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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#61 » by Skin » Sun Nov 1, 2020 6:59 pm

basketballRob wrote:To be honest I'd rather have a player with a developed body this year. We always hear that a player will be good once they gain 30 lbs or so, but sometimes they never do. It makes things so much easier when they're physically ready from day 1.

Sure everyone refers to Howard's size gains, but he was physically ready to play 82 games his rookie year. Terry and McDaniels aren't ready. They should play another year in college and try to develop.

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He doesn't have to gain much weight. He just needs to get stronger. Ingram is 190. Tatum is 210. McDaniels is 200.

If weight were a deciding factor for draft prospects, you would miss on a whole lot of Hall of Famers buddy.

JM is a WING, not a BIG.

Sports Illustrated notes that scouts view McDaniels as an extra-long wing who poses matchup issues for defenders:

Many scouts have seen enough from McDaniels skill-wise to now comfortably project him as a full-time wing, which projects as his best pathway to success given his slender build. If he puts it all together, he can be a real mismatch problem with his height, coordination, and ability to draw defenders away from the rim.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#62 » by Skin » Sun Nov 1, 2020 7:06 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:As i've said in other posts.... not sure if i'll make that my primary pick if all we had was the #15.... because there are a lot of players that fit positional and talent needs at that range that would be available. BUUUUUTTTTT if we could get a second mid first rounder while filling a need with the other pick... i'm totally down with picking him up. I do see him as offensive Isaac... we will see more offensive potential while still getting the defensive perks. I know people might knock the entire length thing.... but when you have a group of players all defensively switchable with 6'10'" wingspans.... the court can become really small.... really quickly. His down year and transition into college could become our benefit.

not sure if Fournier + #45 can fetch us another mid to late 1st rounder... but i'll entertain it and get nesmith, lewis, terry, bey, green,hampton, etc + McDaniels out this draft. :-)

People keep saying they would pick one of the many SGs that fits our needs at 15 without actually saying who. Why is that? If there are so many, wouldn't it be more sound to get another pick to get one of them? Because there really is just 1 McDaniels. Mike Schmitz says 1 OF 1!

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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#63 » by zaymon » Sun Nov 1, 2020 7:17 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:As i've said in other posts.... not sure if i'll make that my primary pick if all we had was the #15.... because there are a lot of players that fit positional and talent needs at that range that would be available. BUUUUUTTTTT if we could get a second mid first rounder while filling a need with the other pick... i'm totally down with picking him up. I do see him as offensive Isaac... we will see more offensive potential while still getting the defensive perks. I know people might knock the entire length thing.... but when you have a group of players all defensively switchable with 6'10'" wingspans.... the court can become really small.... really quickly. His down year and transition into college could become our benefit.

not sure if Fournier + #45 can fetch us another mid to late 1st rounder... but i'll entertain it and get nesmith, lewis, terry, bey, green,hampton, etc + McDaniels out this draft. :-)

People keep saying they would pick one of the many SGs that fits our needs at 15 without actually saying who. Why is that? If there are so many, wouldn't it be more sound to get another pick to get one of them? Because there really is just 1 McDaniels. Mike Schmitz says 1 OF 1!

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Pokusevski is taller, better ball handler, better passer, better defender, propably better shooter and younger.
Guards doesnt wow me with ceilings but Hampton, Lewis and Bolmaro have the highest potential.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#64 » by Skin » Sun Nov 1, 2020 7:43 pm

Knightro wrote:Nice write up, but I'm just not a fan at all of McDaniels.

The only thing I really like is his jumper form. I think he could become a good 3&D guy at the 3/4 if he was willing to really embrace an off-ball role.

The problem is that he appears to be a guy who *thinks* his perimeter skills are a lot better than they actually are. I just don't like his handling, his decision making or his finishing.

I dunno... I gotta appreciate a 6'9, 6'10 guy who loves his perimeter skills. I also like his ball handling. He goes left or right and can get low. I get where you are with his decision making as he can get tunnel visioned at times, but he did show some flashes of being a PnR playmaker.

