Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition)

Blue_and_Whte · Post #61 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Tue May 22, 2012 1:52 pm

eyriq wrote:I'm still floored by the implication that Otis actually thought Dwight was to blame for our teams short comings. Thank goodness that Martins stepped in and stripped the man of power.

+1

WeAreVenom · Post #62 » by **WeAreVenom** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:00 pm

eyriq wrote:I'm still floored by the implication that Otis actually thought Dwight was to blame for our teams short comings. Thank goodness that Martins stepped in and stripped the man of power.

I couldn't believe it, either.

I know we all make fun of him and all.......but I am truly starting to believe that he is in his own world.

cedric76 · Post #63 » by **cedric76** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:03 pm

Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports

Good morning. I have a story to tell and I'll be telling it on @740thegame at 8:15. Spoke w/ a few sources last night.

T25 · Post #64 » by **T25** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:04 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
T25 wrote:What would speak volumes in regards to jerseys being retired is bringing back the guys whose jerseys should be retired. The Magic should hire Shaq & Penny give them some type of jobs in the organization it will be nice seeing them around. Bring back Tmac to end his career here. If the magic would do this it will show Dwight the Magic believe in tradition and I think this is what Dwight will need to mature.

I wouldn't be surprised, with the comment Alex Martins said about Championship experience that Shaq being hired for a position within the organization.

Let's start a petition to bring Shag, Penny, Tmac, Darrell Armstrong back, this team needs it now...[/q uote]
For what? That's lame imo bring in players that will bring us closer to a title. Fudge all that sentimental crap. Sure DA in a player development role or something..ok. but tmac? Get me dwill, iggy, monta.

I agree. Tmac has gas in the tank still and the Magic need experienced vets. I'm not saying Tmac will be the star he once was but it will help. Bringing back the old guys helps. It helps the Magic as a PR move, it brings back winning tradition. We as Magic fans love these guys still. We already have Nick, Bo and Garrity around why not the other guys...

WeAreVenom · Post #65 » by **WeAreVenom** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:09 pm

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA

When the Magic opted not to trade Dwight and allowed the circus - that was the end of the road for Stan.. he never wanted that

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA

When the team allowed that, it illustrated to Stan that the team was not concerned about winning games and it was time for a change

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA

RT @kevinajones7: so this SVG firing is more about him being fed up with Magic rather than vice versa? ---> About equal.

It amazes me how he and Otis could possibly think trading Dwight would put this team in a better position...

How on Earth could not trading Dwight be viewed as "not concerned about winning games"? As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite.

If true, then both of these two needed to go, immediately. Ridiculous.

Carlos Arroyo · Post #66 » by **Carlos Arroyo** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:11 pm

cedric76 wrote:Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports

Good morning. I have a story to tell and I'll be telling it on @740thegame at 8:15. Spoke w/ a few sources last night.

just slightly late there buddy

MoMM · Post #67 » by **MoMM** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:16 pm

Dwight Howard wants out of Orlando, the events of today notwithstanding, a source close to Howard tells SheridanHoops.com On the day coach Stan Van Gandy and general manager Otis Smith lost their jobs with the Magic, a source who has spoken with Howard recently said the All-Star center desperately wants to be traded prior to the start of next season. And although the Brooklyn Nets are still considered the frontrunner, “it is not going to be a one-horse race,” the source said, listing the Mavericks, Knicks and — to a lesser degree — the Clippers and Lakers as among the destinations that would appeal to Howard.

But in fact, the source said, Howard wants out of Orlando more than he ever did before in order to start a new chapter of his career. And it is well-known throughout the league that the Magic do not want to endure another soap opera season like the one they just experienced. Orlando team executives are expected to meet soon with Howard as he recovers from the back surgery he underwent last month in California. If Howard tells them he wants out, they are expected to try to accomodate him and deal him to the highest bidder. One piece of the puzzle that could influence Howard’s landing spot is whether a team acquiring Howard would be willing to take on the contract of Hedo Turkoglu, who is due to make $23.6 million over the next two seasons. The combined salaries of Howard and Turkoglu will be $30.6 million next season, and few teams will have the cap room or the assets to do a trade in which the salaries match.

What's it going to be, Dwight? "The decision is up to Dwight now," Magic CEO Alex Martins said Monday after announcing that both Van Gundy and Smith have been relieved of their duties. "Dwight needs to decide where his future lies. It's been well-documented what our desires are. Now Dwight needs to decide what his are."

Melo+Chandler? BG+Jordan? Bynum+Gasol (3rd team)?

Post #68 » by **eyriq** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:17 pm

WeAreVenom wrote:
It amazes me how he and Otis could possibly think trading Dwight would put this team in a better position...

How on Earth could not trading Dwight be viewed as "not concerned about winning games"? As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite.

If true, then both of these two needed to go, immediately. Ridiculous.

I started getting the sense of Otis and SVG thinking they were bigger variables towards our success when this whole mess started. This is a players league and I guess these guys just never got the memo. Or maybe at a certain point success intoxicates and deludes. Don't do drugs, kids.

BelgianMagic · Post #69 » by **BelgianMagic** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:20 pm

I will be very disappointed if Foyle ends up being our new GM .. That would be a bad choice. He's a very intelligent guy, but I'd rather have someone more experienced and someone who has been in this situation before.

Donnie Walsh FTW

MoMM · Post #70 » by **MoMM** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:21 pm

No to Foyle, i like the idea of bringing someone from San Antonio.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #71 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:23 pm

eyriq wrote:
WeAreVenom wrote:
It amazes me how he and Otis could possibly think trading Dwight would put this team in a better position...

