade pick for contributor or future pick than draft & stash him in G league.

[tiderulz]

Gleague will slowly be relevant to developing players.

There is no way nba teams are spending their operation without getting any benefit.

This discounts that the Osceola Magic is a business itself, and is tasked with generating profit.

Let's say the ticket gate generate about 500k per annum. That pays for all the players. Add sponsorships, and the team basically breaks even.

like baseball, with the money generated at the highest level, winning is secondary. Yes, teams in baseball try to win, but the main point for them there is to develop skills. But if you have "free agents" on the team, they are all trying to stand out instead of working with whatever development plan the coaches have for the players. $500k....the team can get that money back in a weekend.

[tiderulz]

Gleague will slowly be relevant to developing players.

There is no way nba teams are spending their operation without getting any benefit.

You base this off what?
D league exists since 2001. From rebranding, changing names, adding more team, 23 years later you still have glorified pickup games played by mostly mid to late 20s players that aren't good enough to nba and are too old to reprogram to play in Europe ( or any other league where concept of team will be more important than individual quality ).


G league Ingnite was massive NBA project, they even added ex nba players ( Amir Johnson, Jett etc) to showcase new talent and be alternative for college.
Instad, all players that arived from Ignite were so raw that it took even best among them ( Green & Kuminga ) THREE years of reprograming in in nba to even be considered okey/Playable/Net -not-negative.
Both teams who drafted them ( Houston & Warriors )- had much better alternatives elewhere, in tradidional college pickups ( Barnes, Mobley, Franz ...).

Others from Ignite are some of the most raw, unplayable players i've seen in very long time:
Scoot Henderson- PG who can hardly dribble the ball straight forward
Dyson Daniels- can't get PT as lottery pick on 15 wins team. Should i add anything to this?

Even Hoops Hype article comes to conclusion... Well . read it yourself

So in that regard, it seems like the G League wasn’t a great level of basketball to prepare these prep stars for life in the NBA. The league’s lack of big men that remotely resemble NBA bigs (pro-level big men who aren’t good enough for the NBA almost always end up in either Europe or Asia where they are well-compensated, and rarely stick it out in the G League) and it’s up-and-down all-offense, no-defense style were great for these prospects to flash and put up stats, but as far as developing them for the NBA?

Other avenues, such as college or pro ball in Europe, would have probably been better for that.

And that's where i'm standing at. You have a league where it's just whole bunch of players play for noting but self- promotion.
Do you know who won G league championship? I don't. What G league champion gets? Nothing. What's the point of winning or losing? Is there draft to tank for? Nop. Whole concept of a league is so anti-competitive that it's sad.

the NBA really needs to get with MLB and figure it out. MLB does a great job at developing their players

[mattdelray1220]

I just figured as the league continues to expand globally and the talent level rises, the G league would rise with it. That it will become a legit farm system. Obviously you have other leagues around the world paying better and becoming the likely option for talent that cannot make the NBA. The one thing the G league has going for it is that it is still every players dream to make the NBA. It is by far the best league in the world. Guys are willing the give up potential millions in Spain, Italy, China etc.. to make 50k in the G league to chase the NBA.

[eyriq]

You base this off what?
D league exists since 2001. From rebranding, changing names, adding more team, 23 years later you still have glorified pickup games played by mostly mid to late 20s players that aren't good enough to nba and are too old to reprogram to play in Europe ( or any other league where concept of team will be more important than individual quality ).


G league Ingnite was massive NBA project, they even added ex nba players ( Amir Johnson, Jett etc) to showcase new talent and be alternative for college.
Instad, all players that arived from Ignite were so raw that it took even best among them ( Green & Kuminga ) THREE years of reprograming in in nba to even be considered okey/Playable/Net -not-negative.
Both teams who drafted them ( Houston & Warriors )- had much better alternatives elewhere, in tradidional college pickups ( Barnes, Mobley, Franz ...).

Others from Ignite are some of the most raw, unplayable players i've seen in very long time:
Scoot Henderson- PG who can hardly dribble the ball straight forward
Dyson Daniels- can't get PT as lottery pick on 15 wins team. Should i add anything to this?

Even Hoops Hype article comes to conclusion... Well . read it yourself




And that's where i'm standing at. You have a league where it's just whole bunch of players play for noting but self- promotion.
Do you know who won G league championship? I don't. What G league champion gets? Nothing. What's the point of winning or losing? Is there draft to tank for? Nop. Whole concept of a league is so anti-competitive that it's sad.

thats actually true the d-league was created since 2001. And nobody cares until now.

