Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 I: Big decisions on the horizon

[yoyojw17]

Are you guys really judging Fultz by a random video showing him messing around doing some spinning trick shots?

Well you guys might have never played bball if you think he is practicing layups. Chill out.

I'm just happy to see that they are back on the court and getting back into the swing of things.... even though they were slated to not play for the rest of the season. shoot.... even if he was stroking 3's without a hitch in his shot... "well... let's see him do that in a game... i'm sure the ticks will develop during a stressful situation" type comments would have arisen. lol... he would lose no matter what he did, until he was dropping 25 a night on teams.

[MoMM]

This playoffs exposed complete lack of small,ballhanlding wing on this team.
Isaac had 1 assist in 5 games and he never put ball on the floor.
Gordon tried to play with a ball but Raptors didn't give a flying F about him doing it, so they were putting even Vleet to guard him.

There are things to complain about JI's offensive game (or lack there of), but assists is not one of them IMO. His only role in the offense is to camp out at the three point line and wait for a pass.

So, can't he pass to anyone else when he gets the ball at the corner? Oops, he did it one time in 5 games...

I think we need a real PF too, one that gets rebounds, we can't have our PF averaging 7 RPG and playing like a SF.

[IllMagic04]

If you build a limited offensive team you cant be surprised that they look bad on offense when the stakes are high. Players improve but if you draft a player whos limited on offense in college then theres a good chance that will continue. Gordon was not a offensive player at all in college and his improvments have been fantastic. Hes wayyy better then I thought hed be when we drafted him. But theres still a cap on it. Hes never going to be a great offensive player I love JI but I dont see him ever being much of an offensive threat. Bamba will improve but Im pretty sure he will never even be better then Vuc offensivley. Iwundu is not a offensive threat. MCW is not an offensive threat. Theres a good chance Fultz will just be another guy who cant shoot. The Raps were great on defense but its not hard to defend us when you have time to prepare. Double Vuc in the post and blitz all off ball screens involving Ross. So to be honest I dunno how to proceed cause I never woulda built this team like this to begain with. It was a fun playoff push. I enjoyed it alot. I have no idea where to go from here. Im down to move on from Vuc as Im prepared to go back to the lottery. If your one of those who want to make the playoffs next year then signing Vuc back is a no brainer.

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[MaxFischer]

This playoffs exposed complete lack of small,ballhanlding wing on this team.
Isaac had 1 assist in 5 games and he never put ball on the floor.
Gordon tried to play with a ball but Raptors didn't give a flying F about him doing it, so they were putting even Vleet to guard him.

There are things to complain about JI's offensive game (or lack there of), but assists is not one of them IMO. His only role in the offense is to camp out at the three point line and wait for a pass.

So, can't he pass to anyone else when he gets the ball at the corner? Oops, he did it one time in 5 games...

I think we need a real PF too, one that gets rebounds, we can't have our PF averaging 7 RPG and playing like a SF.

How do we know he didn't? I think most would agree that usually when JI sees the ball out in the corner he is alone, and in that case he should shoot and not pass. And if he does pass, what if the other guys misses his shot? I mean there are other variables in play. I'm just not overly concerned with his number of assists given his role in the offense.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

There are things to complain about JI's offensive game (or lack there of), but assists is not one of them IMO. His only role in the offense is to camp out at the three point line and wait for a pass.

So, can't he pass to anyone else when he gets the ball at the corner? Oops, he did it one time in 5 games...

I think we need a real PF too, one that gets rebounds, we can't have our PF averaging 7 RPG and playing like a SF.

How do we know he didn't? I think most would agree that usually when JI sees the ball out in the corner he is alone, and in that case he should shoot and not pass. And if he does pass, what if the other guys misses his shot? I mean there are other variables in play. I'm just not overly concerned with his number of assists given his role in the offense.

JI's role in this offense is to: stand at 3 point line either in corner or top of key and shoot the ball. Big issue is Isaac is not a good shooter and I don't ever see him being a good shooter. He was a 34% 3 point shooter in college from 3 on 2 attempts, in the NBA he is now 32% on 3.5 attempts and I guarantee at least 2 of those attempts are WIDE OPEN.

Isaac's game needs to be in the mid-range but we're running through Vuc in the soft post trying to work a PnR game with EF and DJ. Can't put Isaac in the mid-range and crowd things even more so he's pushed to the 3 point line.

Until Magic get a Guard/Wing who can attack and finish at the rim every player on this team will be forced/put into a position they might not excel at. Been saying this since year 2 of EP and here we are still needing shooting and players with offensive talent.

[pepe1991]

Regardless what Magic do in FA, Isaac has to develop his game.
At college had nice dribble pull up mid range from what i remember.
In nba almost all his 3s are open.

He simply has to add muscles. He is being knocked on the floor by guards ,who probably weight as much as him. He has no usage of his size on offense if he can't post up and can't take contact.
I'm always against player standing in corner , doing nothing just to give excuse to coach to tell front office how he is giving him PT ( happend in rookie year to Hezonja and Gordon ). I would prefer young player comming off bench, actually doing something, than "playing" 25 min with 12% usage rate as starters.

