Waive Isaac?

[Audi]

There is no "jumpshot" without 3 point jumpshot.

So you've basically just redefined what "jumpshot" means. That's fine...was just asking for clarity - you could've just said that and avoided having to type the rest of all that though.

Just for sake of argument do you consider Spance DIwniddie elite shooter?

Not sure what kind of argument could be made here..."elite shooter" is how I would describe someone that is at the top of their class at shooting the basketball anywhere on the court. "No jumpshot" is how I would describe someone who...doesn't have a jumpshot in their offensive repertoire. Some C's, for example.

To answer you question though - no, I don't consider Dinwiddie an elite shooter. He was a "very good shooter" in Dallas, though. But even though his 3pt% plummeted from 40% to 28% after the trade, I still wouldn't say he 'has no jumpshot'.

[Skybox]

WCJ made an immediate impact as soon as he played for us (before extension) biggest concern with him was he couldn't stay healthy. IMO at the time he was at the very least worth $15M plus per year based on his age and play alone and we got him at $12.5.

Fultz is in a similar situation right now where I am reading per other posters here that he will get $25M plus. If extended right now he likely doesn't get more than $20 or at least in the area, call it $18-$22, instead of $25-$30 plus that I read. That would be a discount based on his injury history because I am pretty sure Fultz and his reps believe he is worth $25 plus, but he knows freak injuries too well to pass up on guaranteed money for 3-4 years or however much the extension is for.

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Did he tho? When he arived Magic went on 11 games, 10 Ls streak. Over 3 games his plus minus was -50

Wendell turned into great value, but his contract wasn't discount. He simply , prior exstension, didn't showed much. Especially on Bulls, he was pretty damn bad. And sample size of 22 games on Magic was him looking execlly how he looked on Bulls.

Today, imo he is 3rd best Magic player. But in moment of resign he was just rotation player.

Whole Fultz contract situation is awkward. I would not pay Fultz $14M let alone 18, 22-25 M range is straight crazy talk to me. He is definition of backup PG. Watching pretty much any playoff series explains why he can't start on serious team.

But he will probably sign exstension before Magic play serious playoff series where somebody exploits everything wrong with PG without jumpshot.

Wont argue with the stats, but Carter looked handy from pretty early on, playing the 4 and the 5.

"Handy" is what his deal reflects...now he's better than handy.

If $18-$22m/yr is a "team-friendly deal" for Fultz, I've got a bridge to sell you....$25 to 30m is beyond absurd fireable offense for FO.
On the other hand, he did promise that he can shoot 3's.

[JoshuaPotter]

Weltman would not have said what he did after season if we were going to waive him. The incentive for money really become a consideration after next year when he is only guaranteed what 2 mil? He isn’t tradeable either. I mean we probably could get a second but some of y’all think we can get a good role player for him or something.

His value is so low, I don't think we could even get "cash considerations" for him in a trade. At this point he MIGHT be just salary filler.

Either way, might as well just let this contract ride out and see if he comes back healthy and can be service to us. One things about this guy is he does seem to try.

[JF5]

There's no point in waiving him. Also, given how versatile/impactful he is as a defender and his probable willingness to take a team friendly contract I don't see the point of letting him go until probably the following season if he can't stay healthy.

[Skin]

What's the benefit for waiving him other than looking like an idiot if he thrives elsewhere?

[pepe1991]

There is no "jumpshot" without 3 point jumpshot.

So you've basically just redefined what "jumpshot" means. That's fine...was just asking for clarity - you could've just said that and avoided having to type the rest of all that though.

Just for sake of argument do you consider Spance DIwniddie elite shooter?

Not sure what kind of argument could be made here..."elite shooter" is how I would describe someone that is at the top of their class at shooting the basketball anywhere on the court. "No jumpshot" is how I would describe someone who...doesn't have a jumpshot in their offensive repertoire. Some C's, for example.

To answer you question though - no, I don't consider Dinwiddie an elite shooter. He was a "very good shooter" in Dallas, though. But even though his 3pt% plummeted from 40% to 28% after the trade, I still wouldn't say he 'has no jumpshot'.

