Aaron Gordon - In or Out?

[cedric76]

Actually, Wiggins fills a role for GS. If he plays to his ability, he’s a pretty good fit at SF. The idea is probably more keeping him and adding Gordon. A frontline of Wiggins, Gordon, Draymond makes a lot of sense.

Interesting. He’s played 12 total games and zero with your starting back court. I guess he can be a rich mans Harrison Barnes with a 4/$27m deal.

In the interest of not making this a GSW thread (couldn’t care less about your roster),which between Vuc and AG would you say are more sought after by warriors fans?

Gordon. Doubt there's any interest in Vuc by Warriors fans or front office

Not interested in a stretch C that can Score, Rebound and pass the ball on a very good contract? i m sure they r

[NW]

Interesting. He’s played 12 total games and zero with your starting back court. I guess he can be a rich mans Harrison Barnes with a 4/$27m deal.

In the interest of not making this a GSW thread (couldn’t care less about your roster),which between Vuc and AG would you say are more sought after by warriors fans?

Gordon. Doubt there's any interest in Vuc by Warriors fans or front office

Not interested in a stretch C that can Score, Rebound and pass the ball on a very good contract? i m sure they r

For the price when, more often than not, they go with Draymond down the stretch at center. Doubt it. Not a reflection on Vuc’s skill, he’s a real good player. Just not a terrific fit.

Now, if they get D’Lo Russell vibes from Wiggins after this minicamp this week, all bets are off and I could see them maybe expanding talks if Orlando is willing to take him without asking for the farm

[pepe1991]

Wiggins is negative asset. Guy is basketball thumor for team he is on. Warriors were on drugs when they took him, now they talk up in media about him to find foolish suitor.

[PrimeThyme]

Wiggins is negative asset. Guy is basketball thumor for team he is on. Warriors were on drugs when they took him, now they talk up in media about him to find foolish suitor.

I think we've both been pretty big Wiggins detractors on this board, but I would still entertain a trade for him if it meant the 2nd overall pick was coming back in a deal. I'd have no confidence in him developing into the elite scorer he's been touted as, but I still think it would be worth trading for him if we got a shot at top 5 talent even in a weaker draft class.

The more shots we can get at bringing real talent and scoring prowess to this team, the better.

[jezzerinho]

Wiggins was a lazy, lackadaisical player out the gate and now - with a giant albatross contract that makes him megarich and another impending move - I'd be amazed if he wasn't even more passive on his new team.

He's the polar opposite of what we need on this team. We need Jimmy B 2.0 and Wiggins is the antithesis of work ethic and hustle.

[Skybox]

Wiggins was a lazy, lackadaisical player out the gate and now - with a giant albatross contract that makes him megarich and another impending move - I'd be amazed if he wasn't even more passive on his new team.

He's the polar opposite of what we need on this team. We need Jimmy B 2.0 and Wiggins is the antithesis of work ethic and hustle.

Anybody would agree about Butler and Wiggins, but we've got to take our swings where we can...Butler was derided as an awful teammate even after being All-NBA. He can't shoot. No clear position...Obviously, all BS now that he's in the right place. We are in a weird spot-building from the middle...Fultz could pay off big, absorbing a Wiggs for a shot at a future star (#2) could be big, Wiggins himself could improve (not 180 degrees, but say 25%) and be a great win, #15 is likely to be solid if unspectacular for us...We need to take risks...personally, I could live with a couple of lottery seasons (at worst?) and then have the largest expiring contract in the league to package for a team blowing it up or moving an unhappy star. At the same time, we already have a roster of young guys to develop or get healthy...Swing away, IMO!

[VFX]

Wiggins is negative asset. Guy is basketball thumor for team he is on. Warriors were on drugs when they took him, now they talk up in media about him to find foolish suitor.

I think we've both been pretty big Wiggins detractors on this board, but I would still entertain a trade for him if it meant the 2nd overall pick was coming back in a deal. I'd have no confidence in him developing into the elite scorer he's been touted as, but I still think it would be worth trading for him if we got a shot at top 5 talent even in a weaker draft class.

The more shots we can get at bringing real talent and scoring prowess to this team, the better.

100%.

