Markelle Fultz Updates Thread

[thelead]

It seems like the majority of fans in the east are hoping he doesn't pan out.

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Of course. If he pans out, we become a major problem to other teams in the east.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Again, Fultz has already proven his ability to push the ball and get to the rim at will, adding even a respectable 3pt shot makes him dangerous. If his form is “fixed” the game is going to come so much more easier to him and benefits us. Everyone in here should be hoping for that outcome.

[swarlesbarkley]

That jumper looks smoother than it did in college. Count me in on the hype train.

[swarlesbarkley]

People simply can't wrap their heads around fact that shooting in empty gym ,while guarded by nobody and shooting in game are two different things. I litearlly watched freaking Zubac shoot 3s in empty gym like he is Curry . Guy is 0-4 in his whole nba career for 3.


Matter of fact go watch shootarounds of any college/ NCAA/ G league players, they can't miss during practice. It's normal.
Best example why empty arena shooting means nothing is Stauskas, who made what? 70 out of 76 threes during summer of 2013? Nik Stauskas shot 35% for 3 in nba and is now out of nba. You can watch tape if you google it.

I would be thrilled if Fultz returns with jumper, but posting this "montage" of him shooting two shots, with third being with left hand really does nothing for me. It's like being exited that Birch can touch net. Like really? That's how low bar is set?

Just a couple things:
1. Even though he's playing against some scrubs, he's not shooting alone in a gym. He's practicing real-time shots against defenders.
2. This isn't a montage, it's an unedited clip of 3 shots. 2 looked smooth and went in, 1 was a lefty floater thing that missed. I'd also be skeptical if we saw 3 shots with 3 cuts in the clip, but this isn't that.
3. Just those 2 shots look smoother than any of his other NBA shots (aka something is different/improved).

We still need to see some FTs, but this is much different than those videos last summer of him shooting unguarded with Drew Hanlan.

[Orange Ave.]

https://streamable.com/6g8fe

Here's an active link to the video

[basketballRob]

At least we know that he has been working on the court. It may be a Magic policy not to allow videos of the workouts.

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[SOUL]

Am I the only one that doesn't care about these videos? He could be making 100 in a row or missing 100, I just want him to get minutes during the season and not be hampered by his injury (?), as well as to be involved in normal team activities when training camp starts.

[Skin]

SUPERSTAR.

Anyone else wanna use my sig? Been callin' this ****!

[drsd]

Am I the only one that doesn't care about these videos? He could be making 100 in a row or missing 100, I just want him to get minutes during the season and not be hampered by his injury (?), as well as to be involved in normal team activities when training camp starts.

a) I also do not care about these videos, beyond that they prove he is actually working out.

b) If Fultz hit 100 in a row, I guess we would all take notice of that



Curry going off in practice:

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[yoyojw17]

haha =)

it's gonna be fun in a few months, either you or many of us will be eating a lot of pie. humble pie.

I posted video from last summer on purpose.
it was same old crap like this year, some shaky camera, empty arena ,filmed with nokia 33 10 videos of him shooting just to him returning to nba without jumper.

People simply can't wrap their heads around fact that shooting in empty gym ,while guarded by nobody and shooting in game are two different things. I litearlly watched freaking Zubac shoot 3s in empty gym like he is Curry . Guy is 0-4 in his whole nba career for 3.


Matter of fact go watch shootarounds of any college/ NCAA/ G league players, they can't miss during practice. It's normal.
Best example why empty arena shooting means nothing is Stauskas, who made what? 70 out of 76 threes during summer of 2013? Nik Stauskas shot 35% for 3 in nba and is now out of nba. You can watch tape if you google it.

I would be thrilled if Fultz returns with jumper, but posting this "montage" of him shooting two shots, with third being with left hand really does nothing for me. It's like being exited that Birch can touch net. Like really? That's how low bar is set?