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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#65 » by yoyojw17 » Sun Nov 1, 2020 8:09 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:As i've said in other posts.... not sure if i'll make that my primary pick if all we had was the #15.... because there are a lot of players that fit positional and talent needs at that range that would be available. BUUUUUTTTTT if we could get a second mid first rounder while filling a need with the other pick... i'm totally down with picking him up. I do see him as offensive Isaac... we will see more offensive potential while still getting the defensive perks. I know people might knock the entire length thing.... but when you have a group of players all defensively switchable with 6'10'" wingspans.... the court can become really small.... really quickly. His down year and transition into college could become our benefit.

not sure if Fournier + #45 can fetch us another mid to late 1st rounder... but i'll entertain it and get nesmith, lewis, terry, bey, green,hampton, etc + McDaniels out this draft. :-)

People keep saying they would pick one of the many SGs that fits our needs at 15 without actually saying who. Why is that? If there are so many, wouldn't it be more sound to get another pick to get one of them? Because there really is just 1 McDaniels. Mike Schmitz says 1 OF 1!

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It's not that I would take someone over him... just saying... in any way shape of form... I would like a combination of both coming out of this draft. Shoot that shout out for Cassius stanley in your video even could give me hope for McDaniels at 15 and Stanley at a later pick.... Assuming that the organization does its due diligence and feels that way. But so many unknowns... when it boils down to it... i would love to make a play at both. Something about green I really like... so green and mcdaniels (order based on who they think will be available later based on league general evaluation)... however you can get them would be a successful draft based on my current outlook of the team and the draft players available.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#66 » by Skin » Sun Nov 1, 2020 8:59 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:As i've said in other posts.... not sure if i'll make that my primary pick if all we had was the #15.... because there are a lot of players that fit positional and talent needs at that range that would be available. BUUUUUTTTTT if we could get a second mid first rounder while filling a need with the other pick... i'm totally down with picking him up. I do see him as offensive Isaac... we will see more offensive potential while still getting the defensive perks. I know people might knock the entire length thing.... but when you have a group of players all defensively switchable with 6'10'" wingspans.... the court can become really small.... really quickly. His down year and transition into college could become our benefit.

not sure if Fournier + #45 can fetch us another mid to late 1st rounder... but i'll entertain it and get nesmith, lewis, terry, bey, green,hampton, etc + McDaniels out this draft. :-)

People keep saying they would pick one of the many SGs that fits our needs at 15 without actually saying who. Why is that? If there are so many, wouldn't it be more sound to get another pick to get one of them? Because there really is just 1 McDaniels. Mike Schmitz says 1 OF 1!

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Pokusevski is taller, better ball handler, better passer, better defender, propably better shooter and younger.
Guards doesnt wow me with ceilings but Hampton, Lewis and Bolmaro have the highest potential.

I like Poku a lot too, but we basically have film against him vs High School level competition. I don't think he gets away with some of the things he tried if he were in the NCAA much less the NBA. He's ALL potential right now. McDaniels and many others were tearing up HS competition as well. McDaniels put up 50+ point scoring nights, etc.

I lOVE Poku's playmaking though. That said, he's wild in that regard too. Some of the film of his turnovers off his passes is cringe worthy. I don't think his ball handling is better either. People see him running down the court and fall in love, but that's Transition ball. In the Half Court, he doesn't have the finer skills to break down his man and attack the basket. He's much more clunky in that regard.

McDaniels is a good defender with blessed with length and athleticism. He needs to round out the mental part of it, but he had some great defensive moments last season. 6 block, 2 steal night against USC was a gem. McDaniels has more explosive suddenness than Poku.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#67 » by Skin » Sun Nov 1, 2020 9:02 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:As i've said in other posts.... not sure if i'll make that my primary pick if all we had was the #15.... because there are a lot of players that fit positional and talent needs at that range that would be available. BUUUUUTTTTT if we could get a second mid first rounder while filling a need with the other pick... i'm totally down with picking him up. I do see him as offensive Isaac... we will see more offensive potential while still getting the defensive perks. I know people might knock the entire length thing.... but when you have a group of players all defensively switchable with 6'10'" wingspans.... the court can become really small.... really quickly. His down year and transition into college could become our benefit.

not sure if Fournier + #45 can fetch us another mid to late 1st rounder... but i'll entertain it and get nesmith, lewis, terry, bey, green,hampton, etc + McDaniels out this draft. :-)

People keep saying they would pick one of the many SGs that fits our needs at 15 without actually saying who. Why is that? If there are so many, wouldn't it be more sound to get another pick to get one of them? Because there really is just 1 McDaniels. Mike Schmitz says 1 OF 1!

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It's not that I would take someone over him... just saying... in any way shape of form... I would like a combination of both coming out of this draft. Shoot that shout out for Cassius stanley in your video even could give me hope for McDaniels at 15 and Stanley at a later pick.... Assuming that the organization does its due diligence and feels that way. But so many unknowns... when it boils down to it... i would love to make a play at both. Something about green I really like... so green and mcdaniels (order based on who they think will be available later based on league general evaluation)... however you can get them would be a successful draft based on my current outlook of the team and the draft players available.

