POLL: Is Ryan Anderson Untouchable

[RickB-Orlando]

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Ryan is great, but he's not a good 2nd option at this point. he's the ultimate 3rd option, but unfortunately he's our 2nd option and he's not good enough to maintain that role and keep us as an elite, contending team.

i have an exercise for you. go here

click through every player with a PER above Anderson's, (notably big men), and compare the %AST rates between them all.

for those too lazy, the results are that Anderson is assisted on 76% of his shots, whilst most of the other players are down around the 50's, and at most the mid 60's.

this isn't a discredit to Anderson at all, it just highlights that how he's being used is as a 3rd option - a bail out. we still need that 2nd option who can go get points on their own, without needing other players to set them up.

He's not a good #2? How do we even know this since he's untested in that role? Right now he is #2 in MPG, FGA, points, and rebounds.

I voted No. I love Ryan's game and my personal opinion is the guy has the potential to emerge as an All Star and top five power forward inthe league.

But I still say he's not untouchable, given the right circumstances.

If he's the key piece to trading for a player that will keep Dwight (the best center in the league hands down) then you have to do it. That means a deal where Dwight commits to re-signing another max deal. In essence you are trading Ryan for Dwight in that case (not to mention - for example - Ellis or JSmoove)

If it's a deal where Dwight says 'I won't opt out and let's see what happens next year,' then it's a very tough call, but I would probably do that deal. It gives you another year to build around Dwight.

If it's one that leaves Dwight saying 'I just don't know what I'm going to do,' then IMHO you don't trade Anderson; instead we should be shipping Dwight for the best package possible.

[darthmerrick]

Is Ryan Anderson untouchable? Of course not. But if we trade him, we better be getting back somebody special...otherwise if your Otis you say NO! And by special it better be more then Monta Ellis coming back.

I don't understand why everyone says we don't have assets either? Outside of Ryan Anderson.
JJ has proven he can get 17-20 PPG consistently while starting. Not on a bad deal either given it was front loaded and his last year will be 6 million. We have this years 1st round pick in a deep draft. We Daniel Orton who is a 20 year old young raw center but was still the third or fourth best big man option in that draft. While we know he sucks...some body else like the warriors could see him as a cheap developing project. Then we have Jameer who has two years left on his contact (expiring if he opts out). Any team in desperate need of a PG could do worse. Wafer is on a good deal and could possibly be a throw in.

Then you have Jason Richardson. Some GM's might still want to take a chance on a 18PPG guy. He jus turned 31 and we actually did a pretty good job with his contract. 4 year $25 million is less then market value for his skill set.

Glen Davis...er. I don't know about him. He's going through a tough time with his fathers passing and being in Stan's system. But this is a guy who kills teams in the playoffs. We've watched him year after year do it! We might not be able to trade him with his performance and contract, but don't be surprised if he goes off in the playoffs and you find yourself back on the Big Baby bandwagon.

Then you have the undesirables that can only be traded with Dwight or Ryan Anderson (for crap back). Duhon, Q.Rich, Hedo. They aren't going anywhere.

[Potterman]

For those who would take a gamble on trading Ryno as part of the pieces for Nash and hope that Dwight would extend his contract need a reality check IMO. It's not that you are not thinking straight. It's that we forfeit a nice young piece and likely draft picks.

If you trade for Ellis and include Ryan, yes you might lose a draft pick as well. But you gain Ellis who has plenty left in the tank and should Howard leave Ellis is still far > Ryno for many years to come.

[eyriq]

Ellis is a far > than Anderson? The great debate between efficiency and scoring embodied by two perfect candidates.

[RickB-Orlando]

Ellis is a far > than Anderson? The great debate between efficiency and scoring embodied by two perfect candidates.

I'm not sure I agree that Ellis is far better than Anderson, unless it's as a factor in re-signing Dwight.

[drsd]

Ellis is a far > than Anderson? The great debate between efficiency and scoring embodied by two perfect candidates.

If Anderson was allowed 20 FGA per game, he would clearly be a 20ppg guy. But could he, if given a green light, create his own shot? I think most would say no.

[eyriq]

Ellis is a far > than Anderson? The great debate between efficiency and scoring embodied by two perfect candidates.

If Anderson was allowed 20 FGA per game, he would clearly be a 20ppg guy. But could he, if given a green light, create his own shot? I think most would say no.

Creating a shot is a part of basketball, not basketball in its entirety. Ryan does a lot of things better than Ellis, just like Ellis does a lot of things better than Anderson. Right now, Anderson makes his team much better than Ellis does, as evidenced by the Warriors playing better without Ellis, etc.