I hope this disaster of playoffs ( on offense) motivates him to learn how to play as big, or at least shoot/handle like a wing, right now he is non of both worlds.

Long term i just don't see him being wing type prospect, he is too stiff, too tall to handle ball and doesn't have explosivnes to attack off dribble like Siakam or Giannis have. Long time ago i said he reminds me of Ibaka, i still think that's most objective ceiling for him. Big with mid range who can shoot 3s but is streaky at that, and who can block shots. Not greatest rebounder. That's Ibaka in nutshell.

[VFX]

So, can't he pass to anyone else when he gets the ball at the corner? Oops, he did it one time in 5 games...

I think we need a real PF too, one that gets rebounds, we can't have our PF averaging 7 RPG and playing like a SF.

How do we know he didn't? I think most would agree that usually when JI sees the ball out in the corner he is alone, and in that case he should shoot and not pass. And if he does pass, what if the other guys misses his shot? I mean there are other variables in play. I'm just not overly concerned with his number of assists given his role in the offense.

JI's role in this offense is to: stand at 3 point line either in corner or top of key and shoot the ball. Big issue is Isaac is not a good shooter and I don't ever see him being a good shooter. He was a 34% 3 point shooter in college from 3 on 2 attempts, in the NBA he is now 32% on 3.5 attempts and I guarantee at least 2 of those attempts are WIDE OPEN.

Isaac's game needs to be in the mid-range but we're running through Vuc in the soft post trying to work a PnR game with EF and DJ. Can't put Isaac in the mid-range and crowd things even more so he's pushed to the 3 point line.

Until Magic get a Guard/Wing who can attack and finish at the rim every player on this team will be forced/put into a position they might not excel at. Been saying this since year 2 of EP and here we are still needing shooting and players with offensive talent.

You simply can’t run your offense through a Center, that doesn’t stretch the floor, if you lack reliable perimeter players or playmaking guards.

The best version of that is Denver, with one of the best passing bigs ever, and it still isn’t enough. Bringing back Vuc would be a mistake without the right personnel around him. 20 people in this poll are delusional to think anything would change giving him a big contract while lacking these players.

If we could bring him back on a tradable deal, then fine. He’s not going to sign for less and take less years at his age though. The last thing Orlando needs is another bloated contract tied to a unmovable Center with depreciating value.

[OrlandO]

Seeing the stats on open 3s vs Toronto these last four games is really depressing. I don't think there's a team that would have shot worse blind folded...

Spoiler:

[MagicStarwipe]

Hell no they are damn serious about it .

I was joking, personally.

[Bakomagic]

Are you guys really judging Fultz by a random video showing him messing around doing some spinning trick shots?

Well you guys might have never played bball if you think he is practicing layups. Chill out.

Seriously we’ve all done this on the side court waiting for our turn on the main court haha.

the only thing more common when screwing around on the side court waiting for your time with the trainer is shooting the ball from out of bounds over the backboard to arch in a shot.

[MoMM]

Isaac should be a good 3-D, but at this point he is too raw (even for a 3-D) and needs to add some muscle. You can't have a defense specialist that is so slim and gets pushed by anyone. Not saying he won't get better, but at this moment, he shouldn't be a starting SF in any NBA team. Guy averaged 6/6 in 28mpg, our backup PG was better than that and he can't shot too.

We, as a team, need a physical player, someone that is an enforcer. Our team is too soft (not saying they don't try hard), but that's their nature, IMO.

[zaymon]

Isaac should be a good 3-D, but at this point he is too raw (even for a 3-D) and needs to add some muscle. You can't have a defense specialist that is so slim and gets pushed by anyone. Not saying he won't get better, but at this moment, he shouldn't be a starting SF in any NBA team. Guy averaged 6/6 in 28mpg, our backup PG was better than that and he can't shot too.

We, as a team, need a physical player, someone that is an enforcer. Our team is too soft (not saying they don't try hard), but that's their nature, IMO.

I listened to podcast with David Tenney, he said players make most physical progress until 23 years old. It would kind of fit with Gordon who seems physicaly mature.

[Ducklett]

So, can't he pass to anyone else when he gets the ball at the corner? Oops, he did it one time in 5 games...

I think we need a real PF too, one that gets rebounds, we can't have our PF averaging 7 RPG and playing like a SF.

How do we know he didn't? I think most would agree that usually when JI sees the ball out in the corner he is alone, and in that case he should shoot and not pass. And if he does pass, what if the other guys misses his shot? I mean there are other variables in play. I'm just not overly concerned with his number of assists given his role in the offense.

JI's role in this offense is to: stand at 3 point line either in corner or top of key and shoot the ball. Big issue is Isaac is not a good shooter and I don't ever see him being a good shooter. He was a 34% 3 point shooter in college from 3 on 2 attempts, in the NBA he is now 32% on 3.5 attempts and I guarantee at least 2 of those attempts are WIDE OPEN.

Isaac's game needs to be in the mid-range but we're running through Vuc in the soft post trying to work a PnR game with EF and DJ. Can't put Isaac in the mid-range and crowd things even more so he's pushed to the 3 point line.