Ah I gotcha.

...and yeah, Cassius Stanley would be my DREAAAAAAMMMM pick for the Magic. I'd give up any of Henny's guys to get back into the 1st to draft him. I'd give up a future 1st.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#68 » by RookieStar » Sun Nov 1, 2020 9:48 pm

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Skin wrote:Everyone wants a scoring guard at 15. Problem is the options available. The candidates are underwhelming. I do like Ramsey if I absolutely had to take one. Do you have a favorite?

Our GM wants length at every position. McDaniels is a long boi but he projects as a wing, not a big man (like you said).

I have high hopes for Okeke. I liked the pick a lot. But he doesn't detract my interest in McDaniels because Okeke is more of an off ball player. He's very effective in his limited role as a complimentary player. Typical glue guy. X factor. Can probably play 3 and D at both SF and PF. He's built and moves more like a PF. In an ideal world, he plays a role on a team similar to the way Jae Crowder fills his role. But Okeke has to get a lot stronger.

McDaniels is a scoring wing, not a big. He is better suited as a SF than a PF. If I saw him as a PF, then I would drop him down the board. One month into being 20 years old and he has all the makings, he just needs to put it all together. McDaniels is different because he can make things happen with the ball in his hands. He's quicker, more agile, more explosive and has a much better handle.

I think we are really lucky this year because the NBA is sleeping on this guy. Had he gone to Duke, not sure he'd make it out of the lottery. He has the talent pedigree. Washington was a bad team, but that was his hometown team. Not sure you can pin their losing on an incoming freshman, but it does show loyalty over being a front runner. Maybe overly sensitive to that as a Magic fan lol.


Favorite? No... but any of the 3pt shooting, scoring guys with suspect defense expected to be in our range is good enough for me. My attitude would change though 1 week before the draft because thats when more info would. Ome out.

Actually me being a duke fan i sometimes get high school prospects and what i heard/impessed before their freshmen year was rhat JM was supposedly a F/C not a wing? My info could ve wrong though.

And yeah for me JM is more of the run around fluid guy in the mold of a KD/Ingram rather than Okeke which i get is nore on the bruiser type

You can easily get a 3pt shooting guy with suspect defense much later in the draft, even going deep into round 2. It's one of the reasons I didn't want to teach for one at 15. Bane, Hughes, Woodley, Stanley, Joe, Quickly, Nwora.... take your pick.


Yeah but they don't have the same FG% of the 3pt shot like the Nesmith,Haliburton,Kira found in our range.

And yes for our 2nd pick I do want Stanley of Duke or maybe trade up to a late 1st just to get him. Insane athlete and to me like a swiss knife but not a scorer in the same mold as I mentioned.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

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Favorite? No... but any of the 3pt shooting, scoring guys with suspect defense expected to be in our range is good enough for me. My attitude would change though 1 week before the draft because thats when more info would. Ome out.

Actually me being a duke fan i sometimes get high school prospects and what i heard/impessed before their freshmen year was rhat JM was supposedly a F/C not a wing? My info could ve wrong though.

And yeah for me JM is more of the run around fluid guy in the mold of a KD/Ingram rather than Okeke which i get is nore on the bruiser type

You can easily get a 3pt shooting guy with suspect defense much later in the draft, even going deep into round 2. It's one of the reasons I didn't want to teach for one at 15. Bane, Hughes, Woodley, Stanley, Joe, Quickly, Nwora.... take your pick.


Yeah but they don't have the same FG% of the 3pt shot like the Nesmith,Haliburton,Kira found in our range.

And yes for our 2nd pick I do want Stanley of Duke or maybe trade up to a late 1st just to get him. Insane athlete and to me like a swiss knife but not a scorer in the same mold as I mentioned.

Nesmith and Haliburton are not in the 15th range though. Not fair to bring them up as options. Kira is fair. Kira's 3PT% is .366.

Bane .442
Joe .342
Stanley .360
Nwora .402
Woodard .429
Quickley .417
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#70 » by pepe1991 » Mon Nov 2, 2020 7:36 am

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Skin wrote:You can easily get a 3pt shooting guy with suspect defense much later in the draft, even going deep into round 2. It's one of the reasons I didn't want to teach for one at 15. Bane, Hughes, Woodley, Stanley, Joe, Quickly, Nwora.... take your pick.