I think so. Since the last time we saw him on the court the most we have seen from him is some trick shot layups and him bricking an open jumper in a gym while being secretly recorded. All of that was also met with our GM basically coming out and saying he has no idea when he will even play again.

Considering most of us are just praying we even get to see him in uniform this season the bar is quite honestly set pretty low. Seeing him cut down some weight and make open jumpers with good form is enough to get me excited. I can understand why others would be more skeptical though as I have gone back and forth on where we stand with him this summer as well.

I personally don't give a d*** if he shot 25/126 on the season.... as long as he can take them and come out of the season healthy. That on it's own is a success. That to me is the first and biggest hurdle. Accuracy and consistency can come next. so i agree with prime... watching him in an open gym and TAKING SHOTs... gets me excited.

[Blue_and_Whte]

People simply can't wrap their heads around fact that shooting in empty gym ,while guarded by nobody and shooting in game are two different things. I litearlly watched freaking Zubac shoot 3s in empty gym like he is Curry . Guy is 0-4 in his whole nba career for 3.


Matter of fact go watch shootarounds of any college/ NCAA/ G league players, they can't miss during practice. It's normal.
Best example why empty arena shooting means nothing is Stauskas, who made what? 70 out of 76 threes during summer of 2013? Nik Stauskas shot 35% for 3 in nba and is now out of nba. You can watch tape if you google it.

I would be thrilled if Fultz returns with jumper, but posting this "montage" of him shooting two shots, with third being with left hand really does nothing for me. It's like being exited that Birch can touch net. Like really? That's how low bar is set?

It doesn't matter. Shooting In an empty gym is inevitable when honing your skills in the off-season. He's at least trying to mimic shooting under preassure.

Furthermore if this were someone like WCS the argument would make sense but in this scenario you're talking about a player who was a legitimate jumpshooter in college, fixing an issue that could bring that aspect of his game back which was part of what made him a tip 3 pick.
People are looking at his form not the ability to make a jumper in a non game scenerio. You don't some how grasp shooting in an empty gym any better than anyone else, it's just that nobody else is focused on that but you.

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[yoyojw17]

I think so. Since the last time we saw him on the court the most we have seen from him is some trick shot layups and him bricking an open jumper in a gym while being secretly recorded. All of that was also met with our GM basically coming out and saying he has no idea when he will even play again.

Considering most of us are just praying we even get to see him in uniform this season the bar is quite honestly set pretty low. Seeing him cut down some weight and make open jumpers with good form is enough to get me excited. I can understand why others would be more skeptical though as I have gone back and forth on where we stand with him this summer as well.

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i'm going through this and his shooting form in games, especially from mid range didn't look that bad at all.
Threes were akward sometimes ( not in all attemps) but FT shooting was the worst.

at 2:45 and 2:52 mark you have him shooting mid range 2 ( similar to one that was on video above ) and spot up 3

Part of it for me was wondering if he was going to have to drastically change his form due to the shoulder injury. Admittedly, his free throw form was the major concern last season so that will be the thing to look out for in videos or when he plays next season. Hopefully, it has improved.

I truly believe it has nothing to do with the form per say. But moreso the extreme stress he put on it while training.

His mind was telling him yes.... but his bodyyyy.... his booooooddddyyyy.... was telling him nooooooo. lol

and then the TOS occurred. He probably can handle form... just overdid it and that ended up creating a problem instead. Slowly ramping up and strengthening the muscles and tendons n sh** would allow him use the form permanently. Which to me makes sense in him taking so long to come back. Clear the TOS effects... slowly ramp up the workouts and increasing the reps per day ... keeping it comfortable and safe for him.... and most importantly.... sustainable.

[pepe1991]

People simply can't wrap their heads around fact that shooting in empty gym ,while guarded by nobody and shooting in game are two different things. I litearlly watched freaking Zubac shoot 3s in empty gym like he is Curry . Guy is 0-4 in his whole nba career for 3.