[ChildishGambino]

I'm becoming a broken record man lol.....Ryan is clearly our second best player and should be our 2nd option instead of trying to fill that second option by committee...He should get the respect he's earned and graduate from being a glorified decoy....Other than Dwight he's been the most consistent player for us since game 1....Disturbing to me is the games recently when he was effectively taken out of the game offensively...I don't think it's a lack of skill...i just think there is a lack in his current role....

There is no reason why a player like Big Baby can get post calls and clear outs and Ryan can't....not saying it happens all the time but it happens enough to be noticeable at least to me....not saying that we should treat Ryan like Hakeem either but i believe he can be used in other ways than how he's being used currently.....Setting screens and pick and pops/rolls is imo kinda limiting Ryan......I want to explore Ryan's FULL array of skills so that we can use him more effectively.....

i mean really if this is how we're going to use Ryan then in the playoffs where execution and game-planning is crucial he would be too easy to guard......Test and sharpen his skills in the regular season and unleash him in the playoffs....i've always said that to me there is a difference between just getting looks at shots and being an actual focus in the offense.....If Ryan was more of a focus there is no doubt he would average 20 a game......but...the reason why that's not happening could be quite a number of things but.......

i am not blaming him completely but Stan does have control over who gets touches and who doesn't since he calls every single play down the court.....by which Ryan gets none because he doesn't have any set plays.....

[drsd]

Right now, Anderson makes his team much better than Ellis does, as evidenced by the Warriors playing better without Ellis, etc.

Let me be clear, I do not like Ellis' game; I do not see him as a winner.

If an Ellis trade equals a re-up from Howard, we fans must swallow that.


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[Bensational]

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Ryan is great, but he's not a good 2nd option at this point. he's the ultimate 3rd option, but unfortunately he's our 2nd option and he's not good enough to maintain that role and keep us as an elite, contending team.

i have an exercise for you. go here

click through every player with a PER above Anderson's, (notably big men), and compare the %AST rates between them all.

for those too lazy, the results are that Anderson is assisted on 76% of his shots, whilst most of the other players are down around the 50's, and at most the mid 60's.

this isn't a discredit to Anderson at all, it just highlights that how he's being used is as a 3rd option - a bail out. we still need that 2nd option who can go get points on their own, without needing other players to set them up.

He's not a good #2? How do we even know this since he's untested in that role? Right now he is #2 in MPG, FGA, points, and rebounds.

he's not used as a #2, but he's the 2nd best performer, which makes him #2 by default.

[richboy]

Anderson is not untradebale. The problem you have with trading Anderson is he doesn't have much salary value in a trade. To make a trade work you have to trade Anderson and multiple other players in the deal. I would be OK if you could do Anderson and Hedo for Ellis. Problem comes when I see 3 good assets going for Ellis. If the goal is to get better then you have to decide are you better if you gain Ellis but loose Anderson, Redick Nelson. Is Ellis worth it when right now I might be able to do a deal for Crawford, Kmart, Session without giving up Anderson. If the question becomes Ellis/Big Baby or Kmart/Ryan Anderson or Jamal Crawford and Ryan Anderson. It is tough for me to pick Ellis.

The reality is if you do a trade to try to keep Dwight you need to come away with a player that will allow you to keep Dwight. You need to become a contender. We can't do this trade and have 2 good starters and a bunch of high paid stiffs. One of those stars is Monta Ellis. Who physically is a nice player but your giving up a lot for a guy with a 17 Career PER. Your in essence hoping that Monta transforms into a top 15-20 player.

[richboy]

I'm becoming a broken record man lol.....Ryan is clearly our second best player and should be our 2nd option instead of trying to fill that second option by committee...He should get the respect he's earned and graduate from being a glorified decoy....Other than Dwight he's been the most consistent player for us since game 1....Disturbing to me is the games recently when he was effectively taken out of the game offensively...I don't think it's a lack of skill...i just think there is a lack in his current role....

There is no reason why a player like Big Baby can get post calls and clear outs and Ryan can't....not saying it happens all the time but it happens enough to be noticeable at least to me....not saying that we should treat Ryan like Hakeem either but i believe he can be used in other ways than how he's being used currently.....Setting screens and pick and pops/rolls is imo kinda limiting Ryan......I want to explore Ryan's FULL array of skills so that we can use him more effectively.....

i mean really if this is how we're going to use Ryan then in the playoffs where execution and game-planning is crucial he would be too easy to guard......Test and sharpen his skills in the regular season and unleash him in the playoffs....i've always said that to me there is a difference between just getting looks at shots and being an actual focus in the offense.....If Ryan was more of a focus there is no doubt he would average 20 a game......but...the reason why that's not happening could be quite a number of things but.......

i am not blaming him completely but Stan does have control over who gets touches and who doesn't since he calls every single play down the court.....by which Ryan gets none because he doesn't have any set plays.....