Yeah but they don't have the same FG% of the 3pt shot like the Nesmith,Haliburton,Kira found in our range.

And yes for our 2nd pick I do want Stanley of Duke or maybe trade up to a late 1st just to get him. Insane athlete and to me like a swiss knife but not a scorer in the same mold as I mentioned.

Nesmith and Haliburton are not in the 15th range though. Not fair to bring them up as options. Kira is fair. Kira's 3PT% is .366.

Bane .442
Joe .342
Stanley .360
Nwora .402
Woodard .429
Quickley .417


You can't just single out percentages. Not all shots have same meaning. Volumen behind them, shooting from other ranges, type of 3 point shots players get, being catch&shoot vs being own creator, how players are being defended/played is more important than just raw percentage.
For example Woodard, it's fair to assume he is below average shooter. 42,9% for 3 sounds elite without context. But once you combine his volumen, with last year's volumen, you get sense what he is . Low usage 3 point shooter who made 0,6 threes a game and shot 61,7% from FT line. Even during 42,9% shooting for 3 season, he made 30 threes in 70 attemps. If he missed just 5 more shots he would shoot just 35% for 3. This type of swing of percentage within few shots pretty much says all about volumen and how nobody should dig too deep into it ( once again, remember WInslow being 42% three point shooter but his indicator was pretty awful 60% FT shooting ).

Nwora will probably be good stand still shooter, HOWEVER, he is 22 years old man playing in league with bunch of 18 and 19 years old. It's very hard to have objective outlook of player who is that much older, more mature than competition he is facing.
Most scouts think he is too heavy- footed on defense to play SG and that he isn't strong nor athletic for SF.
He is also very much spot up shooter and C&S guy way more than somebody who will be dilvering off dribble.
His passing also isn't much and overall he isn't some crazy athlete.

Quickley looks, at least to me, like 6th man. For starting gaurd he isn't that advanced passer nor elite ballhandler. He is 6'3 so he is already undersized.

Kira's main issue isn't 3%, it's shot selection, average efficiency, lot of turnovers. Also all his stats are inflated. Dude played 38 min per game. I just can't shake off- Collin Sexton vibe. SG who is too short for SG so he will be force-fed into playmaker who he does not have awarness to play.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#71 » by Max Power » Mon Nov 2, 2020 8:01 pm

I won’t pretend to know a lot about this years prospects, McDaniels looks like a guy who’d do well here. We need a wing who can score. I’m tired of leaning on Vuc Ross and Fournier for that. A new prospect at the 3 could really change the teams outlook. I’d also love to see the Magic get a nasty front court guy. All of our guys up are either skilled finesse guys( Vuc) or thin athletic types (JI, AG) or a low end effort guy (Birch, Aminu). This team needs a guy with a mean streak up front in the worst way. A Draymond/Rodman/Oakley type guy who instills fear in the paint. That kinda goes back to the team needing a leader.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#72 » by Skin » Mon Nov 2, 2020 8:04 pm

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Yeah but they don't have the same FG% of the 3pt shot like the Nesmith,Haliburton,Kira found in our range.

And yes for our 2nd pick I do want Stanley of Duke or maybe trade up to a late 1st just to get him. Insane athlete and to me like a swiss knife but not a scorer in the same mold as I mentioned.

Nesmith and Haliburton are not in the 15th range though. Not fair to bring them up as options. Kira is fair. Kira's 3PT% is .366.

Bane .442
Joe .342
Stanley .360
Nwora .402
Woodard .429
Quickley .417


You can't just single out percentages. Not all shots have same meaning. Volumen behind them, shooting from other ranges, type of 3 point shots players get, being catch&shoot vs being own creator, how players are being defended/played is more important than just raw percentage.
For example Woodard, it's fair to assume he is below average shooter. 42,9% for 3 sounds elite without context. But once you combine his volumen, with last year's volumen, you get sense what he is . Low usage 3 point shooter who made 0,6 threes a game and shot 61,7% from FT line. Even during 42,9% shooting for 3 season, he made 30 threes in 70 attemps. If he missed just 5 more shots he would shoot just 35% for 3. This type of swing of percentage within few shots pretty much says all about volumen and how nobody should dig too deep into it ( once again, remember WInslow being 42% three point shooter but his indicator was pretty awful 60% FT shooting ).