Only recently did nba teams started to takeover in less than 10 years. Eventually, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

No one gives a **** about watching gleague games tbh, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

Like I said, gleague will be eventually be used to develop more nba players. While you are correct that some of the gleague products doesn’t guarantee success, so does other alternatives. Even the nba doesnt guarantee success. Otherwise, we wont even have draft bust. Lol

The point is, a lot more teams are starting to use the gleague to develop their younger players who cant get playing time. Heck, we even use the gleague to get plaYers in shape (jonathan isaac). Getting game minutes is valuable.

NBA teams will find a way to maximize how they are spending money allotted to gleague teams. Otherwise, you’re just letting money run out off a leaking faucet.

G league/D league now exits for over 20 years. And still nobody cares.

y, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

They won't. And there is simple answer why- money.
You draft player who is 20# pick for example, he has guaranteed 3 years, $8,7M guaranteed ( around $3M a year) and takes you one roster spot. By default, PICK is more valuable than whoever is drafted- if plan is to not play him on main roster.
First round picks can't be signed with two way contracts, so you can only carry 15 men + 3 two way contracts.
It simply makes no funcuional nor basketball sense to draft guy, pay him rotation money and send him to G league. Better alternative- trade pick for player you can actually depend on.

, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

It makes financial sense, league is sponsored by Gatorade, that's why it's called G league. They have streaming contract with twitch, ESPN plus has brodcasting rights.
Season tickets cost $200-300 . Average attendence is around 2000-2500 a game. it depends on a team & city.
Oh and there are fools every year that pay $300 for open tryout in hope for career


But most important kicker- players make so little money to make whole thing possible. I gave my best to find single player in G league to make serious money not named Scoot Henderson, who got $500K for a season, and was promoted as future top 3 pick.
Minimal salary is $35 K a season.
Jett Howard costs more than several G league rosters combined.

And that's execlly why nba G league will never be developmental league. If you can freeze salary for player sent to G league against cap than sure. But it simply makes no sense, especially for good teams, to pay somebody $5-8M a year to not have him playing on main roster, under salary restrictions , where whole league is in desparate need for money.
This is execlly why i said above, if you have #20 pick, it's way more valuable to trade pick for contributor or future pick than draft & stash him in G league.

You've literally got the Orlando Magic "saying" they are using it as a developmental league going forward. On the G-League about page it mentions that it is the NBA's official "minor league", "acting as the league's research and development center".

50% of NBA players have G-League experience.

Edit: also, now that every team officially has an affiliate expect this development pathway to increase in usage. Welcome to the new G-League.

[Skybox]

thats actually true the d-league was created since 2001. And nobody cares until now.

Only recently did nba teams started to takeover in less than 10 years. Eventually, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

No one gives a **** about watching gleague games tbh, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

Like I said, gleague will be eventually be used to develop more nba players. While you are correct that some of the gleague products doesn’t guarantee success, so does other alternatives. Even the nba doesnt guarantee success. Otherwise, we wont even have draft bust. Lol

The point is, a lot more teams are starting to use the gleague to develop their younger players who cant get playing time. Heck, we even use the gleague to get plaYers in shape (jonathan isaac). Getting game minutes is valuable.

NBA teams will find a way to maximize how they are spending money allotted to gleague teams. Otherwise, you’re just letting money run out off a leaking faucet.

G league/D league now exits for over 20 years. And still nobody cares.

y, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

They won't. And there is simple answer why- money.
You draft player who is 20# pick for example, he has guaranteed 3 years, $8,7M guaranteed ( around $3M a year) and takes you one roster spot. By default, PICK is more valuable than whoever is drafted- if plan is to not play him on main roster.
First round picks can't be signed with two way contracts, so you can only carry 15 men + 3 two way contracts.
It simply makes no funcuional nor basketball sense to draft guy, pay him rotation money and send him to G league. Better alternative- trade pick for player you can actually depend on.

, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

It makes financial sense, league is sponsored by Gatorade, that's why it's called G league. They have streaming contract with twitch, ESPN plus has brodcasting rights.
Season tickets cost $200-300 . Average attendence is around 2000-2500 a game. it depends on a team & city.
Oh and there are fools every year that pay $300 for open tryout in hope for career


But most important kicker- players make so little money to make whole thing possible. I gave my best to find single player in G league to make serious money not named Scoot Henderson, who got $500K for a season, and was promoted as future top 3 pick.
Minimal salary is $35 K a season.
Jett Howard costs more than several G league rosters combined.

And that's execlly why nba G league will never be developmental league. If you can freeze salary for player sent to G league against cap than sure. But it simply makes no sense, especially for good teams, to pay somebody $5-8M a year to not have him playing on main roster, under salary restrictions , where whole league is in desparate need for money.
This is execlly why i said above, if you have #20 pick, it's way more valuable to trade pick for contributor or future pick than draft & stash him in G league.

You've literally got the Orlando Magic "saying" they are using it as a developmental league going forward. On the G-League about page it mentions that it is the NBA's official "minor league", "acting as the league's research and development center".

