The Decision on Fultz?

JBSouthpaw · Post #61 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm

JoshuaPotter · Post #62 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:15 pm

Note, we are 11-10 since Dec 2nd

For all that's worth.

VFX · Post #63 » by **VFX** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:24 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:

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0-3 from 3 in the last 5 games as a starting point guard.

Thats also a cool statistic.

Good to see his assist numbers are breaking 5 though. :lol:

swarlesbarkley · Post #64 » by **swarlesbarkley** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:31 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:

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Fultz does a lot of things right, that's for sure. It's just that, without a 3, he doesn't really fit in with Paolo/Franz. He's probably going to impact winning enough to make us relevant in the regular season, but we need someone who can facilitate and shoot if we want to crack the top 5 in the east with Paolo/Franz.

Post #65 » by **eyriq** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:32 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:

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0-3 from 3 in the last 5 games as a starting point guard.

Thats also a cool statistic.

Good to see his assist numbers are breaking 3-4 though.

The half court sets where Paolo or Franz initiate are painful with Fultz as the PG. He is so limited in those actions. If he's not initiating he's not producing it seems. That is the number one area he needs to improve, playing off ball. We want the ball in the hands of Paolo and Franz as much as possible.

VFX · Post #66 » by **VFX** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:40 pm

eyriq wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:

Read on Twitter

0-3 from 3 in the last 5 games as a starting point guard.

Thats also a cool statistic.

Good to see his assist numbers are breaking 3-4 though.
The half court sets where Paolo or Franz initiate are painful with Fultz as the PG. He is so limited in those actions. If he's not initiating he's not producing it seems. That is the number one area he needs to improve, playing off ball. We want the ball in the hands of Paolo and Franz as much as possible.

How convenient for him.

By the way, the lowest assist numbers for the top 30 league leaders is 5.2.

So in his last 5 games he's actually looking capable for once in his career. Still doesn't explain never taking 3's and never getting to the line.

Post #67 » by **Def Swami** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:50 pm

Just for a thought exercise, I tried to rank the starting point guards in the league and figure out where Fultz fits into that and here's what I got. I broke it into 4 tiers of guards based on past performance and first half of this season. Didn't put too much research into the nitty gritty of the actual number ranking, but I just wanted to see how many guards I would go through before getting to Fultz.

Spoiler:

I think that 20-24 is fluid and I think that's probably the range for Fultz. He's closer to that range than the bottom 6 in my eyes.

Post #68 » by **eyriq** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:54 pm

Def Swami wrote:Just for a thought exercise, I tried to rank the starting point guards in the league and figure out where Fultz fits into that and here's what I got. I broke it into 4 tiers of guards based on past performance and first half of this season. Didn't put too much research into the nitty gritty of the actual number ranking, but I just wanted to see how many guards I would go through before getting to Fultz.

Spoiler:
Alphas
1. Stephen Curry
2. Luka Doncic
3. Ja Morant
4. Damian Lillard

Next Up
5. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
6. Tyrese Haliburton
7. DeAaron Fox
8. Trae Young
9. Darius Garland
10. Lamelo Ball
11. Jalen Brunson

All-Star Vets
12. James Harden
13. Kyrie Irving
14. Chris Paul

Borderline All-Stars
15. Jrue Holiday
16. Jamal Murray
17. Fred Van Vleet
18. CJ McCollum

Vets
19. Marcus Smart
20. Jordan Clarkson
21. Kyle Lowry
22. D'Angelo Russell
23. Reggie Jackson

24. Markelle Fultz

Just Holding the Fort
25. Kevin Porter Jr
26. Monte Morris
27. Ayo Dosumu
28. Dennis Schroder
29. Tre Jones
30. Killian Hayes

That list looks really good!

tooler · Post #69 » by **tooler** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:56 am

So you're saying if we trade for FVV we're only moving up 7 spots, hah!

VFX · Post #70 » by **VFX** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:59 am

24. Markelle Fultz - $16.5m

25. Kevin Porter Jr - 5yr / $3m
26. Monte Morris - 2yr / $9m
27. Ayo Dosumu - 1yr/ $1.5m
28. Dennis Schroder - 1yr / $1.9m
29. Tre Jones - 1yr / $1.7m
30. Killian Hayes - 3yr / $5.5m

Which one of these things is not like the others?

Magic_Kingdom · Post #71 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:13 am

Why has he just stopped shooting threes? His career average is probably higher than Suggs.

And as good as he is at driving, why doesn’t he get to the line more? Maybe that will unfold if he keeps up this FG%.

locomagicfan · Post #72 » by **locomagicfan** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:52 am

If we had a competent SG this wouldn't even be a question. Fultz is excellent on defense, a pass-first PG and exactly the type of player you want feeding Paolo and Franz going forward. He can get to the rim at will and if we had a respectable SG his 3pt shooting would be a non-issue because he does so many other intangible things well as a floor general.

Also, he is still 24!

Post #73 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:53 am

A Quentin Grimes type would be the perfect SG on this team.