No i didn't redefined what jumpshot means but mid range is already well established as worst shot in basketball and 3 ball took over near 40% of all shots in nba.
Being great mid range shooter isn't very important tool, it's nice tool to have non less, but isn't pivotal for sucess. Hence, Franz Wagner doesn't shoot mid range jumpers at all and he is more than fine player.

But for Fultz in particular, for player that can't shoot 3s ( low accuracy, low frequency) he isn't THAT good of a mid range shooter as you think.
Standing at 41% for long mid range from 20-24 feet that wasn't enough to crack top 70 in nba
From between 15-19 feet he was around top 40-ish.
From 10-16 ft ragne he was around 70th in nba as wel
From 5-9 feet he was 43rd.
At least 50 attemps as criteria for all of them.

His numbers can easly be compared to somebody like Ja Morant, who is still in playoffs defended as "non shooter" because defense will be more than fine giving him up 20 foot jumpshots whole series long. At apsolute best he'll shoot some 42 % over 7 games and at apsolute best bring piss poor 0,84 points per possesssion where average 3 point shooter will bring home 1,05 ppp. Do the math and you will figure how fast you will fall behind trading 3s for long 2s. level of difficulty is near identical and reward is 16% lower with each turn.



I used Dinwiddie as obvious example how nobody consideres "great" or even "good" jumpshooter, despite his "geat" profile as shooter from mid range.
In perfect world elite shooter is elite from any range, but there are handful of players who actually fit a bill. I don't consider somebody "jumpshooter" who passes wide open 25 foot look and dribbles every time inside traffic because he doesn't feel comfortable using 3 point shot. I don't care is his name Ja, Markelle or Russell.

[Magic_Kingdom]

What's the benefit for waiving him other than looking like an idiot if he thrives elsewhere?

Apparently only $7 million of his salary is guaranteed next season, so if you waive him you free up approximately $10 million in salary-cap space. If the front office believes they could use that extra $10 mil in free agency this summer to improve the team, then there would be a benefit to waiving him.

If the Magic waive Isaac and he miraculously becomes healthy and thrives on another team, that would be unfortunate. But no one could accuse the front office of not being patient. Quite the opposite, they never should have signed him to this extension to begin with. There was no evidence at the time that he could stay on the court, and now, more than 2 years later, there still isn't.

And who's to say that moving on from Isaac wouldn't have intangible effects in the locker room and front office? Do you think the other players don't know that JI is going into his third straight season as the highest-paid player on the team? Imagine an office where the highest-paid employee never showed up to work for 3 straight years. For every report, presentation, business call, he's not there and you're a man down. It's not his fault because he's always sick. But it's been 3 years -- why is management paying him so much more than the rest of the guys who grind it out every day?

For the front office, they would get to go into a season without wondering if JI will play, and making decisions based on the possibility that he will. If Welt really believes Isaac will play next year, how is that impacting his view of the draft, free agency and trades? If he's wrong -- again -- what did we miss out on? What could he have done with the roster spot and extra cap space?

If they have no use for the cap room and money is no object -- meaning, the extra $10 mil for zero production doesn't concern ownership from a bottom-line perspective -- then yes, they will probably keep him. But I'm surprised so many posters believe keeping him is a no-brainer, or that waiving him would be an "emotional" decision.

[JoshuaPotter]

What's the benefit for waiving him other than looking like an idiot if he thrives elsewhere?

And who's to say that moving on from Isaac wouldn't have intangible effects in the locker room and front office? Do you think the other players don't know that JI is going into his third straight season as the highest-paid player on the team? Imagine an office where the highest-paid employee never showed up to work for 3 straight years. For every report, presentation, business call, he's not there and you're a man down. It's not his fault because he's always sick. But it's been 3 years -- why is management paying him so much more than the rest of the guys who grind it out every day?

Quoting the paragraph because I like the analogy but tossing out the bold. He has shown up for work. Just because he has been injured doesn't mean he hasn't played his part on the team. So this analogy is kinda moot as injuries are quite literally part of the game sometimes.

Your point becomes more valid when we hit 3 years. After watching Isaac come back and actually be able to play at an NBA level however briefly it has proven that there is some validity to him trying to get better and to my naked eye, he didn't lose any of his instincts or skills. He seemed to be more or less a similar player as to when he left. That's professional.