Matter of fact go watch shootarounds of any college/ NCAA/ G league players, they can't miss during practice. It's normal.
Best example why empty arena shooting means nothing is Stauskas, who made what? 70 out of 76 threes during summer of 2013? Nik Stauskas shot 35% for 3 in nba and is now out of nba. You can watch tape if you google it.

I would be thrilled if Fultz returns with jumper, but posting this "montage" of him shooting two shots, with third being with left hand really does nothing for me. It's like being exited that Birch can touch net. Like really? That's how low bar is set?

It doesn't matter. Shooting In an empty gym is inevitable when honing your skills in the off-season. He's at least trying to mimic shooting under preassure.

Furthermore if this were someone like WCS the argument would make sense but in this scenario you're talking about a player who was a legitimate jumpshooter in college, fixing an issue that could bring that aspect of his game back which was part of what made him a tip 3 pick.
People are looking at his form not the ability to make a jumper in a non game scenerio. You don't some how grasp shooting in an empty gym any better than anyone else, it's just that nobody else is focused on that but you.

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Stop right there.

This is problematic part of one and done ,has nothing and everything to do with Fultz and many, many other young players.

Markelle Fultz shot 41,3% for 3 at college.
Did you know how many threes he make? 52 . On 126 attemps.

Player A made 80 threes on 41% for 3 in same season and in nba can't shoot at all

Spoiler:

Lonzo Ball

player B made 6 threes less than Fultz in one college season and his TS is among worst among guards

Spoiler:

Justise Winslow

Player C also made 80 threes during college year and in nba he can score, but shooting from outside is still his main issue

Spoiler:

Brandon Ingram

Fultz, much like players A ,B and C had pretty bad FT% , around 68%.
I did not pick bad nba players, i pick players that had almost identical shooting numbers as Fultz at college ,yet failed to deliver it in nba ( yet...?)

And this is issuse. We base "realistic opinions, ceilings and floors" based on 20-30 games player played at age of 18 or 19 at college level, while don't even playing under same basketball rules like it's being player in nba, even quaters don't exist, 3 point line isn't even at same rage, it's almost like different sport.

We assume somebody is good or bad shooter based on 100-140 attemps over 20-30 games. We assume somebody can be playmaker because once he had 10 assists and just turn blind eye in other 5 games where he had 2. (nod nod Josh Jackson and playmaking ), we pretend somebody will over night learn how to be good defender "because he is smart " ( Okafor). Most of our predictions and projections are nothing but flat out guessing combined with wishful thinking.


It's not like nobody actually noticed some of his flaws as prospect back in 2017

Fultz is wowing scouts for his ability to “create his own shot”. He’s one of that guy with tons of moves, so to speak. He has great change of pace ability off the pick and roll and should be strong at making difficult shots. In scouts eyes Fultz is therefore being projected as a guaranteed 20 point per game scorer.

However the ability to create your own midrange shot off the dribble is quickly becoming phased out for guards. Valuing Fultz ability to create midrange shots off the dribble is like valuing college Jahlil Okafor’s post moves, it’s not that this doesn’t add value to his career, it’s that you can be good at that and still suck. If all Fultz can do is hit those difficult Kobe shots, it’s not going to still make him some 20 point per game guy, he would more likely be a bust swirling down the Okafor vortex of death.

Therefore it comes down to how well he can score from the efficient part on the floor, 3, rim and FT line. His feel for the game, change of pace, ballhandling, size, ability to recognize space will help him here too. However while he shot 41% from 3, like Brandon Ingram last year I would warn about calling a player who shot 64.9% FT as an elite shooting prospect. I see the best predicting of shooting as a combination as 3P%, 3pt attempt volume and FT% and Fultz on the whole rates as only ok when looking at the bigger picture. Fultz ranked 14th in 3P% in DX top 100 for players with over 1 attempt per 40 minutes, 24th in 3PA/40 and 67th in FT%. From the Celtics perspective this is also dangerous because if Fultz doesn’t have the ability to shoot 3s and play off the ball, his fit with Isaiah Thomas becomes more untenable.