50% of NBA players have G-League experience.

Edit: also, now that every team officially has an affiliate expect this development pathway to increase in usage. Welcome to the new G-League.

The NBA was a better place when they weren't competing with the NCAA for raw high school talent. When kids routinely did 2+ years of college, rookie classes were simply prepared better, scouted better, and drafted better....now, the tug-of-war has kids getting paid (I guess, to some extent, many were already) but, more damagingly, being recruited each year of their eligibility and not having any real loyalty or obligation to the school that first invested in them. I get the "freedom" arguments on a larger level, but it makes for crappier NBA rookies.

[pepe1991]

thats actually true the d-league was created since 2001. And nobody cares until now.

Only recently did nba teams started to takeover in less than 10 years. Eventually, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

No one gives a **** about watching gleague games tbh, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

Like I said, gleague will be eventually be used to develop more nba players. While you are correct that some of the gleague products doesn’t guarantee success, so does other alternatives. Even the nba doesnt guarantee success. Otherwise, we wont even have draft bust. Lol

The point is, a lot more teams are starting to use the gleague to develop their younger players who cant get playing time. Heck, we even use the gleague to get plaYers in shape (jonathan isaac). Getting game minutes is valuable.

NBA teams will find a way to maximize how they are spending money allotted to gleague teams. Otherwise, you’re just letting money run out off a leaking faucet.

G league/D league now exits for over 20 years. And still nobody cares.

y, Teams will start sending players to the gleague to develop if they cant find playing time for them.

They won't. And there is simple answer why- money.
You draft player who is 20# pick for example, he has guaranteed 3 years, $8,7M guaranteed ( around $3M a year) and takes you one roster spot. By default, PICK is more valuable than whoever is drafted- if plan is to not play him on main roster.
First round picks can't be signed with two way contracts, so you can only carry 15 men + 3 two way contracts.
It simply makes no funcuional nor basketball sense to draft guy, pay him rotation money and send him to G league. Better alternative- trade pick for player you can actually depend on.

, but if you think a business organization will keep spending money without getting any benefit at all, then you’re not a good business owner.

It makes financial sense, league is sponsored by Gatorade, that's why it's called G league. They have streaming contract with twitch, ESPN plus has brodcasting rights.
Season tickets cost $200-300 . Average attendence is around 2000-2500 a game. it depends on a team & city.
Oh and there are fools every year that pay $300 for open tryout in hope for career


But most important kicker- players make so little money to make whole thing possible. I gave my best to find single player in G league to make serious money not named Scoot Henderson, who got $500K for a season, and was promoted as future top 3 pick.
Minimal salary is $35 K a season.
Jett Howard costs more than several G league rosters combined.

And that's execlly why nba G league will never be developmental league. If you can freeze salary for player sent to G league against cap than sure. But it simply makes no sense, especially for good teams, to pay somebody $5-8M a year to not have him playing on main roster, under salary restrictions , where whole league is in desparate need for money.
This is execlly why i said above, if you have #20 pick, it's way more valuable to trade pick for contributor or future pick than draft & stash him in G league.

You've literally got the Orlando Magic "saying" they are using it as a developmental league going forward. On the G-League about page it mentions that it is the NBA's official "minor league", "acting as the league's research and development center".

50% of NBA players have G-League experience.

Edit: also, now that every team officially has an affiliate expect this development pathway to increase in usage. Welcome to the new G-League.

What do you expect them to say ? We have 2 players below age of 24 and we pretend it's G league where in reality it's just glorified pickup basketball with group od delusional players who are closer to retirment than serious career?

50% of NBA players have G-League experience.

No sh** Sherlock. 572 players logged at least 1 min in nba in 2023-24, at least 200 of them are irrelevant.

Pistons ,Wizards and Hornets alone played suited 81 players. Eighty one.

Compared to Dallas/ Celtics/ Wolves who only sutied up 60 men.

That's how "50% players played in G league". Whole bunch of tanking teams drag additional 15 guys to tank & tryout.
During 2020-21 Magic tried out 28 men One of them is Sindarious Thornwell, who is now playing on 3rd worst team in Russian league. You telling me he was ever nba talent? Yet- 160 nba games played. And there are way worst examples, with 1 min played.


G league will never be about development as long as they hold onto players who are +25 years old and there is on competitive side of "sport". Without competitive edge, sport is just wwe. People pretending.
G league is talent depleated, there is no quality big men, nobody plays defense and it's just s**tshow of run& gun in mindless actions without consequences. Win or lose. Nothing ever matters.

[JoshuaPotter]

Saying it G/D leagues have and are currently not a development path is true and fine.

It doesn't change what is being said to your face by leaders of NBA teams.