I have mentioned it on this post and others. I have serious concerns about his long term health and wouldn't be surprised if this was his last hurrah as much as I wouldn't be surprised if he gets better and plays another decade.

But one narrative I just flatly don't agree with is that he never worked. Reminded me very much of our Grand Hill saga. Both clearly put in the time and sacrificed their bodies to stay as good a shape as they could.

[drsd]

I have mentioned it on this post and others. I have serious concerns about his long term health and wouldn't be surprised if this was his last hurrah as much as I wouldn't be surprised if he gets better and plays another decade.

But one narrative I just flatly don't agree with is that he never worked. Reminded me very much of our Grand Hill saga. Both clearly put in the time and sacrificed their bodies to stay as good a shape as they could.

I also have it 50/50 that he either is a serviceable player in the NBA for 5-10 years, or is unemployed on Jan. 2024. It is one of those two things.


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[JoshuaPotter]

I have mentioned it on this post and others. I have serious concerns about his long term health and wouldn't be surprised if this was his last hurrah as much as I wouldn't be surprised if he gets better and plays another decade.

But one narrative I just flatly don't agree with is that he never worked. Reminded me very much of our Grand Hill saga. Both clearly put in the time and sacrificed their bodies to stay as good a shape as they could.

I also have it 50/50 that he either is a serviceable player in the NBA for 5-10 years, or is unemployed on Jan. 2024. It is one of those two things.


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When people ask why I am less interested in drafted a "F" at the 6th pick.

I remind them that we already have Mo (serviceable but not great, could use an upgrade), Isaac (would be an upgrade if he returns from injury fine), and Bol-Bol the project.

We have 3 players, 1 we are trying to let the injuries sort themselves out, 1 we are trying to develop, and 1 is what we are actually playing with. I am OK with this balance for now as we are talking bench players backing up two dynamic "F" players.

[pepe1991]

What's the benefit for waiving him other than looking like an idiot if he thrives elsewhere?

And who's to say that moving on from Isaac wouldn't have intangible effects in the locker room and front office? Do you think the other players don't know that JI is going into his third straight season as the highest-paid player on the team? Imagine an office where the highest-paid employee never showed up to work for 3 straight years. For every report, presentation, business call, he's not there and you're a man down. It's not his fault because he's always sick. But it's been 3 years -- why is management paying him so much more than the rest of the guys who grind it out every day?

Quoting the paragraph because I like the analogy but tossing out the bold. He has shown up for work. Just because he has been injured doesn't mean he hasn't played his part on the team. So this analogy is kinda moot as injuries are quite literally part of the game sometimes.

Your point becomes more valid when we hit 3 years. After watching Isaac come back and actually be able to play at an NBA level however briefly it has proven that there is some validity to him trying to get better and to my naked eye, he didn't lose any of his instincts or skills. He seemed to be more or less a similar player as to when he left. That's professional.

I have mentioned it on this post and others. I have serious concerns about his long term health and wouldn't be surprised if this was his last hurrah as much as I wouldn't be surprised if he gets better and plays another decade.

But one narrative I just flatly don't agree with is that he never worked. Reminded me very much of our Grand Hill saga. Both clearly put in the time and sacrificed their bodies to stay as good a shape as they could.

He lasted for 11 games. While not playing back to backs. While only playing 2 games a week. On 10 min a game restrictions.

How to even use him ? 1 game a week, only at home ,not traveling him on a road for 5 min?

And that injury happened after alleged "minor surgery" that he needed crazy amount of time to recover from and that clearly wasn't minor. At least in his case.

I don't know. To me Isaac is lost cause. Been that way for 3 years now. He is better suited chasing rings as regular DNP-CD/dressed in street clothes guy & collect paychecks with occessional several min here and there than expecting him to play basketball on regular bases. If his body is broken & takes ages to recover from age of 20-25, he for damn sure won't age well heading into his 30s.

[drsd]

I remind them that we already have Mo (serviceable but not great, could use an upgrade),....

M-Wagner is a unrestricted free agent. I am sure the Magic would agree to resign him on an LLE deal. But if another team offers him 4M a year, he is gone.