AaronB · Post #74 » by **AaronB** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:30 am

MagicMatic wrote:24. Markelle Fultz - $16.5m

25. Kevin Porter Jr - 5yr / $3m
26. Monte Morris - 2yr / $9m
27. Ayo Dosumu - 1yr/ $1.5m
28. Dennis Schroder - 1yr / $1.9m
29. Tre Jones - 1yr / $1.7m
30. Killian Hayes - 3yr / $5.5m

Which one of these things is not like the others?

Could you please redo that list showing steals per game?

Post #75 » by **eyriq** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:34 am

AaronB wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:24. Markelle Fultz - $16.5m

25. Kevin Porter Jr - 5yr / $3m
26. Monte Morris - 2yr / $9m
27. Ayo Dosumu - 1yr/ $1.5m
28. Dennis Schroder - 1yr / $1.9m
29. Tre Jones - 1yr / $1.7m
30. Killian Hayes - 3yr / $5.5m

Which one of these things is not like the others?

Could you please redo that list showing steals per game?

I like that energy, AaronB!

Fultz still has a long way to go to be objectively good as a starter but if that happens it'll happen because of his defense and intangibles.

AaronB · Post #76 » by **AaronB** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:44 am

Def Swami wrote:Just for a thought exercise, I tried to rank the starting point guards in the league and figure out where Fultz fits into that and here's what I got. I broke it into 4 tiers of guards based on past performance and first half of this season. Didn't put too much research into the nitty gritty of the actual number ranking, but I just wanted to see how many guards I would go through before getting to Fultz.

Spoiler:
Alphas
1. Stephen Curry
2. Luka Doncic
3. Ja Morant
4. Damian Lillard

Next Up
5. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
6. Tyrese Haliburton
7. DeAaron Fox
8. Trae Young
9. Darius Garland
10. Lamelo Ball
11. Jalen Brunson

All-Star Vets
12. James Harden
13. Kyrie Irving
14. Chris Paul

Borderline All-Stars
15. Jrue Holiday
16. Jamal Murray
17. Fred Van Vleet
18. CJ McCollum

Vets
19. Marcus Smart
20. Jordan Clarkson
21. Kyle Lowry
22. D'Angelo Russell
23. Reggie Jackson

24. Markelle Fultz

Just Holding the Fort
25. Kevin Porter Jr
26. Monte Morris
27. Ayo Dosumu
28. Dennis Schroder
29. Tre Jones
30. Killian Hayes

I think that 20-24 is fluid and I think that's probably the range for Fultz. He's closer to that range than the bottom 6 in my eyes.

If healthy, I would put Fultz at 17, above FVV.

There is a lot more about being a PG than jacking up 3s.

The biggest problem with ranking Fultz is injury issues.

fateis007 · Post #77 » by **fateis007** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:15 am

He is our best option at this moment and the only guy capable of handling the rock full time imo. I personally love the way he pushes the pace and defensively, he is good. Suggs has the defense also, but just not a complete player yet. When is the last time we had an allstar caliber point guard in their prime? Only Jameer comes to mind for one season.

tiderulz · Post #78 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:06 pm

locomagicfan wrote:If we had a competent SG this wouldn't even be a question. Fultz is excellent on defense, a pass-first PG and exactly the type of player you want feeding Paolo and Franz going forward. He can get to the rim at will and if we had a respectable SG his 3pt shooting would be a non-issue because he does so many other intangible things well as a floor general.

Also, he is still 24!

you say he is 24 like it is a really good thing. that 24 is 6 years in the league. Orlando picked up him and give him a big contract hoping that he would recapture some of the things that made him a #1 pick. he hasnt done that. He is at best an average starter in the league

tiderulz · Post #79 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:09 pm

AaronB wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:24. Markelle Fultz - $16.5m

25. Kevin Porter Jr - 5yr / $3m
26. Monte Morris - 2yr / $9m
27. Ayo Dosumu - 1yr/ $1.5m
28. Dennis Schroder - 1yr / $1.9m
29. Tre Jones - 1yr / $1.7m
30. Killian Hayes - 3yr / $5.5m

Which one of these things is not like the others?

Could you please redo that list showing steals per game?

you think a key stat for a PG would be steals per game? people can cherry pick for steals at the cost of playing good defense.

JBSouthpaw · Post #80 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:26 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:

Read on Twitter

0-3 from 3 in the last 5 games as a starting point guard.

Thats also a cool statistic.

Good to see his assist numbers are breaking 5 though.

61% (including the 0-3 from 3)
why are you bashing someone that efficient?
He gets easy baskets.
People tried to knock DeRozen about this too, then he became a MVP candidate last year.

Yes, it would be great if we had a PG who shot 40% from 3, but they don't grow on trees.
Let us be happy with what he does great.
6+ assists on a team that averages less than 25 is very good. Not like he has the highest usage either.
6.4 assists for the season would put him in top 20 for the league.
Nobody was doing it before Fultz came back.
But whatever, if you don't like a player, who cares if he's helping win games. :dontknow:

What move will the Magic front office make on Fultz? Either this year or next.