When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[paperboymafia]

Why do people need to agree with political and lifestyle opinions of people who hardly finish highschool and who are groomed to never make money off their brain/thinking/opinoins but rather their physical atribute or set of talents that make them good at some sport?


Why do you even care what athlete thinks in first place ? I'll never get worshiping of athletes ( or even worst, celebrities and singers ) in general. Difference between you and one Lebron James comes from fact that one was born as "zero point one percent genetic" athletic outliner being 6'9, low bodyfat , motoric ability, durabilty , coordination . And other is you. Without any of it.
Sure sure hard work and all other buzzwords that mean little. Reality is rather ugly one, he (and most of them ) was born with body to become zero point one percent -athlete, you weren't. That's doesn't make him, or any other pro athlete political opinion any more valuable ( or less valuable ) than yours. So why do you care?

People got so cought up into this Isaac opinion that it's hilarous. You think vaccination is saving lifes? Good, take vaccine. If he doesn't, good, let him do whatever he pleases. IF that ends up costing him money and career (like it seems to be doing to Kyrie Irving) ,again, it's his decision , not yours to make. If he feels like going to talk shows and talk with people who share same opinion views, good for him. Jason Collins was nba nobody and went in public to say he is gay. Over next couple of months he was popping out of every talking show that is left wing or supported left wing. CNN, Oprah, ABC news , you name it, he was there. And Jason Collins from basketball perspective was equivalent of 14th man in rotation on bad team.

They get calls to those shows because it helps spread agendas, they use world-wide athletes worship to do their "wink wink--see XY is famous and he thinks just like us, it means we are right -wink wink".

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[RookieStar]

Exactly.. im pro-vax. Im all for us trying to get back to our normal lives pre-covid. However I will also be the one to admit there are a lot of unknowns, mistakes and misinformation about this. And as I said, with what happened to me after my 2nd dose, i cant fault anyone anymore with their decision on their bodies.

So to JI, if he doesnt get vaxxed and he doesnt hurt our team with it then why not? So what if he has his own locker room, dining place, sitting in the baggage area in the plane, etc etc. let him deal eith the consequence.

What happened to you?

As I said in that locked covid/vax thread we had here, I am one of the 1%(LOL)!!!

Seriously, Im one of those 1% of the population unlucky enough to get severe adverse side effect with the vaccine. Was laid out in the hospital for 8 days. Skipped work for a month. Even now Im advised to take it easy cuz my body isn't back to normal yet. Im still under monitoring for tests even though Im out of the hospital.

Don't want to get into more details/specifics in public but let's just say, with what happened to me and knowing that Im lucky enough to have medical aid/insurance by my company to pay for the expense, Im more understanding to those who have different views on vax as long as they understand and accept their consequences.

[MoMM]

Exactly.. im pro-vax. Im all for us trying to get back to our normal lives pre-covid. However I will also be the one to admit there are a lot of unknowns, mistakes and misinformation about this. And as I said, with what happened to me after my 2nd dose, i cant fault anyone anymore with their decision on their bodies.

So to JI, if he doesnt get vaxxed and he doesnt hurt our team with it then why not? So what if he has his own locker room, dining place, sitting in the baggage area in the plane, etc etc. let him deal eith the consequence.

What happened to you?

As I said in that locked covid/vax thread we had here, I am one of the 1%(LOL)!!!

Seriously, Im one of those 1% of the population unlucky enough to get severe adverse side effect with the vaccine. Was laid out in the hospital for 8 days. Skipped work for a month. Even now Im advised to take it easy cuz my body isn't back to normal yet. Im still under monitoring for tests even though Im out of the hospital.

Don't want to get into more details/specifics in public but let's just say, with what happened to me and knowing that Im lucky enough to have medical aid/insurance by my company to pay for the expense, Im more understanding to those who have different views on vax as long as they understand and accept their consequences.

Got it.

Best of luck for you, hope everything gets back to normal asap

[RookieStar]

What happened to you?

As I said in that locked covid/vax thread we had here, I am one of the 1%(LOL)!!!

Seriously, Im one of those 1% of the population unlucky enough to get severe adverse side effect with the vaccine. Was laid out in the hospital for 8 days. Skipped work for a month. Even now Im advised to take it easy cuz my body isn't back to normal yet. Im still under monitoring for tests even though Im out of the hospital.

Don't want to get into more details/specifics in public but let's just say, with what happened to me and knowing that Im lucky enough to have medical aid/insurance by my company to pay for the expense, Im more understanding to those who have different views on vax as long as they understand and accept their consequences.