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[JoshuaPotter]

And who's to say that moving on from Isaac wouldn't have intangible effects in the locker room and front office? Do you think the other players don't know that JI is going into his third straight season as the highest-paid player on the team? Imagine an office where the highest-paid employee never showed up to work for 3 straight years. For every report, presentation, business call, he's not there and you're a man down. It's not his fault because he's always sick. But it's been 3 years -- why is management paying him so much more than the rest of the guys who grind it out every day?

Quoting the paragraph because I like the analogy but tossing out the bold. He has shown up for work. Just because he has been injured doesn't mean he hasn't played his part on the team. So this analogy is kinda moot as injuries are quite literally part of the game sometimes.

Your point becomes more valid when we hit 3 years. After watching Isaac come back and actually be able to play at an NBA level however briefly it has proven that there is some validity to him trying to get better and to my naked eye, he didn't lose any of his instincts or skills. He seemed to be more or less a similar player as to when he left. That's professional.

I have mentioned it on this post and others. I have serious concerns about his long term health and wouldn't be surprised if this was his last hurrah as much as I wouldn't be surprised if he gets better and plays another decade.

But one narrative I just flatly don't agree with is that he never worked. Reminded me very much of our Grand Hill saga. Both clearly put in the time and sacrificed their bodies to stay as good a shape as they could.

He lasted for 11 games. While not playing back to backs. While only playing 2 games a week. On 10 min a game restrictions.

How to even use him ? 1 game a week, only at home ,not traveling him on a road for 5 min?

And that injury happened after alleged "minor surgery" that he needed crazy amount of time to recover from and that clearly wasn't minor. At least in his case.

I don't know. To me Isaac is lost cause. Been that way for 3 years now. He is better suited chasing rings as regular DNP-CD/dressed in street clothes guy & collect paychecks with occessional several min here and there than expecting him to play basketball on regular bases. If his body is broken & takes ages to recover from age of 20-25, he for damn sure won't age well heading into his 30s.

The narrative is the narrative. What more do you want? He either comes back healthy or is waived for any reason we both choose to pick in our heads.

How the story plays out, I do not know. Just talking out loud.

[pepe1991]

Quoting the paragraph because I like the analogy but tossing out the bold. He has shown up for work. Just because he has been injured doesn't mean he hasn't played his part on the team. So this analogy is kinda moot as injuries are quite literally part of the game sometimes.

Your point becomes more valid when we hit 3 years. After watching Isaac come back and actually be able to play at an NBA level however briefly it has proven that there is some validity to him trying to get better and to my naked eye, he didn't lose any of his instincts or skills. He seemed to be more or less a similar player as to when he left. That's professional.

I have mentioned it on this post and others. I have serious concerns about his long term health and wouldn't be surprised if this was his last hurrah as much as I wouldn't be surprised if he gets better and plays another decade.

But one narrative I just flatly don't agree with is that he never worked. Reminded me very much of our Grand Hill saga. Both clearly put in the time and sacrificed their bodies to stay as good a shape as they could.

He lasted for 11 games. While not playing back to backs. While only playing 2 games a week. On 10 min a game restrictions.

How to even use him ? 1 game a week, only at home ,not traveling him on a road for 5 min?

And that injury happened after alleged "minor surgery" that he needed crazy amount of time to recover from and that clearly wasn't minor. At least in his case.

I don't know. To me Isaac is lost cause. Been that way for 3 years now. He is better suited chasing rings as regular DNP-CD/dressed in street clothes guy & collect paychecks with occessional several min here and there than expecting him to play basketball on regular bases. If his body is broken & takes ages to recover from age of 20-25, he for damn sure won't age well heading into his 30s.

The narrative is the narrative. What more do you want? He either comes back healthy or is waived for any reason we both choose to pick in our heads.

How the story plays out, I do not know. Just talking out loud.

I would not vaiwe him, just ride his contract out and part ways.

[drsd]

Just for pepe:

Orlando Magic forward Jonathan Isaac averaged 5.0 points, 4.0 rebounds and 1.3 steals in 11 games this season.

SI.com: Jonathan Isaac Ready For First Healthy Summer

Well, with an up to 12 week recovery time, Isaac presumably will be cleared to train soon.


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[fendilim]

What's the benefit for waiving him other than looking like an idiot if he thrives elsewhere?

