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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXI: Off-Season Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXI: Off-Season Editio 

Post#61 » by woosah » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:25 pm

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As Orlando works to unload Dwight Howard, Magic focusing on Lakers' Andrew Bynum as top target, sources tell Y! Sports. Story soon on site.


I guess. If Hou pulled their offer and our FO wants to deal now then I guess this is what we will get. If the Lakers do that without Howard's opt in, that should tell you something. We just can't use patience though. This friggin deal would be there at the deadline because it would be the lakers last chance to upgrade that position or roll the dice on Bynum. If they don't do it they are stuck building around him and paying him the max with Kobe's gargantuan deal and I just don't believe they would pick that option over getting Howard. Not to mention we could go after him in FA.
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Post#62 » by rcklsscognition » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:27 pm

jezzer45 wrote:i like bynum but im still not sold on his health and mental issues. I rather go for the salary dump/young good players/draft picks. If bynum comes to orlando I wont be mad.


Insert Dwight Howard in that sentence and you've got an equal argument.
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Post#63 » by Ahmadab » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:28 pm

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DOES THE MAGIC ORGANIZATION INTEND TO PAIR BYNUM WITH SOMEONE LIKE ELLIS AND EXPECT TO GET PAST THE HEAT ? THAT AINT HAPPENING, HE'S GOTTEN HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM FOR TWO STRAIGHT YEARS NO WITH KOBE **** BRYANT ON HIS TEAM.

So what you're saying is you want to take for 5 years? Just give up?



All along i've said that the Rockets deal is perfect.oowry/Lamb/White/Jones/Martin. Martin is an expiring and can be traded for more young pieces, this puts in a great place to watch this team develop in addition to Nicholson, yes we will suck next year, but at the end of the road there's Shabbaz or Nerlens Noel. Suck a little less, get another top 10 pick and we're set with an amazing young core.
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Post#64 » by Rick Rolled » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:29 pm

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jezzer45 wrote:i like bynum but im still not sold on his health and mental issues. I rather go for the salary dump/young good players/draft picks. If bynum comes to orlando I wont be mad.


Insert Dwight Howard in that sentence and you've got an equal argument.


That's very true.

Very interested to see ho his back holds up.
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Post#65 » by woosah » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:29 pm

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PaMagicFan1 wrote:Hey guys, haven't posted in a while, but following every day. Did anyone listen to van pelt show with Linda Cohn??? WTF? I'm so sick of espn. She basically said the nets could be giving up too much for Dwight but they have to do it. She said Orlando is getting a great deal and that both sides would be extremely happy. Do these idiots even watch the games???


Shes an idiot.

Why is SHE talking about sports anyways? Has anyone ever found a woman who knew what the hell she was talking about when it comes to basketball? if a woman is gonna be on tv talking about sports, you better look real good so we can forgive your stupidity, this does not apply to mrs cohn!


While i agree that her opinion on this matter is stupid, she is rehashing what most of the MEN on espn are saying too? So why does this have to be an issue of her being female and not just about dumb a** ideas?
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Post#66 » by PigsEatHam » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:29 pm

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PaMagicFan1 wrote:Hey guys, haven't posted in a while, but following every day. Did anyone listen to van pelt show with Linda Cohn??? WTF? I'm so sick of espn. She basically said the nets could be giving up too much for Dwight but they have to do it. She said Orlando is getting a great deal and that both sides would be extremely happy. Do these idiots even watch the games???


Shes an idiot.


I'm listening to 98.5 FM (Boston sports radio), and they are saying something very similar, wonder who else we'd be sending to make it worth the Nets' while, which sounds insane, but their line of thinking goes, Why would the Nets do the trade? Sure, you get Howard, but even with Howard, Williams, Johnson, and Crash, you're still the second or third best team in the east. Basically saying the trade wouldn't make the Nets contenders--again, sounds insane to me, because I think that Nets team with Howard could make a few runs at a title, but it's a perspective. (As far as Linda Cohn goes, though, no one on ESPN has a lick of sports sense.)