Got it.

Best of luck for you, hope everything gets back to normal asap

Thanks. I hope so too.

[Magic_Kingdom]

Why do people need to agree with political and lifestyle opinions of people who hardly finish highschool and who are groomed to never make money off their brain/thinking/opinoins but rather their physical atribute or set of talents that make them good at some sport?


Why do you even care what athlete thinks in first place ? I'll never get worshiping of athletes ( or even worst, celebrities and singers ) in general. Difference between you and one Lebron James comes from fact that one was born as "zero point one percent genetic" athletic outliner being 6'9, low bodyfat , motoric ability, durabilty , coordination . And other is you. Without any of it.
Sure sure hard work and all other buzzwords that mean little. Reality is rather ugly one, he (and most of them ) was born with body to become zero point one percent -athlete, you weren't. That's doesn't make him, or any other pro athlete political opinion any more valuable ( or less valuable ) than yours. So why do you care?

People got so cought up into this Isaac opinion that it's hilarous. You think vaccination is saving lifes? Good, take vaccine. If he doesn't, good, let him do whatever he pleases. IF that ends up costing him money and career (like it seems to be doing to Kyrie Irving) ,again, it's his decision , not yours to make. If he feels like going to talk shows and talk with people who share same opinion views, good for him. Jason Collins was nba nobody and went in public to say he is gay. Over next couple of months he was popping out of every talking show that is left wing or supported left wing. CNN, Oprah, ABC news , you name it, he was there. And Jason Collins from basketball perspective was equivalent of 14th man in rotation on bad team.

They get calls to those shows because it helps spread agendas, they use world-wide athletes worship to do their "wink wink--see XY is famous and he thinks just like us, it means we are right -wink wink".

Pepe, I think you are really missing the point here. If Isaac came out and said the new James Bond movie is terrible, that would be his "opinion". If he said the government should institute a flat tax or stop subsidizing the fossil fuel industry, those would be political "opinions". What Isaac did is question the science of a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic, which is especially frustrating given how many people do look up to him and listen to him. How many young people won't get vaccinated because Isaac made comments about not trusting the scientists? It's like using your platform as a celebrity to question whether we really need to wear seatbelts, because people die in car accidents even when they are wearing them.

It's not surprising that Isaac's partner here is Kyrie, who is another science denier. When Kyrie says the earth is actually flat, is that just Kyrie's "opinion"? Uneducated, untested, unresearched opinions are not entitled to the same weight as educated, tested, researched, peer-reviewed scientific evidence. There's a difference between stating your opinion and spreading disinformation.

[basketballRob]

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[AaronB]

The Florida Surgeon General (say what you want about his politics) who has a PhD from Harvard and an MD from Harvard Medical Center and taught at UCLA, agrees with Isaac.

https://rumble.com/vo9aip-floridas-surgeon-general-shreds-climate-of-dishonesty-about-covid-in-epic-r.html

Again, I am not advocating a position one way or another, just pointing out that Isaac's position agrees with the top medical officer in Florida. It disagrees with the Surgeon General of the US, but again I am only pointing out that the Magic play in Florida and the rules of employment are determined by the state, not the federal govt.

The NBA would be violating Florida law to institute some sort of discrimination against Isaac based on his vaccine status.

In full disclosure, my cardiologist advised me to get the vaccine (2 actually) in April, and I did it without any known complications (to date anyway).

[pepe1991]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/covid-hysteria-based-on-lies-propaganda-and-ignorance/news-story/b95a651fc3b98e76235621ecfdfe936a

This is pretty much- other side of what governments preaching type article, but data about no-vax survival rate and Ferguson's terrible predictions in past hold merit.
Also hole paragraph of Sweden is funny jab at doomsday projections for that country in past, given that they are pretty much only developed country who never had any measure against covid.

I'm not anti vaccine, but i will always be supporter of doing whatever you want ,as long as you don't put anybody else in harm.

Pretty much all evidences now support fact that even vaccinated people spread and transmit virus, so " saving others by vaccinating" is simply false narrative.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Why do people need to agree with political and lifestyle opinions of people who hardly finish highschool and who are groomed to never make money off their brain/thinking/opinoins but rather their physical atribute or set of talents that make them good at some sport?


Why do you even care what athlete thinks in first place ? I'll never get worshiping of athletes ( or even worst, celebrities and singers ) in general. Difference between you and one Lebron James comes from fact that one was born as "zero point one percent genetic" athletic outliner being 6'9, low bodyfat , motoric ability, durabilty , coordination . And other is you. Without any of it.
Sure sure hard work and all other buzzwords that mean little. Reality is rather ugly one, he (and most of them ) was born with body to become zero point one percent -athlete, you weren't. That's doesn't make him, or any other pro athlete political opinion any more valuable ( or less valuable ) than yours. So why do you care?