Nwora will probably be good stand still shooter, HOWEVER, he is 22 years old man playing in league with bunch of 18 and 19 years old. It's very hard to have objective outlook of player who is that much older, more mature than competition he is facing.
Most scouts think he is too heavy- footed on defense to play SG and that he isn't strong nor athletic for SF.
He is also very much spot up shooter and C&S guy way more than somebody who will be dilvering off dribble.
His passing also isn't much and overall he isn't some crazy athlete.

Quickley looks, at least to me, like 6th man. For starting gaurd he isn't that advanced passer nor elite ballhandler. He is 6'3 so he is already undersized.

Kira's main issue isn't 3%, it's shot selection, average efficiency, lot of turnovers. Also all his stats are inflated. Dude played 38 min per game. I just can't shake off- Collin Sexton vibe. SG who is too short for SG so he will be force-fed into playmaker who he does not have awarness to play.

I like that response. It's the kind I would normally give. Lol. Going back to where this started... getting a SG at 15 versus getting a SG later in the draft, do you see a big difference? Who are your Top 3 for us at 15?
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#73 » by pepe1991 » Tue Nov 3, 2020 8:16 am

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Skin wrote:Nesmith and Haliburton are not in the 15th range though. Not fair to bring them up as options. Kira is fair. Kira's 3PT% is .366.

Bane .442
Joe .342
Stanley .360
Nwora .402
Woodard .429
Quickley .417


You can't just single out percentages. Not all shots have same meaning. Volumen behind them, shooting from other ranges, type of 3 point shots players get, being catch&shoot vs being own creator, how players are being defended/played is more important than just raw percentage.
For example Woodard, it's fair to assume he is below average shooter. 42,9% for 3 sounds elite without context. But once you combine his volumen, with last year's volumen, you get sense what he is . Low usage 3 point shooter who made 0,6 threes a game and shot 61,7% from FT line. Even during 42,9% shooting for 3 season, he made 30 threes in 70 attemps. If he missed just 5 more shots he would shoot just 35% for 3. This type of swing of percentage within few shots pretty much says all about volumen and how nobody should dig too deep into it ( once again, remember WInslow being 42% three point shooter but his indicator was pretty awful 60% FT shooting ).

Nwora will probably be good stand still shooter, HOWEVER, he is 22 years old man playing in league with bunch of 18 and 19 years old. It's very hard to have objective outlook of player who is that much older, more mature than competition he is facing.
Most scouts think he is too heavy- footed on defense to play SG and that he isn't strong nor athletic for SF.
He is also very much spot up shooter and C&S guy way more than somebody who will be dilvering off dribble.
His passing also isn't much and overall he isn't some crazy athlete.

Quickley looks, at least to me, like 6th man. For starting gaurd he isn't that advanced passer nor elite ballhandler. He is 6'3 so he is already undersized.

Kira's main issue isn't 3%, it's shot selection, average efficiency, lot of turnovers. Also all his stats are inflated. Dude played 38 min per game. I just can't shake off- Collin Sexton vibe. SG who is too short for SG so he will be force-fed into playmaker who he does not have awarness to play.

I like that response. It's the kind I would normally give. Lol. Going back to where this started... getting a SG at 15 versus getting a SG later in the draft, do you see a big difference? Who are your Top 3 for us at 15?


Depending who is taken off board.
Nesmith,Saddiq Bey would be my favorite picks at that range.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#74 » by Skin » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:05 am

Chad Ford's 1st Mock (Nov 5th) gives us Jaden McDaniels. Innnnterestingggggg...... :D

https://nbabigboard.com/mock-draft-1/

15. Orlando Magic
Jaden McDaniels
Washington
Freshman
Forward
Age: 19

This is a reach, but the Magic, led by John Hammond, aren’t afraid to reach. After Ball, Edwards, Wiseman and Hampton are off the board, I don’t think there’s a player with higher upside than McDaniels. He also has significant question marks which could ultimately cause him to slide much further down the board. But in a draft weak on potential star power, I could see Orlando making the grab here.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#75 » by pepe1991 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:59 am

Skin wrote:Chad Ford's 1st Mock (Nov 5th) gives us Jaden McDaniels. Innnnterestingggggg...... :D

https://nbabigboard.com/mock-draft-1/

15. Orlando Magic
Jaden McDaniels
Washington
Freshman
Forward
Age: 19

This is a reach, but the Magic, led by John Hammond, aren’t afraid to reach. After Ball, Edwards, Wiseman and Hampton are off the board, I don’t think there’s a player with higher upside than McDaniels. He also has significant question marks which could ultimately cause him to slide much further down the board. But in a draft weak on potential star power, I could see Orlando making the grab here.