He’s worth it if it means we are getting #2, and not because he’s an asset himself. Trying to sell him as an such, or that he’s off the table for some amazing GSW lineup scenario isn’t being realistic. Contracts matter. Orlando doesn’t need huge amounts of cap space because we are never signing anyone substantial other than our own players.

[MasterGMer]

Wiggins is not an alpha dog on a team. But he could very well be the 2nd or 3rd option. He needs someone to motivate and lead him.

If NO.2 pick is with the trade, I'd do a Ross + AG + 15th pick for Wiggins and 2 pick. We get a wing scorer and we can draft someone highly regard.

[fendilim]

Wiggins is not an alpha dog on a team. But he could very well be the 2nd or 3rd option. He needs someone to motivate and lead him.

If NO.2 pick is with the trade, I'd do a Ross + AG + 15th pick for Wiggins and 2 pick. We get a wing scorer and we can draft someone highly regard.

Heck, i’d trade anyone not on rookie contract or
Our picks to get #2 and wiggins LOL

[pepe1991]

Wiggins is not an alpha dog on a team. But he could very well be the 2nd or 3rd option. He needs someone to motivate and lead him.

If NO.2 pick is with the trade, I'd do a Ross + AG + 15th pick for Wiggins and 2 pick. We get a wing scorer and we can draft someone highly regard.

If he was not bothered by Butler beating him with G league roster at practice, while playing with KAT, being called "pu***",being lazy and late at practice because of video games, entering his 7th year... Yea there is bigger chance he helps others develop "don't try they will pay you regardless" work ethic

Warriors won't attach pick to him without landing star.

[Blue_and_Whte]

AG is a good NBA player but he's at his ceiling imo. I think we should blow the team up. Keep Fultz and pray that JI can fully recover and stay healthy. I have zero expectations for Mo so if he blows up it'll be exciting. Theres a strong FA and Draft class coming up. Even if you dont think we can attract free agents, they should still put the team in a position to be major players.

EDIT: Totally forgot about Okeke....

[BlueBlazer]

AG is a good NBA player but he's at his ceiling imo. I think we should blow the team up. Keep Fultz and pray that JI can fully recover and stay healthy. I have zero expectations for Mo so if he blows up it'll be exciting. Theres a strong FA and Draft class coming up. Even if you dont think we can attract free agents, they should still put the team in a position to be major players.

EDIT: Totally forgot about Okeke....

Agreed. Obviously his best year was 2 years ago but his trade value might not get higher than it is now.

[Skybox]

Wiggins is not an alpha dog on a team. But he could very well be the 2nd or 3rd option. He needs someone to motivate and lead him.

If NO.2 pick is with the trade, I'd do a Ross + AG + 15th pick for Wiggins and 2 pick. We get a wing scorer and we can draft someone highly regard.

If he was not bothered by Butler beating him with G league roster at practice, while playing with KAT, being called "pu***",being lazy and late at practice because of video games, entering his 7th year... Yea there is bigger chance he helps others develop "don't try they will pay you regardless" work ethic

Warriors won't attach pick to him without landing star.

You're contradicting yourself...If he's that awful and his deal is obviously absurd, why would GSW expect a star in return for the #2 pick with his carcass attached?

My counter is not that Wiggins is good, but that his attachment makes it possible to reach for #2 WITHOUT offering a star. ORL is so far from contending that I'd absorb the poison that is Wiggins to get #2 and put us slightly ahead of our 2030 date with destiny.




(and who knows, maybe Wiggins turns it around )

[pepe1991]

Wiggins is not an alpha dog on a team. But he could very well be the 2nd or 3rd option. He needs someone to motivate and lead him.

If NO.2 pick is with the trade, I'd do a Ross + AG + 15th pick for Wiggins and 2 pick. We get a wing scorer and we can draft someone highly regard.

If he was not bothered by Butler beating him with G league roster at practice, while playing with KAT, being called "pu***",being lazy and late at practice because of video games, entering his 7th year... Yea there is bigger chance he helps others develop "don't try they will pay you regardless" work ethic

Warriors won't attach pick to him without landing star.

You're contradicting yourself...If he's that awful and his deal is obviously absurd, why would GSW expect a star in return for the #2 pick with his carcass attached?