People got so cought up into this Isaac opinion that it's hilarous. You think vaccination is saving lifes? Good, take vaccine. If he doesn't, good, let him do whatever he pleases. IF that ends up costing him money and career (like it seems to be doing to Kyrie Irving) ,again, it's his decision , not yours to make. If he feels like going to talk shows and talk with people who share same opinion views, good for him. Jason Collins was nba nobody and went in public to say he is gay. Over next couple of months he was popping out of every talking show that is left wing or supported left wing. CNN, Oprah, ABC news , you name it, he was there. And Jason Collins from basketball perspective was equivalent of 14th man in rotation on bad team.

They get calls to those shows because it helps spread agendas, they use world-wide athletes worship to do their "wink wink--see XY is famous and he thinks just like us, it means we are right -wink wink".

Pepe, I think you are really missing the point here. If Isaac came out and said the new James Bond movie is terrible, that would be his "opinion". If he said the government should institute a flat tax or stop subsidizing the fossil fuel industry, those would be political "opinions". What Isaac did is question the science of a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic, which is especially frustrating given how many people do look up to him and listen to him. How many young people won't get vaccinated because Isaac made comments about not trusting the scientists? It's like using your platform as a celebrity to question whether we really need to wear seatbelts, because people die in car accidents even when they are wearing them.

It's not surprising that Isaac's partner here is Kyrie, who is another science denier. When Kyrie says the earth is actually flat, is that just Kyrie's "opinion"? Uneducated, untested, unresearched opinions are not entitled to the same weight as educated, tested, researched, peer-reviewed scientific evidence. There's a difference between stating your opinion and spreading disinformation.

He did not deny the science. His main point was to asked the question why get vaccinated if you already had Covid?

[Def Swami]

Why do people need to agree with political and lifestyle opinions of people who hardly finish highschool and who are groomed to never make money off their brain/thinking/opinoins but rather their physical atribute or set of talents that make them good at some sport?


Why do you even care what athlete thinks in first place ? I'll never get worshiping of athletes ( or even worst, celebrities and singers ) in general. Difference between you and one Lebron James comes from fact that one was born as "zero point one percent genetic" athletic outliner being 6'9, low bodyfat , motoric ability, durabilty , coordination . And other is you. Without any of it.
Sure sure hard work and all other buzzwords that mean little. Reality is rather ugly one, he (and most of them ) was born with body to become zero point one percent -athlete, you weren't. That's doesn't make him, or any other pro athlete political opinion any more valuable ( or less valuable ) than yours. So why do you care?

People got so cought up into this Isaac opinion that it's hilarous. You think vaccination is saving lifes? Good, take vaccine. If he doesn't, good, let him do whatever he pleases. IF that ends up costing him money and career (like it seems to be doing to Kyrie Irving) ,again, it's his decision , not yours to make. If he feels like going to talk shows and talk with people who share same opinion views, good for him. Jason Collins was nba nobody and went in public to say he is gay. Over next couple of months he was popping out of every talking show that is left wing or supported left wing. CNN, Oprah, ABC news , you name it, he was there. And Jason Collins from basketball perspective was equivalent of 14th man in rotation on bad team.

They get calls to those shows because it helps spread agendas, they use world-wide athletes worship to do their "wink wink--see XY is famous and he thinks just like us, it means we are right -wink wink".

Pepe, I think you are really missing the point here. If Isaac came out and said the new James Bond movie is terrible, that would be his "opinion". If he said the government should institute a flat tax or stop subsidizing the fossil fuel industry, those would be political "opinions". What Isaac did is question the science of a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic, which is especially frustrating given how many people do look up to him and listen to him. How many young people won't get vaccinated because Isaac made comments about not trusting the scientists? It's like using your platform as a celebrity to question whether we really need to wear seatbelts, because people die in car accidents even when they are wearing them.

It's not surprising that Isaac's partner here is Kyrie, who is another science denier. When Kyrie says the earth is actually flat, is that just Kyrie's "opinion"? Uneducated, untested, unresearched opinions are not entitled to the same weight as educated, tested, researched, peer-reviewed scientific evidence. There's a difference between stating your opinion and spreading disinformation.

He did not deny the science. His main point was to asked the question why get vaccinated if you already had Covid?