How on Earth could not trading Dwight be viewed as "not concerned about winning games"? As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite.

If true, then both of these two needed to go, immediately. Ridiculous.

I started getting the sense of Otis and SVG thinking they were bigger variables towards our success when this whole mess started. This is a players league and I guess these guys just never got the memo. Or maybe at a certain point success intoxicates and deludes. Don't do drugs, kids.

Or ya know.... since they were around Dwight everyday they could tell his true intentions in regards to staying in Orlando.

WD · Post #72 » by WD » Tue May 22, 2012 2:25 pm

Source: Donnie Walsh Interested in Magic

As for Orlando’s general manager vacancy, former Knicks president and Pacers GM Donnie Walsh is expected to be a strong candidate for (Otis) Smith’s spot, and a source close to him said he would be interested.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/source-donnie ... d-in-magic

WeAreVenom · Post #73 » by **WeAreVenom** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:29 pm

eyriq wrote:
WeAreVenom wrote:
It amazes me how he and Otis could possibly think trading Dwight would put this team in a better position...

How on Earth could not trading Dwight be viewed as "not concerned about winning games"? As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite.

If true, then both of these two needed to go, immediately. Ridiculous.

I started getting the sense of Otis and SVG thinking they were bigger variables towards our success when this whole mess started. This is a players league and I guess these guys just never got the memo. Or maybe at a certain point success intoxicates and deludes. Don't do drugs, kids.

I think so, too. Which explains why both of them threw Dwight under the bus this season....

I don't think they realize that they are both replaceable.....Dwight isn't.

I seriously, truthfully, can't believe that they both thought that trading Dwight would benefit this team in any possible way. They both needed to go, then. Hopefully this will be a reality check, and they'll know better for their next team.

Being 100% honest, they both wouldn't have had even nearly the amount of success without Dwight.

rcklsscognition · Post #74 » by **rcklsscognition** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:31 pm

I actually think Foyle should be the assistant GM. We need a president of basketball operations, a gm, an assistant gm, new scouts, and a coach. That's a lot of spots. Who knows what assistants will get canned too. We could have 8 new guys in a month or two.

rcklsscognition · Post #75 » by **rcklsscognition** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:32 pm

What we expected all along was true, Otis and Stan really wanted to trade Dwight.

cedric76 · Post #76 » by **cedric76** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:42 pm

YANKE3 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports

Good morning. I have a story to tell and I'll be telling it on @740thegame at 8:15. Spoke w/ a few sources last night.

just slightly late there buddy

what s the news?

Shady Franchise · Post #77 » by **Shady Franchise** » Tue May 22, 2012 2:59 pm

cedric76 wrote:
YANKE3 wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports

Good morning. I have a story to tell and I'll be telling it on @740thegame at 8:15. Spoke w/ a few sources last night.

just slightly late there buddy

what s the news?

I think he meant 8:15 PST. I'm listening to the link right now and they say, "Coming up, Orlando in the final hour..."

Blue_and_Whte · Post #78 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:23 pm

Well whatever happens I hope they bring in proven leadership to the gm role. Walsh would be perfect. As far as HC bshaw or Nate.

WeAreVenom · Post #79 » by **WeAreVenom** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:23 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:What we expected all along was true, Otis and Stan really wanted to trade Dwight.

Yep, Rudolph confirmed it.

Although I'd heard the rumors a few months back, I'd never really put much stock into it......until now.

How deluded do you seriously have to be to think that trading Dwight would actually help anything? Have they seen how we looked when he was gone the last month or so? Do they really think Brooke Lopez would have changed any of that?

Ridiculous. Plain and simple. Otis is too blind to see that his moves were shot-sighted and borderline ignorant, and Stan actually thinks he can help the team more than Dwight. What's funny is, Stan threw Dwight under the bus for trying to get him fired, while he was trying to get him traded.

rcklsscognition wrote:I actually think Foyle should be the assistant GM. We need a president of basketball operations, a gm, an assistant gm, new scouts, and a coach. That's a lot of spots. Who knows what assistants will get canned too. We could have 8 new guys in a month or two.

Yeah, I remember reading that we are very short-staffed on the FO front.....looks like an overhaul is coming to me.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #80 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:33 pm

WeAreVenom wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:What we expected all along was true, Otis and Stan really wanted to trade Dwight.

Yep, Rudolph confirmed it.

Although I'd heard the rumors a few months back, I'd never really put much stock into it......until now.

How deluded do you seriously have to be to think that trading Dwight would actually help anything? Have they seen how we looked when he was gone the last month or so? Do they really think Brooke Lopez would have changed any of that?

Ridiculous. Plain and simple. Otis is too blind to see that his moves were shot-sighted and borderline ignorant, and Stan actually thinks he can help the team more than Dwight. What's funny is, Stan threw Dwight under the bus for trying to get him fired, while he was trying to get him traded.

rcklsscognition wrote:I actually think Foyle should be the assistant GM. We need a president of basketball operations, a gm, an assistant gm, new scouts, and a coach. That's a lot of spots. Who knows what assistants will get canned too. We could have 8 new guys in a month or two.

Yeah, I remember reading that we are very short-staffed on the FO front.....looks like an overhaul is coming to me.

Imo Dwight still wants a trade. They can say he has nothing to do with Stan's firing all they want but fans arent stupid and dwight knows that. No matter what he's the guy that got Stan fired and he doesnt want that hanging over his head, especially if there's a regime change and it still fails. Just nip it in the bud during the draft and rebuild