Chad is complete fraud.
Guy in past was re-editing his own posts to make it sound like he was better at evaluations.
For 2013 draft he had GIannis at 17 and re-edited it to 9th spot.

Other players to move up in the six years sharpinator looked at: Rudy Gobert, Gorgui Dieng, Michael Carter-Williams, Damian Lillard, Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Nikola Vucevic, Paul George, Greg Monroe, Eric Bledsoe, James Harden and others. Some of the players who moved down in Ford's revised rankings: Jonny Flynn, Hasheem Thabeet, Luke Babbitt, Xavier Henry, Jimmer Fredette, Austin Rivers (moved down 12 spots), Sergey Karasev and Shane Larkin.

The neat organization of those names -- the good ones moved up, the bad ones moved down -- means we can rule out that this was a random glitch, like some sort of reversion to a prior version of the rankings (which are updated frequently during the draft season). So we're left with two explanations: some other glitch altered Ford's rankings unbeknownst to anyone at ESPN, or someone at ESPN -- possibly Ford himself -- systematically tweaked his rankings after the fact to make them look better.


https://deadspin.com/espns-chad-ford-has-been-retroactively-editing-draft-bo-1681631642

whole article and who he edited months, or even 3 years later.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#76 » by basketballRob » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:45 pm

Nbadraft.net consensus mock has us taking McDaniels, unless they've changed it today

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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#77 » by Skin » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:57 pm

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Skin wrote:Chad Ford's 1st Mock (Nov 5th) gives us Jaden McDaniels. Innnnterestingggggg...... :D

https://nbabigboard.com/mock-draft-1/

15. Orlando Magic
Jaden McDaniels
Washington
Freshman
Forward
Age: 19

This is a reach, but the Magic, led by John Hammond, aren’t afraid to reach. After Ball, Edwards, Wiseman and Hampton are off the board, I don’t think there’s a player with higher upside than McDaniels. He also has significant question marks which could ultimately cause him to slide much further down the board. But in a draft weak on potential star power, I could see Orlando making the grab here.


Chad is complete fraud.
Guy in past was re-editing his own posts to make it sound like he was better at evaluations.
For 2013 draft he had GIannis at 17 and re-edited it to 9th spot.

Other players to move up in the six years sharpinator looked at: Rudy Gobert, Gorgui Dieng, Michael Carter-Williams, Damian Lillard, Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Nikola Vucevic, Paul George, Greg Monroe, Eric Bledsoe, James Harden and others. Some of the players who moved down in Ford's revised rankings: Jonny Flynn, Hasheem Thabeet, Luke Babbitt, Xavier Henry, Jimmer Fredette, Austin Rivers (moved down 12 spots), Sergey Karasev and Shane Larkin.

The neat organization of those names -- the good ones moved up, the bad ones moved down -- means we can rule out that this was a random glitch, like some sort of reversion to a prior version of the rankings (which are updated frequently during the draft season). So we're left with two explanations: some other glitch altered Ford's rankings unbeknownst to anyone at ESPN, or someone at ESPN -- possibly Ford himself -- systematically tweaked his rankings after the fact to make them look better.


https://deadspin.com/espns-chad-ford-has-been-retroactively-editing-draft-bo-1681631642

whole article and who he edited months, or even 3 years later.

His justification seems fine and his mock isn't drastically different from most others. Same names in the lottery and such. He may not be an honest scout but he had/ has nba connections and knows how some front offices think.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#78 » by dsg2021 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:36 pm

I'm all for McDaniels at 15. Awesome write-up Skin!

I would kill myself if I was faced with Nesmith and McDaniels both available at 15. Because I'd rather just swing for McDaniels as my top 1 if Nesmith is gone. Shades of McLemore versus Oladipo debates, where I captained the McLemore ship to its sinking. :lol:

A big lesson I took from McLemore was a college system making tons of JJ Redick type plays for him so often. When NBA teams would never do that for a rookie. Dude needed that confidence boost of shooting well in the beginning. Rest was an old story told again, big raw athleticism and potential that didn't improve anywhere too much. Defense was not special/good to make it all even worse. At least he's a rotation player, lol.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#79 » by RookieStar » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:14 pm

Glad for Team Jaden here.. but for me, I really want a scoring guard.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#80 » by Skin » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:56 pm

RookieStar wrote:Glad for Team Jaden here.. but for me, I really want a scoring guard.

Who's your guy?

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