From the CDC:

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:

Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.
Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.
Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html?s_cid=10482:vaccine%20after%20covid:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

[basketballRob]

Pepe, I think you are really missing the point here. If Isaac came out and said the new James Bond movie is terrible, that would be his "opinion". If he said the government should institute a flat tax or stop subsidizing the fossil fuel industry, those would be political "opinions". What Isaac did is question the science of a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic, which is especially frustrating given how many people do look up to him and listen to him. How many young people won't get vaccinated because Isaac made comments about not trusting the scientists? It's like using your platform as a celebrity to question whether we really need to wear seatbelts, because people die in car accidents even when they are wearing them.

It's not surprising that Isaac's partner here is Kyrie, who is another science denier. When Kyrie says the earth is actually flat, is that just Kyrie's "opinion"? Uneducated, untested, unresearched opinions are not entitled to the same weight as educated, tested, researched, peer-reviewed scientific evidence. There's a difference between stating your opinion and spreading disinformation.

He did not deny the science. His main point was to asked the question why get vaccinated if you already had Covid?

From the CDC:

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:

Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.
Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.
Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html?s_cid=10482:vaccine%20after%20covid:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

They also have studies saying the opposite. That's like the sugar company can do a study saying you should consume lots of sugar daily. Do you think big pharma, that's making hundreds of billions, possibly in the trillions off the vaccine can skew opinions? I know I even had to sign a release of liability.

Big Pharma is the biggest contributor to politicians.

Big Pharma also says we should take opioids.



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[swarlesbarkley]

Why do people need to agree with political and lifestyle opinions of people who hardly finish highschool and who are groomed to never make money off their brain/thinking/opinoins but rather their physical atribute or set of talents that make them good at some sport?


Why do you even care what athlete thinks in first place ? I'll never get worshiping of athletes ( or even worst, celebrities and singers ) in general. Difference between you and one Lebron James comes from fact that one was born as "zero point one percent genetic" athletic outliner being 6'9, low bodyfat , motoric ability, durabilty , coordination . And other is you. Without any of it.
Sure sure hard work and all other buzzwords that mean little. Reality is rather ugly one, he (and most of them ) was born with body to become zero point one percent -athlete, you weren't. That's doesn't make him, or any other pro athlete political opinion any more valuable ( or less valuable ) than yours. So why do you care?

People got so cought up into this Isaac opinion that it's hilarous. You think vaccination is saving lifes? Good, take vaccine. If he doesn't, good, let him do whatever he pleases. IF that ends up costing him money and career (like it seems to be doing to Kyrie Irving) ,again, it's his decision , not yours to make. If he feels like going to talk shows and talk with people who share same opinion views, good for him. Jason Collins was nba nobody and went in public to say he is gay. Over next couple of months he was popping out of every talking show that is left wing or supported left wing. CNN, Oprah, ABC news , you name it, he was there. And Jason Collins from basketball perspective was equivalent of 14th man in rotation on bad team.

They get calls to those shows because it helps spread agendas, they use world-wide athletes worship to do their "wink wink--see XY is famous and he thinks just like us, it means we are right -wink wink".

Pepe, I think you are really missing the point here. If Isaac came out and said the new James Bond movie is terrible, that would be his "opinion". If he said the government should institute a flat tax or stop subsidizing the fossil fuel industry, those would be political "opinions". What Isaac did is question the science of a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic, which is especially frustrating given how many people do look up to him and listen to him. How many young people won't get vaccinated because Isaac made comments about not trusting the scientists? It's like using your platform as a celebrity to question whether we really need to wear seatbelts, because people die in car accidents even when they are wearing them.

It's not surprising that Isaac's partner here is Kyrie, who is another science denier. When Kyrie says the earth is actually flat, is that just Kyrie's "opinion"? Uneducated, untested, unresearched opinions are not entitled to the same weight as educated, tested, researched, peer-reviewed scientific evidence. There's a difference between stating your opinion and spreading disinformation.

He did not deny the science. His main point was to asked the question why get vaccinated if you already had Covid?

The same study that JI referenced when saying his anti-bodies from COVID are as good or better than the vaccine also says getting vaccinated after having COVID reduces his chances of getting COVID again by 50% more. He just chose to not share that part.

And regardless of feelings/opinions about him not being vaccinated - there's a clear competitive disadvantage to not being vaccinated. So our highest paid player on the roster barely plays anyway (he's played in 45% of available games since 2017) and is making a personal decision to put himself and the team at a disadvantage. So even if a person is cool with him being anti-vaccinated, basically all Magic fans should be upset that he's choosing to put himself and the team at a disadvantage.

Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 (note that this article a pre-print and not peer-reviewed yet, just sharing because this where JI got his info from).

[swarlesbarkley]

He did not deny the science. His main point was to asked the question why get vaccinated if you already had Covid?

From the CDC:

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:

Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.
Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.
Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html?s_cid=10482:vaccine%20after%20covid:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

They also have studies saying the opposite. That's like the sugar company can do a study saying you should consume lots of sugar daily. Do you think big pharma, that's making hundreds of billions, possibly in the trillions off the vaccine can skew opinions? I know I even had to sign a release of liability.

Big Pharma is the biggest contributor to politicians.

Big Pharma also says we should take opioids.



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Citation needed.

[basketballRob]

From the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html?s_cid=10482:vaccine%20after%20covid:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

They also have studies saying the opposite. That's like the sugar company can do a study saying you should consume lots of sugar daily. Do you think big pharma, that's making hundreds of billions, possibly in the trillions off the vaccine can skew opinions? I know I even had to sign a release of liability.

Big Pharma is the biggest contributor to politicians.

Big Pharma also says we should take opioids.



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Citation needed.

I'm pro vaccine, but I don't think it's a silver bullet.

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[swarlesbarkley]

They also have studies saying the opposite. That's like the sugar company can do a study saying you should consume lots of sugar daily. Do you think big pharma, that's making hundreds of billions, possibly in the trillions off the vaccine can skew opinions? I know I even had to sign a release of liability.

Big Pharma is the biggest contributor to politicians.

Big Pharma also says we should take opioids.



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Citation needed.

I'm pro vaccine, but I don't think it's a silver bullet.

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Sir, I don't think you understand what a citation or a source is. Even as someone who is pro-vaccine you should share those "studies" you referenced so others can give them a look. I assume you're talking about this study (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1) which has merit but is not yet peer-reviewed and didn't test for asymptomatic cases. The CDC has standards that they adhere to and one of those standards includes only posting information based on peer-reviewed data. It's not some big conspiracy.

[Skybox]

Great...let's get another thread locked.

I don't care what he thinks (or doesn't) about Vaccines any more than I care that TRoss thinks 9/11 never happened, etc etc.

People (these days) will listen to athletes about things they may know NOTHING about (or may know everything about) more than they will listen to an expert in the field...sad but true. People yelling "shut up and dribble" are probably just on the other side of said athlete's position...Why is Scott Baio more of an authority than Lebron James (for example)? I don't blame these guys for using their platform to promote a cause, I just wish more Americans weren't dumb enough to give their opinion any weight (without considering their expertise first).

I care that the biggest knock is that he's never on the court -this isn't helping. Kyrie is absolutely f**king his teammates (who aren't getting any younger-from 1-10 on that roster). Wiggins' strong religious beliefs make me laugh...they dried up quick when he wasn't going to get paid.

[Skybox]

By the way, When is Isaac returning?

[basketballRob]

By the way, When is Isaac returning?

November 13.

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[swarlesbarkley]

Great...let's get another thread locked.

I don't care what he thinks (or doesn't) about Vaccines any more than I care that TRoss thinks 9/11 never happened, etc etc.

People (these days) will listen to athletes about things they may know NOTHING about (or may know everything about) more than they will listen to an expert in the field...sad but true. People yelling "shut up and dribble" are probably just on the other side of said athlete's position...Why is Scott Baio more of an authority than Lebron James (for example)? I don't blame these guys for using their platform to promote a cause, I just wish more Americans weren't dumb enough to give their opinion any weight (without considering their expertise first).

I care that the biggest knock is that he's never on the court -this isn't helping. Kyrie is absolutely f**king his teammates (who aren't getting any younger-from 1-10 on that roster). Wiggins' strong religious beliefs make me laugh...they dried up quick when he wasn't going to get paid.

Exactly. Objectively he plays less than 50% of available games and his personal decision to not be vaccinated puts the team at a disadvantage when he plays.

By the way, When is Isaac returning?

Sounds like mid-November but there have been zero updates from the team.

[basketballRob]

Citation needed.

I'm pro vaccine, but I don't think it's a silver bullet.

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Sir, I don't think you understand what a citation or a source is. Even as someone who is pro-vaccine you should share those "studies" you referenced so others can give them a look. I assume you're talking about this study (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1) which has merit but is not yet peer-reviewed and didn't test for asymptomatic cases. The CDC has standards that they adhere to and one of those standards includes only posting information based on peer-reviewed data. It's not some big conspiracy.

The CDC has been politicized in the last few years.

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