Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

[drsd]

Mitchell Robinson and the #8 is an interesting trade for Vučević.

From there Fournier, #15, and #8 might get Orlando close to the Warriors listening to Management offers for #2 and Mr. Trade exception.

Finally, Orlando could offer Gordon and next year's FRP for Oubre (if OKC is allowed to trade him).

This year - with Edwards as the draft pick, Ennis re-upping, and Clark and Carter-Williams resigning, the Magic is:

Fultz/Carter-Williams/LLE-vet
Edwards/Ross/LLE-vet
Oubre/Okeke/Ennis
Aminu/MLE-vet/Clark
Bamba/Robinson/Birch


The Magic is worse this year than if these trades had not happened, but the team is still a potential 8-seed. Key is that the Coach Clifford will be required to focus on developing these players. Would Orlando (again) be the youngest team in the league with that roster? It would be close.

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[OrlandoMagic]

Mitchell Robinson and the #8 is an interesting trade for Vučević.

From there Fournier, #15, and #8 might get Orlando close to the Warriors listening to Management offers for #2 and Mr. Trade exception.

Finally, Orlando could offer Gordon and next year's FRP for Oubre (if OKC is allowed to trade him).

This year - with Edwards as the draft pick, Ennis re-upping, and Clark and Carter-Williams resigning, the Magic is:

Fultz/Carter-Williams/LLE-vet
Edwards/Ross/LLE-vet
Oubre/Okeke/Ennis
Aminu/MLE-vet/Clark
Bamba/Robinson/Birch


The Magic is worse this year than if these trades had not happened, but the team is still a potential 8-seed. Key is that the Coach Clifford will be required to focus on developing these players. Would Orlando (again) be the youngest team in the league with that roster? It would be close.

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Magic fans logic: thats good enough for the 6th-8th seed in the East

[zaymon]

Mitchell Robinson and the #8 is an interesting trade for Vučević.

From there Fournier, #15, and #8 might get Orlando close to the Warriors listening to Management offers for #2 and Mr. Trade exception.

Finally, Orlando could offer Gordon and next year's FRP for Oubre (if OKC is allowed to trade him).

This year - with Edwards as the draft pick, Ennis re-upping, and Clark and Carter-Williams resigning, the Magic is:

Fultz/Carter-Williams/LLE-vet
Edwards/Ross/LLE-vet
Oubre/Okeke/Ennis
Aminu/MLE-vet/Clark
Bamba/Robinson/Birch


The Magic is worse this year than if these trades had not happened, but the team is still a potential 8-seed. Key is that the Coach Clifford will be required to focus on developing these players. Would Orlando (again) be the youngest team in the league with that roster? It would be close.

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Magic fans logic: thats good enough for the 6th-8th seed in the East

If that roster is fighting for 8th seed we have a contender right now.

[Trillen]

Honestly, if Robinson + 8 is on the table and we don't accept it, I'd be actually upset. Don't dare show Knicks fans that deal, they'd murder you for proposing that.

[ARandomStranger]

I think trading all three of players that don't fit long term, might be the perfect formula to be bad enough to get a high enough draft pick while acquiring young pieces to potentially move forward with.

A simple idea is to take Robinson and 8, if that is the offer. Why? Because with this year being a wash for you, you look to next year, and next year would look like, at least in a staring sense.

Fultz
Wing
Isaac/Chuma
Isaac/Chuma
Robinson/Bamba

Offensively that is dreadful, but defensively? Defensively that could be one of the best if not the best defenses in the NBA in my opinion. Now let's say the Magic take it a step forward and trade AG as well.

AG being moved for a pick and a bad contract would be a good return. Net yourself 3 picks, don't move up, and draft scorers to fit holes on the roster. Middle of the season jettison Fournier and filler to get more picks or if you can acquire somebody who can push you over the top do so. Keep Ross if you want or move him too.

You now have reset with nonstop youth, are elite defensively, and probably have fall back plans at every position. I suppose that is too easy and more than likely not going to happen.

[pepe1991]

What execlly can Knicks offer for Westbrook that is even close to appealing and in same time not trade 8th pick?

YOu think Houston will accept salary dumps of Portis and Randle? Ok, let's pretend for a second they will, why in blue hell they woul not ask for 8th pick?

So now, with Randle and Portis gone, and 8th pick gone, and with $107 M in cap space, and without single PF ( or starting level SF) Knicks no longer can make Vuc- for Mitchell Robinson swap because there is $24 400 000 of cap space difference

This is dreamland trade scenario, zero ground in reality.

What are we talking here really? Knicks roster would have roster of:

PG: Westbrook/Payton/Dennis Smith/Ntkilina
SG: Barret /Ellington
SF: - / Knox/Bullock
PF: -/ - / Taj Gipson
C: : Vuc / - /-

Scott Perry is moron, even he would not build team that has 36 years old Gipson starting and Kevin Knox starting at SF, after failing to be starter on worst team in nba in year prior?

[basketballRob]

What execlly can Knicks offer for Westbrook that is even close to appealing and in same time not trade 8th pick?