Apparently only $7 million of his salary is guaranteed next season, so if you waive him you free up approximately $10 million in salary-cap space. If the front office believes they could use that extra $10 mil in free agency this summer to improve the team, then there would be a benefit to waiving him.

If the Magic waive Isaac and he miraculously becomes healthy and thrives on another team, that would be unfortunate. But no one could accuse the front office of not being patient. Quite the opposite, they never should have signed him to this extension to begin with. There was no evidence at the time that he could stay on the court, and now, more than 2 years later, there still isn't.

And who's to say that moving on from Isaac wouldn't have intangible effects in the locker room and front office? Do you think the other players don't know that JI is going into his third straight season as the highest-paid player on the team? Imagine an office where the highest-paid employee never showed up to work for 3 straight years. For every report, presentation, business call, he's not there and you're a man down. It's not his fault because he's always sick. But it's been 3 years -- why is management paying him so much more than the rest of the guys who grind it out every day?

For the front office, they would get to go into a season without wondering if JI will play, and making decisions based on the possibility that he will. If Welt really believes Isaac will play next year, how is that impacting his view of the draft, free agency and trades? If he's wrong -- again -- what did we miss out on? What could he have done with the roster spot and extra cap space?

If they have no use for the cap room and money is no object -- meaning, the extra $10 mil for zero production doesn't concern ownership from a bottom-line perspective -- then yes, they will probably keep him. But I'm surprised so many posters believe keeping him is a no-brainer, or that waiving him would be an "emotional" decision.

His salary will be guaranteed only if he is meet certain game requirements by Jan 2024, if i remember correctly.

There really is no point to cut him right now. Who can we sign that will be better than him? Seriously, if we’re creating another roster spot for an Admiral Schofield caliber Or a Kevon Harris, then that’s absurd.

Isaac, IF healthy, is a hell lot better than those caliber of players. I know that’s a big IF but I would rather risk whatever we are paying him if we’re just going to end up signing another of those nobodies.

[yoyojw17]

What's the benefit for waiving him other than looking like an idiot if he thrives elsewhere?

Apparently only $7 million of his salary is guaranteed next season, so if you waive him you free up approximately $10 million in salary-cap space. If the front office believes they could use that extra $10 mil in free agency this summer to improve the team, then there would be a benefit to waiving him.

If the Magic waive Isaac and he miraculously becomes healthy and thrives on another team, that would be unfortunate. But no one could accuse the front office of not being patient. Quite the opposite, they never should have signed him to this extension to begin with. There was no evidence at the time that he could stay on the court, and now, more than 2 years later, there still isn't.

And who's to say that moving on from Isaac wouldn't have intangible effects in the locker room and front office? Do you think the other players don't know that JI is going into his third straight season as the highest-paid player on the team? Imagine an office where the highest-paid employee never showed up to work for 3 straight years. For every report, presentation, business call, he's not there and you're a man down. It's not his fault because he's always sick. But it's been 3 years -- why is management paying him so much more than the rest of the guys who grind it out every day?

For the front office, they would get to go into a season without wondering if JI will play, and making decisions based on the possibility that he will. If Welt really believes Isaac will play next year, how is that impacting his view of the draft, free agency and trades? If he's wrong -- again -- what did we miss out on? What could he have done with the roster spot and extra cap space?

If they have no use for the cap room and money is no object -- meaning, the extra $10 mil for zero production doesn't concern ownership from a bottom-line perspective -- then yes, they will probably keep him. But I'm surprised so many posters believe keeping him is a no-brainer, or that waiving him would be an "emotional" decision.

His salary will be guaranteed only if he is meet certain game requirements by Jan 2024, if i remember correctly.

There really is no point to cut him right now. Who can we sign that will be better than him? Seriously, if we’re creating another roster spot for an Admiral Schofield caliber Or a Kevon Harris, then that’s absurd.

Isaac, IF healthy, is a hell lot better than those caliber of players. I know that’s a big IF but I would rather risk whatever we are paying him if we’re just going to end up signing another of those nobodies.

Agreed!

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and this is still him getting back into the swing of things. No reason to be hasty if we can potentially have this type of player on our team.

[yoyojw17]

I have mentioned it on this post and others. I have serious concerns about his long term health and wouldn't be surprised if this was his last hurrah as much as I wouldn't be surprised if he gets better and plays another decade.