Until Magic get a Guard/Wing who can attack and finish at the rim every player on this team will be forced/put into a position they might not excel at. Been saying this since year 2 of EP and here we are still needing shooting and players with offensive talent.

How do you guys expect for us to get offensive talent blowing 35-40 million on re-signing Ross and Vuc? Just magically going to walk through the door?

[IllMagic04]

How do we know he didn't? I think most would agree that usually when JI sees the ball out in the corner he is alone, and in that case he should shoot and not pass. And if he does pass, what if the other guys misses his shot? I mean there are other variables in play. I'm just not overly concerned with his number of assists given his role in the offense.

JI's role in this offense is to: stand at 3 point line either in corner or top of key and shoot the ball. Big issue is Isaac is not a good shooter and I don't ever see him being a good shooter. He was a 34% 3 point shooter in college from 3 on 2 attempts, in the NBA he is now 32% on 3.5 attempts and I guarantee at least 2 of those attempts are WIDE OPEN.

Isaac's game needs to be in the mid-range but we're running through Vuc in the soft post trying to work a PnR game with EF and DJ. Can't put Isaac in the mid-range and crowd things even more so he's pushed to the 3 point line.

Until Magic get a Guard/Wing who can attack and finish at the rim every player on this team will be forced/put into a position they might not excel at. Been saying this since year 2 of EP and here we are still needing shooting and players with offensive talent.

How do you guys expect for us to get offensive talent blowing 35-40 million on re-signing Ross and Vuc? Just magically going to walk through the door?

I think alot of people are depending on Fultz. Which is a bad idea.

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

JI's role in this offense is to: stand at 3 point line either in corner or top of key and shoot the ball. Big issue is Isaac is not a good shooter and I don't ever see him being a good shooter. He was a 34% 3 point shooter in college from 3 on 2 attempts, in the NBA he is now 32% on 3.5 attempts and I guarantee at least 2 of those attempts are WIDE OPEN.

Isaac's game needs to be in the mid-range but we're running through Vuc in the soft post trying to work a PnR game with EF and DJ. Can't put Isaac in the mid-range and crowd things even more so he's pushed to the 3 point line.

Until Magic get a Guard/Wing who can attack and finish at the rim every player on this team will be forced/put into a position they might not excel at. Been saying this since year 2 of EP and here we are still needing shooting and players with offensive talent.

How do you guys expect for us to get offensive talent blowing 35-40 million on re-signing Ross and Vuc? Just magically going to walk through the door?

I think alot of people are depending on Fultz. Which is a bad idea.

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Friends... its nice to meet you!!!!!!!! I'm on the same train, I really don't see a positive path forward if we give Vuc + TRoss big deals.

If Fultz even gives us MCW role minutes that would be massive, and I'm not putting my rebuild on his wagon. I would love to see them draft a guard with that 46 pick. Edwards, Jones, Ponds, Jaylen Nowell or the Lecque kid if he comes out.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Another poll....good
We had A Successful season. if we lose vuc and Ross we'll be starting from scratch. I dont think it gets much more complicated than that.
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[yoyojw17]

Isaac should be a good 3-D, but at this point he is too raw (even for a 3-D) and needs to add some muscle. You can't have a defense specialist that is so slim and gets pushed by anyone. Not saying he won't get better, but at this moment, he shouldn't be a starting SF in any NBA team. Guy averaged 6/6 in 28mpg, our backup PG was better than that and he can't shot too.

We, as a team, need a physical player, someone that is an enforcer. Our team is too soft (not saying they don't try hard), but that's their nature, IMO.

I listened to podcast with David Tenney, he said players make most physical progress until 23 years old. It would kind of fit with Gordon who seems physicaly mature.

Agreed! Thanks for that tidbit too.

People make it seem like it all happens over night. Players have to grow into their bodies. not everyone can add 15 lb of muscle in an off season and then maintain it during the course of the following season. It takes time.... and we all knew this draft him and bamba. so there shouldn't be tons of griping about how "he needs to this and needs to that" as though that is not part of the plan and they are coming up with some form of revelation.

Look at whiteside and shoot even birch... the only reason they fell off and was able to come back was because they went from twigs to putting on muscle. Isaac and bamba are works in progress... sadly the frustrations for most people ends up lessening the time lines that most people are willing to give them to become what they can become.

Hope this view doesn't extend to the FO and rash decisions are made. lol

[Knightro]

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Just show me a video of Fultz shooting a 3 in an empty gym.

Best I can do...

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[SOUL]

Isaac should be a good 3-D, but at this point he is too raw (even for a 3-D) and needs to add some muscle. You can't have a defense specialist that is so slim and gets pushed by anyone. Not saying he won't get better, but at this moment, he shouldn't be a starting SF in any NBA team. Guy averaged 6/6 in 28mpg, our backup PG was better than that and he can't shot too.

We, as a team, need a physical player, someone that is an enforcer. Our team is too soft (not saying they don't try hard), but that's their nature, IMO.

Isaac is an obvious starter with his defense and especially him learning how to shoot corner threes the latter half of the season.