My counter is not that Wiggins is good, but that his attachment makes it possible to reach for #2 WITHOUT offering a star. ORL is so far from contending that I'd absorb the poison that is Wiggins to get #2 and put us slightly ahead of our 2030 date with destiny.




(and who knows, maybe Wiggins turns it around )

Well 2# pick has higher "keeper" value than Wiggins has negative one.

Would you give up your garage just to give up your garbage car? Well neither would Warriors.

Wiggins sucks, but they don't need to give away best assest possible just to escape his crappy deal.
There are also some trade scenarios including Wiggins that could help Warriors turn into contender without giving up 2# pick. For example Demar Derozan for Wiggins, it's a rental and Derozan isn't great player, but mostly because of inability to shoot. Doesn't really matter if he plays behind 2 of greatest shooters of our time.

Andre Drummond ( also one year rental) for Wiggins could make sense as well, Bulls have Otto Porter on one overpayed year left as well. Reunion with Harrison Barnes isn't that bad of an idea... IT all depends how high Warriors are on 2020 prospects. To me,for them keeping pick and drafting ( and showcasing ) that player around Klay and Curry will boost his trade value, especially if it's Wiseman, because guy will have the easiest job in the world, just set screen and roll. They also could boost Wiggins trade value, because it's not really that hard play behind 2 amazing shooters and 1 great passing big. Even Barnes looked like allstar doing so.

[Skybox]

If he was not bothered by Butler beating him with G league roster at practice, while playing with KAT, being called "pu***",being lazy and late at practice because of video games, entering his 7th year... Yea there is bigger chance he helps others develop "don't try they will pay you regardless" work ethic

Warriors won't attach pick to him without landing star.

You're contradicting yourself...If he's that awful and his deal is obviously absurd, why would GSW expect a star in return for the #2 pick with his carcass attached?

My counter is not that Wiggins is good, but that his attachment makes it possible to reach for #2 WITHOUT offering a star. ORL is so far from contending that I'd absorb the poison that is Wiggins to get #2 and put us slightly ahead of our 2030 date with destiny.




(and who knows, maybe Wiggins turns it around )

Well 2# pick has higher "keeper" value than Wiggins has negative one.

Would you give up your garage just to give up your garbage car? Well neither would Warriors.

Wiggins sucks, but they don't need to give away best assest possible just to escape his crappy deal.
There are also some trade scenarios including Wiggins that could help Warriors turn into contender without giving up 2# pick. For example Demar Derozan for Wiggins, it's a rental and Derozan isn't great player, but mostly because of inability to shoot. Doesn't really matter if he plays behind 2 of greatest shooters of our time.

Andre Drummond ( also one year rental) for Wiggins could make sense as well, Bulls have Otto Porter on one overpayed year left as well. Reunion with Harrison Barnes isn't that bad of an idea... IT all depends how high Warriors are on 2020 prospects. To me,for them keeping pick and drafting ( and showcasing ) that player around Klay and Curry will boost his trade value, especially if it's Wiseman, because guy will have the easiest job in the world, just set screen and roll. They also could boost Wiggins trade value, because it's not really that hard play behind 2 amazing shooters and 1 great passing big. Even Barnes looked like allstar doing so.

You're thinking SAS would take Wiggins' deal for DeRozan? or any of those others? Wiggins is a deep negative...not enough to negate ANY value of the #2, but we're not asking them to...I've proposed Vuc, Gordon, Fournier, TRoss combos...I wouldn't take Wiggins without the pick and neither would anyone else. What are you doing posting during Florida afternoon hours? have you been up all night, you're not as sharp as usual on the night shift

[Ducklett]

AG is a good NBA player but he's at his ceiling imo. I think we should blow the team up. Keep Fultz and pray that JI can fully recover and stay healthy. I have zero expectations for Mo so if he blows up it'll be exciting. Theres a strong FA and Draft class coming up. Even if you dont think we can attract free agents, they should still put the team in a position to be major players.

EDIT: Totally forgot about Okeke....

Agreed. Obviously his best year was 2 years ago but his trade value might not get higher than it is now.