Will we see a pattern change incoming the next several years? I think so. Will that pattern be better or worse then 2 more years of college hoops? Unknown as well.

It's not a true 1/1 comparison but if you told me the salary cap would be what it was I wouldn't have been able to imagine it 20 years ago. You don't have to like what I am saying as this isn't part of the argument. Just a mention that things change.

Will NBA teams invest money into figuring it out as a means of "saving" money on player production / development on the cheap? Again, I think they are going to find out regardless of what we think.

[eyriq]

What do you expect them to say ?

I expect them to speak honestly. With each team now, and only now, having an affiliate team, it makes sense that teams will use their affiliate for exclusive purposes like research and player development.

Now, all your points about the quality of competition are valid, but is it worse than another year of college? Getting reps on an affiliate team, working in a team approved system with a team approved development plan? To me this is a great draft and stash option if your main squad isn't ready to utilize the rookie.

[davey_wavy]

I think they really do envision stashing Jett in the g-league as a stage in his development path.

Why is that hard to believe?

And then if that's a stage in his development path and he exceeds expectations, you grade him accordingly. I don't get why we think Weltman is lying to us. What would he be trying to save face from?

Do you believe that we brought in Jett to training camp and he flunked and got kicked out to the G League?

Speaking of Jett...

I own a flooring company in SWFL, and one of the reps for xxxxxx (big name in carpet & hard surface) came in to sell me a quantity deal (she's from Orlando, which was cool). We started talking about the Magic and she said her daughter is banging Jett right now and she's not very happy about it. She said he's "zesty". I had to google what zesty is and now It kind of makes sense when you watch him interview

[eyriq]

Raptors board is fire

Not a lot of cap space out there this year. Not a lot of good free agents either. 2024 shaping up to be year of the trade.

Not many franchises project to have real spending power this summer. The exceptions include the Pistons (up to $68 million), Sixers ($62-$65 million, depending on what the team does with its No. 16 pick, Paul Reed Jr. and other free agents) and Magic (about $53 million).

The Pistons have new leadership under Trajan Langdon, and competing executives are eager to learn what direction he will take the franchise. Currently, Detroit is a wild card.

The Sixers were believed to be targeting George, but Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium recently noted that interest "has significantly waned in recent days."

That news made many in the industry wonder if the Sixers had found an alternative player—perhaps Jimmy Butler or Brandon Ingram—via trade or if George and the Clippers had made enough progress for Philadelphia to look elsewhere.

After an impressive run to the playoffs, the Magic can make significant add-ons to what is already a solid squad. But some wonder if the team is willing to invest heavily in players over multiple years, given the pending raises for Jalen Suggs, Franz Wagner and eventually Paolo Banchero.

If George doesn't gain traction with the Clippers and the three teams aren't willing to offer him an extension, he may need to opt in to try to secure a trade to a team willing to give him one.

Others like Thompson, if not returning to the Warriors, and D'Angelo Russell (who can opt out of his deal with the Lakers) need spenders to relocate.

The Utah Jazz are expected to use their cap space to renegotiate Lauri Markkanen's deal. After acquiring Caruso, the Thunder still have around $31.5 million to spend. That's slightly less than the Hornets (about $33 million), but with new ownership and leadership, direction is also challenging to predict.

That leaves the Toronto Raptors, who are expected to stay over the cap instead of dropping to about $30 million under, and the San Antonio Spurs, who can be near $19 million. Everyone else is limited to the non-taxpayer mid-level exception ($12.9 million) or below.

Few teams have money to spend, and the ones that do will define the offseason.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10125718-2024-nba-offseason-we-need-answers-on-these-trades-free-agents-more

[Knightro]

For the record, I'm not arguing that the G-League can't *eventually* becoming this true farm system situation where guys not ready can actually go down there and play and develop.

It's just not there yet. So for Weltman to suggest Jett had a "wildly successful" rookie year is essentially him just pissing on us while telling us it's actually raining.

[eyriq]

For the record, I'm not arguing that the G-League can't *eventually* becoming this true farm system situation where guys not ready can actually go down there and play and develop.

It's just not there yet. So for Weltman to suggest Jett had a "wildly successful" rookie year is essentially him just pissing on us while telling us it's actually raining.

Fair. I think a fair test of the viability of draft and stash is to see where that player ranks relative to his draft class in his second season. In other words, in 2025, where does Jett rank relative to his draft class? If he's still outside the top 30 then I think it's fair to pile on Weltman for a terrible pick and terrible development plan.

I did do some analysis though. Looking at player ranks by season and the probability that the player would be in the top 10 by year five, you do have a lot of flexibility your first few seasons before it's a real tell.

That's why I'm still optimistic about AB and I'm still open-minded about Jett. Though my official prediction about Jett is that he sucks.