And just to throw a few more cents out there, of the teams currently mentioned as trade partners, I'd go with Atlanta first, followed by Houston. I say Atlanta, because one, a team of Josh Smith, Dwight, Devin Harris, and whoever they get in free agency next year could be pretty explosive and fun to watch whilst still not being a serious title threat (they'd compete but not contend, essentially being the Clippers of the east), but also it is Dwight's hometown, and if he still wants to trot off to a big market once his contract is up, he has to pull a Lebron and bail on his birthplace, which turns him into an even more gigantic DB than he's already turning himself into.

That's from a non-sports motivation, though; I also think that trade would be good for our team going into a rebuild. Horford is a very solid player, high IQ guy, as is Teague, we shed some lousy contracts, grab a pick or two, and tank hard for next seasons' rooks to let Rob and the management structure he's putting in place to put together the team from the ground up. Houston trade offers similar benefits, but lacks in the added bonus of putting Dwight into a further PR bind.
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Post#67 » by rcklsscognition » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:32 pm

Seems like a couple of scrubs are agreeing to offer sheets today, Ryan probably agrees to one by COB today.
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Post#68 » by Nyce_1 » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:32 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:
jezzer45 wrote:i like bynum but im still not sold on his health and mental issues. I rather go for the salary dump/young good players/draft picks. If bynum comes to orlando I wont be mad.


Insert Dwight Howard in that sentence and you've got an equal argument.

:clap: 100% agree.

Look people, these offers aren't as good as we'd like. Either keep him and lose him for nothing or trade him to HIS preferred team and take back garbage? Hell no.

Send him to LAL for Bynum and screw him out of Brooklyn.
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Post#69 » by OrlandO » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:32 pm

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DOES THE MAGIC ORGANIZATION INTEND TO PAIR BYNUM WITH SOMEONE LIKE ELLIS AND EXPECT TO GET PAST THE HEAT ? THAT AINT HAPPENING, HE'S GOTTEN HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM FOR TWO STRAIGHT YEARS NO WITH KOBE **** BRYANT ON HIS TEAM.

So what you're saying is you want to take for 5 years? Just give up?



All along i've said that the Rockets deal is perfect.oowry/Lamb/White/Jones/Martin. Martin is an expiring and can be traded for more young pieces, this puts in a great place to watch this team develop in addition to Nicholson, yes we will suck next year, but at the end of the road there's Shabbaz or Nerlens Noel. Suck a little less, get another top 10 pick and we're set with an amazing young core.

:lol: We are not getting that haul from the Rockets for an unsigned Dwight. Keep dreaming.
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Post#70 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:33 pm

So basically magic. Fans dont like any of the potential trades on the table for dwight, and talking about how horrible Henny is already. Can't say I'm surprised.

"Rob BETTER not make that trade..." Or what LOL, Wtf are people going to actually do if he does....stop watching???? Oooooooooo that'll show him. Calm down people.
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Post#71 » by InFlames » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:33 pm

Horford/Teague is def better than anything the Nets can do.
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Post#72 » by pogiro » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:33 pm

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OrlandO wrote:
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As Orlando works to unload Dwight Howard, Magic focusing on Lakers' Andrew Bynum as top target, sources tell Y! Sports. Story soon on site.


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DOES THE MAGIC ORGANIZATION INTEND TO PAIR BYNUM WITH SOMEONE LIKE ELLIS AND EXPECT TO GET PAST THE HEAT ? THAT AINT HAPPENING, HE'S GOTTEN HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM FOR TWO STRAIGHT YEARS NOW WITH KOBE **** BRYANT ON HIS TEAM. REBUILD, NOT RELOAD, WE HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, BYNUM WILL HAVE STUCK WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW BUT POTENTIALLY WITH WORSE DEFENSE AND SLIGHTLY BETTER OFFENSE. HOLY ****.


He's not as good on defense, but that's not saying much considering Dwight was DPOY 3 years in a row. He's not garbage on defense or anything. Hopefully the new team will be constructed so that the team is good at defense and not just rely on the center to clean up everyone's mess.

Bynum would be a fine player to build around, talent-wise. What concerns me is will injuries always be a problem? Did he just get lucky this past season? But you can't assume that if we tank, we'd get a player of Bynum's talent level through the draft. It just doesn't work that way. Look at how many failed top 5 picks there are. The Magic have been fortunate to go from Shaq, to Tmac to Dwight without too many lag years. It's not that automatic though to bring in stars.