Go look at his stats after they moved him back to PF. He was balling out pretty hard. Obvious sample size etc but he has up until the trade deadline to play his natural position and get more perceived value.

[BlueBlazer]

AG is a good NBA player but he's at his ceiling imo. I think we should blow the team up. Keep Fultz and pray that JI can fully recover and stay healthy. I have zero expectations for Mo so if he blows up it'll be exciting. Theres a strong FA and Draft class coming up. Even if you dont think we can attract free agents, they should still put the team in a position to be major players.

EDIT: Totally forgot about Okeke....

Agreed. Obviously his best year was 2 years ago but his trade value might not get higher than it is now.

Go look at his stats after they moved him back to PF. He was balling out pretty hard. Obvious sample size etc but he has up until the trade deadline to play his natural position and get more perceived value.

He could just as easily get injured with his play style. Depends if you think one in the hand is better than two in the bush.

[pepe1991]

You're contradicting yourself...If he's that awful and his deal is obviously absurd, why would GSW expect a star in return for the #2 pick with his carcass attached?

My counter is not that Wiggins is good, but that his attachment makes it possible to reach for #2 WITHOUT offering a star. ORL is so far from contending that I'd absorb the poison that is Wiggins to get #2 and put us slightly ahead of our 2030 date with destiny.




(and who knows, maybe Wiggins turns it around )

Well 2# pick has higher "keeper" value than Wiggins has negative one.

Would you give up your garage just to give up your garbage car? Well neither would Warriors.

Wiggins sucks, but they don't need to give away best assest possible just to escape his crappy deal.
There are also some trade scenarios including Wiggins that could help Warriors turn into contender without giving up 2# pick. For example Demar Derozan for Wiggins, it's a rental and Derozan isn't great player, but mostly because of inability to shoot. Doesn't really matter if he plays behind 2 of greatest shooters of our time.

Andre Drummond ( also one year rental) for Wiggins could make sense as well, Bulls have Otto Porter on one overpayed year left as well. Reunion with Harrison Barnes isn't that bad of an idea... IT all depends how high Warriors are on 2020 prospects. To me,for them keeping pick and drafting ( and showcasing ) that player around Klay and Curry will boost his trade value, especially if it's Wiseman, because guy will have the easiest job in the world, just set screen and roll. They also could boost Wiggins trade value, because it's not really that hard play behind 2 amazing shooters and 1 great passing big. Even Barnes looked like allstar doing so.

You're thinking SAS would take Wiggins' deal for DeRozan? or any of those others? Wiggins is a deep negative...not enough to negate ANY value of the #2, but we're not asking them to...I've proposed Vuc, Gordon, Fournier, TRoss combos...I wouldn't take Wiggins without the pick and neither would anyone else. What are you doing posting during Florida afternoon hours? have you been up all night, you're not as sharp as usual on the night shift

Spurs have no choice but to do full rebuild, with Popovich on exit doors, Aldrige and Derozan eating salary cap with no sucess and with no young guys aveliable. If anything Wiggins is good for tanking. Maybe Warriors can give them some other pick.

maybe you are right

[fendilim]

https://www.bballrumors.com/2020/09/warriors-and-magic-have-been-talking.html?fbclid=IwAR1_80J4eHa5xb1swK-Bj4ktcrKdpLHw1tNhEJCq3uda0okq7kh17v8i6cM&m=1

Not sure if posted, but since it is a insider report I guess it wont happen anymore. LOL

[MagicFan101]

Wiggins is not an alpha dog on a team. But he could very well be the 2nd or 3rd option. He needs someone to motivate and lead him.

If NO.2 pick is with the trade, I'd do a Ross + AG + 15th pick for Wiggins and 2 pick. We get a wing scorer and we can draft someone highly regard.

Heck, i’d trade anyone not on rookie contract or
Our picks to get #2 and wiggins LOL

Keep Fultz and Isaac.

After that, name your price GSW and call it a deal

I want Edwards or Hayes on this team.

I absolutely see the flaws in Wiggins. I do. I don’t like Wiggins on that contract. However ... I do see the production of Wiggins and I accept that we aren’t going anywhere during the lifespan of his deal so why do I really care? Just get me that pick while Fultz and Isaac develop / recover.