But let's face it ,alternatives for 1# pick in 2017 were : Lonzo Ball ( whole world knew he wanted to go to LAL who had 2# Pick ) and Josh Jackson, troubled young man with potential of ... Jimmy Butler, well not that sexy ,right ?

Overall it's just hard to me to paint him as elite shooter in past, knowing that his shooting was pretty similar ( pretty much copy past same ) as Ingram's and Lonzo Ball's shooting at college. And since he joined NBA , for whatever reason ( health, TOS, jips or flat out being bad at shooting) he simply couldn't shoot.

Btw it's kind a trivia, but did you know that not a single GM in 2017 voted Fultz as potential ROY. Not even Philly GM.

https://www.nba.com/gmsurvey/2017/
Funny how Josh Jackson was viewed as elite prospect by almost all GMs in nba...

[basketballRob]

Isaac says Fultz has been down in Orlando working hard. There is an Instagram video of Isaac making a driving layup on the NBA's page.

I think he said, they won a couple games against the National team

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[tiderulz]

Regardless of his jumper being good or bad, you can tell just by those two clips alone that Fultz brings a level of quickness, explosiveness and change of direction with the basketball in his hands that literally no one else on this team provides AT ALL.

He just can't be a completely unwilling shooter. He has to be willing to take threes/jump shots without hesitation.

People truly dont get this easy concept.

Fultz was compared to James Harden at one point and both carry similar playing styles. We dont need nor realistically expect lights out Fultz, we need a healthy, play-making Fultz and we'll be in GREAT shape.

when was this?

[SOUL]

Regardless of his jumper being good or bad, you can tell just by those two clips alone that Fultz brings a level of quickness, explosiveness and change of direction with the basketball in his hands that literally no one else on this team provides AT ALL.

He just can't be a completely unwilling shooter. He has to be willing to take threes/jump shots without hesitation.

People truly dont get this easy concept.

Fultz was compared to James Harden at one point and both carry similar playing styles. We dont need nor realistically expect lights out Fultz, we need a healthy, play-making Fultz and we'll be in GREAT shape.

when was this?

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/sixers/2017-NBA-Draft-sixers-76ers-Markelle-Fultz-number-one-james-harden-clone-bilas-rose-espn.html

[NotACat]

People truly dont get this easy concept.

Fultz was compared to James Harden at one point and both carry similar playing styles. We dont need nor realistically expect lights out Fultz, we need a healthy, play-making Fultz and we'll be in GREAT shape.

when was this?

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/sports/sixers/2017-NBA-Draft-sixers-76ers-Markelle-Fultz-number-one-james-harden-clone-bilas-rose-espn.html

Also throughout the 2017 draft process.

[spinedoc]

His shot looks good to me. He's got a high release point, mostly wrist and not elbow or shoulder. He's not pushing it, nice stroke. I don't see any restriction. So, nothing there regarding pain, or surgery/scar tissue or joint mechanics. That's all I needed to see. The question really is if that bell is going off in his head when it feels right. His legs never had a problem, dude is going to move that defense around very effectively. I'm jacked, we can make a big leap forward if we get some solid consistent pg play.

[Optimus_Steel]

His shot looks good to me. He's got a high release point, mostly wrist and not elbow or shoulder. He's not pushing it, nice stroke. I don't see any restriction. So, nothing there regarding pain, or surgery/scar tissue or joint mechanics. That's all I needed to see. The question really is if that bell is going off in his head when it feels right. His legs never had a problem, dude is going to move that defense around very effectively. I'm jacked, we can make a big leap forward if we get some solid consistent pg play.

Could be the break this franchise has been waiting for years. Didn't luck out in the draft all those years (since the Dwight trade), maybe the basketball God's will give us some mercy.

[thelead]

Here comes Pepe to tell us 41% from 3 for Fultz isn’t good while just last week he was saying that Rose shooting 33% wasn’t too bad and pretty decent.