If Bynum is the best player we can get for Dwight, then you do it.
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Post#73 » by InFlames » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:34 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:So basically magic. Fans dont like any of the potential trades on the table for dwight, and talking about how horrible Henny is already. Can't say I'm surprised.

"Rob BETTER not make that trade..." Or what LOL, Wtf are people going to actually do if he does....stop watching???? Oooooooooo that'll show him. Calm down people.


It's called hyperbole.
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Post#74 » by jezzer45 » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:35 pm

ive been hearing about it with no real info, Can someone tell me whats up with hou and dragic?
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Post#75 » by Ahmadab » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:36 pm

OrlandO wrote: :lol: We are not getting that haul from the Rockets for an unsigned Dwight. Keep dreaming.


That was their offer before the draft, and now they don't fear that he might bolt to Brooklyn..
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Post#76 » by TDJacksonville » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:37 pm

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jezzer45 wrote:i like bynum but im still not sold on his health and mental issues. I rather go for the salary dump/young good players/draft picks. If bynum comes to orlando I wont be mad.


Insert Dwight Howard in that sentence and you've got an equal argument.

:clap: 100% agree.

Look people, these offers aren't as good as we'd like. Either keep him and lose him for nothing or trade him to HIS preferred team and take back garbage? Hell no.

Send him to LAL for Bynum and screw him out of Brooklyn.


still rather trade him to ATL for that collection of stuff i posted earlier in the Howard speculation deal.

i know bynums a talent but i dont trust his Knees.
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Post#77 » by MoMM » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:37 pm

Landry Fields has agreed to a three-year offer sheet with the Raptors worth approximately $20 million.

Man, Ryno will get so overpaid this summer!
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Post#78 » by cvMagic » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:37 pm

Cigamodnalro wrote:
MagicTownBaller wrote:Al Horford (Rich man's Brook Lopez), Jeff Teague, and 2 1st Round Picks for Dwight Howard and Chris Duhon

Do you do it?


Yes. Al Horford is more than a rich man's Brook Lopez. He's a poor man's Tim Duncan.

I love how everyone considers Atlanta's talent to be sooooo amazing - Josh Smith, Horford, Johnson - yet this team got out of the first round one time. Just because they're good on NBA 2k doesn't mean it translates to actually winning in the NBA.

Meanwhile, Bynum has rings on his fingers, numerous deep playoff runs of experience, an emerging game, and is only 24 years old.
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Post#79 » by OrlChamps2030 » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:37 pm

Ahmadab wrote:
OrlandO wrote:
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As Orlando works to unload Dwight Howard, Magic focusing on Lakers' Andrew Bynum as top target, sources tell Y! Sports. Story soon on site.


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DOES THE MAGIC ORGANIZATION INTEND TO PAIR BYNUM WITH SOMEONE LIKE ELLIS AND EXPECT TO GET PAST THE HEAT ? THAT AINT HAPPENING, HE'S GOTTEN HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM FOR TWO STRAIGHT YEARS NOW WITH KOBE **** BRYANT ON HIS TEAM. REBUILD, NOT RELOAD, WE HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, BYNUM WILL HAVE STUCK WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW BUT POTENTIALLY WITH WORSE DEFENSE AND SLIGHTLY BETTER OFFENSE. HOLY ****.


:lol: :lol: :lol: i love seeing embarrassing knee jerk reactions on realgm

losing a superstar player and getting back the #2 center in the league (that has a higher ceiling than dwight) and cap relief for 2013 with a gm at the helm making solid draft acquisitions? sign me up
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Post#80 » by RickB-Orlando » Tue Jul 3, 2012 5:37 pm

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The Effect wrote:Can someone explain to me how the nets can afford to sign Dwill for the max, D12 for the max, trade for JJ whose on a max deal, sign Wallace for 10mil, sign that euro for 5-6?? Just those 5 are around 75mil, add in players to fill the roster and thats easily an 85mil payroll

Also, that would make it almost impossible to trade them a bad contract like duhon, Jrich or Hedo


They'd trade Wallace, Lopez, Kris, and Brooks. They can inflate Lopez and Kris as high as other team will allow giving them more room. They'd have 62.5 locked up in D12, Dwill, JJ, and MLE.

Who would they trade wallace too, and please dont say us!

I thought Wallace can't be traded until at least December 15th

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