YOu think Houston will accept salary dumps of Portis and Randle? Ok, let's pretend for a second they will, why in blue hell they woul not ask for 8th pick?

So now, with Randle and Portis gone, and 8th pick gone, and with $107 M in cap space, and without single PF ( or starting level SF) Knicks no longer can make Vuc- for Mitchell Robinson swap because there is $24 400 000 of cap space difference

This is dreamland trade scenario, zero ground in reality.

Maybe they just trade with the Magic. Robinson, Smith, Portis, and 8th pick is a little over 26m.

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[pepe1991]

What execlly can Knicks offer for Westbrook that is even close to appealing and in same time not trade 8th pick?

YOu think Houston will accept salary dumps of Portis and Randle? Ok, let's pretend for a second they will, why in blue hell they woul not ask for 8th pick?

So now, with Randle and Portis gone, and 8th pick gone, and with $107 M in cap space, and without single PF ( or starting level SF) Knicks no longer can make Vuc- for Mitchell Robinson swap because there is $24 400 000 of cap space difference

This is dreamland trade scenario, zero ground in reality.

Maybe they just trade with the Magic. Robinson, Smith, Portis, and 8th pick is a little over 26k.

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Simple question: why?
Them paying Robinson $1,6M is pretty much only positive about Knicks organisation.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Magic ain’t making any moves y’all settle down we do this every year and then get pissed when we take Precious Achiuwa 15th

Guarantee Minny has offered JJ & 17 for AG and this FO has passed on it.

[Furinkazan]

Mitchell Robinson and the #8 is an interesting trade for Vučević.

From there Fournier, #15, and #8 might get Orlando close to the Warriors listening to Management offers for #2 and Mr. Trade exception.

Finally, Orlando could offer Gordon and next year's FRP for Oubre (if OKC is allowed to trade him).

This year - with Edwards as the draft pick, Ennis re-upping, and Clark and Carter-Williams resigning, the Magic is:

Fultz/Carter-Williams/LLE-vet
Edwards/Ross/LLE-vet
Oubre/Okeke/Ennis
Aminu/MLE-vet/Clark
Bamba/Robinson/Birch


The Magic is worse this year than if these trades had not happened, but the team is still a potential 8-seed. Key is that the Coach Clifford will be required to focus on developing these players. Would Orlando (again) be the youngest team in the league with that roster? It would be close.

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Magic fans logic: thats good enough for the 6th-8th seed in the East

so?and
Magic management logic for the past decade: thas good enough for the 8th-12th seed in the East



we must hold on to that no matter what...

[pepe1991]

Magic ain’t making any moves y’all settle down we do this every year and then get pissed when we take Precious Achiuwa 15th

Guarantee Minny has offered JJ & 17 for AG and this FO has passed on it.

Wouldn't you pass it tho?
JJ is only attractive as salary dump.

You can't tell me that Cole Anthony/Josh Green/Mannion as return value for Gordon isn't terrible returning value.

After 6 years of investment in 4th overall pick you flush him for... projected backup PG

[Furinkazan]

Magic ain’t making any moves y’all settle down we do this every year and then get pissed when we take Precious Achiuwa 15th

Guarantee Minny has offered JJ & 17 for AG and this FO has passed on it.

we dont need 15 th or 17th draft will flat out by then (titanic broken flute theme)

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Magic ain’t making any moves y’all settle down we do this every year and then get pissed when we take Precious Achiuwa 15th

Guarantee Minny has offered JJ & 17 for AG and this FO has passed on it.

Wouldn't you pass it tho?
JJ is only attractive as salary dump.

You can't tell me that Cole Anthony/Josh Green/Mannion as return value for Gordon isn't terrible returning value.

After 6 years of investment in 4th overall pick you flush him for... projected backup PG

I’ve been done with this team for 2 years. At this point do we even know AGs value? He’s an underwhelming player still riding the potential train. I’d possibly take that deal because it wouldn’t be the only trade I do this week.

Regardless this FO is going to do nothing pick 15th sell the 2nd rounder and “Today’s a good day for Orlando Magic Fans” we get to welcome 2 players in Chuma and Precious Achiuwa

[basketballRob]

What execlly can Knicks offer for Westbrook that is even close to appealing and in same time not trade 8th pick?

YOu think Houston will accept salary dumps of Portis and Randle? Ok, let's pretend for a second they will, why in blue hell they woul not ask for 8th pick?

So now, with Randle and Portis gone, and 8th pick gone, and with $107 M in cap space, and without single PF ( or starting level SF) Knicks no longer can make Vuc- for Mitchell Robinson swap because there is $24 400 000 of cap space difference

This is dreamland trade scenario, zero ground in reality.

Maybe they just trade with the Magic. Robinson, Smith, Portis, and 8th pick is a little over 26k.

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Simple question: why?
Them paying Robinson $1,6M is pretty much only positive about Knicks organisation.

Vuc has value right now. Plus Thibs is reportedly trying to make a playoff push next year.