I agree with you. Ryan should be getting 36 minutes a game. I don't understand how Big Baby is getting 20 minutes a game. Ryan is only getting 10 minutes more.

[RookieStar]

^^^ probably cuz we signed him for more than what he's worth(as usual) and he is best buds with Dwight? Can't afford him to be pouting after all /sarcasm

[Javanar]

You think all wrong I think.

Everybody speaks of satisfying Howard. Is it really simple as acquiring a player? I dont think so. Howard will never be satisfied in Orlando, according to me.

Satisfying Howard is not about getting elite players onto the team. Howard wants 2 things.

First, wants voice in team management. And second wants to win NBA with the team designed by him. So he can be a NBA hero known all over the world.

Simply he wants the treatment as Kobe is treated in Lakers. When Kobe has a problem with player, that player leaves, even his name is Shaquille O'Neal. When a coach has to be employed, the first criteria is if he will be satisfying Kobe and build the system around him. He criticizes his teammates on media, even in games. Over 30 years old Fisher and Artest are in Lakers because Kobe wants them in Lakers. And what happens? LAL is swept on second round. And they are 22-14 now.

Howard wants same things. He won't possibly want a player that is as dominant as him. He wants to be the center of attention. He wants to select his team mates. He wants to select his coach. All centered around his ego. Hi wants to criticize them if something goes wrong. And that is what is happening in Orlando for about 3 years. And what we have now? We said bye to playoffs in first round.

The More we build the team according to Dwight's demands, the more we fail, and the more Dwight blame his team mates and management and wants to be traded.

Orlando can not satisfy Dwight. And we should not send our possible future stars for an ego that is impossible to be satisfied.

[ChildishGambino]

^^^ probably cuz we signed him for more than what he's worth(as usual) and he is best buds with Dwight? Can't afford him to be pouting after all /sarcasm

you know what though sarcasm or not i think that is exactly what's going on....quite simply it's politics....Glen davis is not the player at least i thought he was going to be.....Offensively he leaves A LOT to be desired and Defensively he was overrated coming out of Boston and he's proved it by being very inconsistent on that end of the floor here in Orlando....I mean really think about it...Give Earl Clark Davis's role and minutes and he can at least give you what Davis is giving plus he'll defend and adds natural athleticism and length.....but nope...instead playing the better option we leave him on the bench for no apparent reason.....

Why can't Earl Play in Davis's Spot in the rotation? Can't say he doesn't know the "System" he's been here longer than Davis.....it's all about justification....Davis's contract needs justification....

[BelgianMagic]

I'm probably the biggest Ellis fan around, been following him since his rookie year. I think he would be a perfect sidekick to Dwight ..

BUT, Ryan has been playing absolutely fantastic this season. He's improved every aspect of his game, he has become our 2nd best player & he's a great player to play next to Dwight

I've always said that this team needs a pass-first PG to be succesful. Jameer's a great player, but he's a scorer, not a playmaker ..

We've got some of the league's best shooters (JJ/Ryan/JRich) & the most dominant Big Man since Shaq, but we don't have a PG to feed these guys .. Hedo? Great playmaker, but please don't put a guy like LeBron or Deng on him cause he will become useless

Getting Ellis would mean we'd have gutted our entire roster. That's why I think it's better to try harder to get Nash (while keeping Ryan) & make smaller moves (Jackson)

If Nash's too hard to get, go get Calderon.

[Javanar]

I'm probably the biggest Ellis fan around, been following him since his rookie year. I think he would be a perfect sidekick to Dwight ..

BUT, Ryan has been playing absolutely fantastic this season. He's improved every aspect of his game, he has become our 2nd best player & he's a great player to play next to Dwight

I've always said that this team needs a pass-first PG to be succesful. Jameer's a great player, but he's a scorer, not a playmaker ..

We've got some of the league's best shooters (JJ/Ryan/JRich) & the most dominant Big Man since Shaq, but we don't have a PG to feed these guys .. Hedo? Great playmaker, but please don't put a guy like LeBron or Deng on him cause he will become useless

Getting Ellis would mean we'd have gutted our entire roster. That's why I think it's better to try harder to get Nash (while keeping Ryan) & make smaller moves (Jackson)

If Nash's too hard to get, go get Calderon.

getting calderon, without extending Howard's contract will not only mean we will possibly have 3 bad PGs, but also giving Dwight for nothing in return at the end of the season.

Moreover I think Dwight wont want Nash on Magic.

[Reverse_Angle]

^^ i think i would be down for some canadian love, especially if it means we keep ryno. that also means jj will be shipped and hedo will get equal minutes with the bench as he does with the starters.

[RookieStar]

I dunno man... Ryan has been the only bright spot this season for me with all the Dwight circus

[Last Guardian]

In general, no. For what has been rumored, absolutely.