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[Ducklett]

Magic ain’t making any moves y’all settle down we do this every year and then get pissed when we take Precious Achiuwa 15th

Guarantee Minny has offered JJ & 17 for AG and this FO has passed on it.

we dont need 15 th or 17th draft will flat out by then (titanic broken flute theme)

What are the odds 15 or 17 are even as good as AG in 4-7 years? Pretty low I would say.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Magic ain’t making any moves y’all settle down we do this every year and then get pissed when we take Precious Achiuwa 15th

Guarantee Minny has offered JJ & 17 for AG and this FO has passed on it.

we dont need 15 th or 17th draft will flat out by then (titanic broken flute theme)

What are the odds 15 or 17 are even as good as AG in 4-7 years? Pretty low I would say.

Rather take that chance than sit here thumb up our bum. I’d take 2 of Maxey Lewis Desmond Bane

[pepe1991]

Magic ain’t making any moves y’all settle down we do this every year and then get pissed when we take Precious Achiuwa 15th

Guarantee Minny has offered JJ & 17 for AG and this FO has passed on it.

Wouldn't you pass it tho?
JJ is only attractive as salary dump.

You can't tell me that Cole Anthony/Josh Green/Mannion as return value for Gordon isn't terrible returning value.

After 6 years of investment in 4th overall pick you flush him for... projected backup PG

I’ve been done with this team for 2 years. At this point do we even know AGs value? He’s an underwhelming player still riding the potential train. I’d possibly take that deal because it wouldn’t be the only few I do this week.

I just don't like any of this trade ideas that are floating around. Vast majority of them is salary dump for chance to chase some potential upgrade in 2021, who, btw, won't sign here because team will suck on bunch of not so attractive picks in what looks to be very, very weak draft.

I spent too much time on trade machine and depth charts to figure any trade that would make sense for Gordon and i really can't.
Being 3rd party with Hawks -chase for solid player- facilitating trade with Gordon to get Hunter or Reddish is closest thing i would be somewhat happy in return value





Dallas gives #18 pick, Dallas gets more value in less players, magic get solid stop-gap talent and pick.

This trade would probably signal vuc trade so this is best i could come up with



Let's not get it twisted, this is 18-22 wins team and complete rebuild kick-starts.
Ross is probably also gone in this scenario for late first round pick.

[Ducklett]

we dont need 15 th or 17th draft will flat out by then (titanic broken flute theme)

What are the odds 15 or 17 are even as good as AG in 4-7 years? Pretty low I would say.

Rather take that chance than sit here thumb up our bum. I’d take 2 of Maxey Lewis Desmond Bane

But we are going to get one of them without trading AG... why waste assets on garbage. At worst we trade AG at the deadline for a 2021 pick in the same range and have much better odds at a much better player.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Wouldn't you pass it tho?
JJ is only attractive as salary dump.

You can't tell me that Cole Anthony/Josh Green/Mannion as return value for Gordon isn't terrible returning value.

After 6 years of investment in 4th overall pick you flush him for... projected backup PG

I’ve been done with this team for 2 years. At this point do we even know AGs value? He’s an underwhelming player still riding the potential train. I’d possibly take that deal because it wouldn’t be the only few I do this week.

I just don't like any of this trade ideas that are floating around. Vast majority of them is salary dump for chance to chase some potential upgrade in 2021, who, btw, won't sign here because team will suck on bunch of not so attractive picks in what looks to be very, very weak draft.

I spent too much time on trade machine and depth charts to figure any trade that would make sense for Gordon and i really can't.
Being 3rd party with Hawks -chase for solid player- facilitating trade with Gordon to get Hunter or Reddish is closest thing i would be somewhat happy in return value





Dallas gives #18 pick, Dallas gets more value in less players, magic get solid stop-gap talent and pick.

This trade would probably signal vuc trade so this is best i could come up with



Let's not get it twisted, this is 18-22 wins team and complete rebuild kick-starts.
Ross is probably also gone in this scenario for late first round pick.

Id rather watch an 18-22 win team lead by Fultz Okeke 2 draft picks this year than the current roster right now. We know what’s going to happen with this roster and it’s honestly boring basketball and has been.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

What are the odds 15 or 17 are even as good as AG in 4-7 years? Pretty low I would say.

Rather take that chance than sit here thumb up our bum. I’d take 2 of Maxey Lewis Desmond Bane

But we are going to get one of them without trading AG... why waste assets on garbage. At worst we trade AG at the deadline for a 2021 pick in the same range and have much better odds at a much better player.

AGs value isn’t getting any better the longer this FO takes calls on him. AGs game isn’t going to magically get better either.

Maxey Lewis Bane would walk in and likely be the Magic’s 4th best player... not sure I’d call that garbage.

This FO also isn’t trading anything of value at the deadline or else they’d re tool it up now and not waste 1/2 a year to not re tool. We could be 10 games out of 8th and theyd still push for a playoff spot.

I’m just done with this team if nothing happens, sorry for dragging it again.