But one narrative I just flatly don't agree with is that he never worked. Reminded me very much of our Grand Hill saga. Both clearly put in the time and sacrificed their bodies to stay as good a shape as they could.

I also have it 50/50 that he either is a serviceable player in the NBA for 5-10 years, or is unemployed on Jan. 2024. It is one of those two things.


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When people ask why I am less interested in drafted a "F" at the 6th pick.

I remind them that we already have Mo (serviceable but not great, could use an upgrade), Isaac (would be an upgrade if he returns from injury fine), and Bol-Bol the project.

We have 3 players, 1 we are trying to let the injuries sort themselves out, 1 we are trying to develop, and 1 is what we are actually playing with. I am OK with this balance for now as we are talking bench players backing up two dynamic "F" players.

I hope that the player we take is the BPA AND at a position of need. But... If it is at the "F" position... and they are head and shoulders above the others in our book... you still take them. That's depth and quality of play. More rest for your starters as it provides more help for the bench. ANDDDD is a salary cap move that will provide 4 years of salary-controlled quality play.

on another note... as I've said... injuries are always a possibility for any player.... and mitigating the effects of a loss due to sheer depth is great. And it's shown in the playoff now ... how a season could go downhill with no one to step in and replace percentages of the production. The management also just has to be willing to make the necessary moves when the time is right.

[Skin]

What's the benefit for waiving him other than looking like an idiot if he thrives elsewhere?

Apparently only $7 million of his salary is guaranteed next season, so if you waive him you free up approximately $10 million in salary-cap space. If the front office believes they could use that extra $10 mil in free agency this summer to improve the team, then there would be a benefit to waiving him.

If the Magic waive Isaac and he miraculously becomes healthy and thrives on another team, that would be unfortunate. But no one could accuse the front office of not being patient. Quite the opposite, they never should have signed him to this extension to begin with. There was no evidence at the time that he could stay on the court, and now, more than 2 years later, there still isn't.

And who's to say that moving on from Isaac wouldn't have intangible effects in the locker room and front office? Do you think the other players don't know that JI is going into his third straight season as the highest-paid player on the team? Imagine an office where the highest-paid employee never showed up to work for 3 straight years. For every report, presentation, business call, he's not there and you're a man down. It's not his fault because he's always sick. But it's been 3 years -- why is management paying him so much more than the rest of the guys who grind it out every day?

For the front office, they would get to go into a season without wondering if JI will play, and making decisions based on the possibility that he will. If Welt really believes Isaac will play next year, how is that impacting his view of the draft, free agency and trades? If he's wrong -- again -- what did we miss out on? What could he have done with the roster spot and extra cap space?

If they have no use for the cap room and money is no object -- meaning, the extra $10 mil for zero production doesn't concern ownership from a bottom-line perspective -- then yes, they will probably keep him. But I'm surprised so many posters believe keeping him is a no-brainer, or that waiving him would be an "emotional" decision.

People ran out of patience with Markelle too. Those people chose the wrong opinion.

[Skybox]

What's the benefit for waiving him other than looking like an idiot if he thrives elsewhere?

Apparently only $7 million of his salary is guaranteed next season, so if you waive him you free up approximately $10 million in salary-cap space. If the front office believes they could use that extra $10 mil in free agency this summer to improve the team, then there would be a benefit to waiving him.

If the Magic waive Isaac and he miraculously becomes healthy and thrives on another team, that would be unfortunate. But no one could accuse the front office of not being patient. Quite the opposite, they never should have signed him to this extension to begin with. There was no evidence at the time that he could stay on the court, and now, more than 2 years later, there still isn't.

And who's to say that moving on from Isaac wouldn't have intangible effects in the locker room and front office? Do you think the other players don't know that JI is going into his third straight season as the highest-paid player on the team? Imagine an office where the highest-paid employee never showed up to work for 3 straight years. For every report, presentation, business call, he's not there and you're a man down. It's not his fault because he's always sick. But it's been 3 years -- why is management paying him so much more than the rest of the guys who grind it out every day?

For the front office, they would get to go into a season without wondering if JI will play, and making decisions based on the possibility that he will. If Welt really believes Isaac will play next year, how is that impacting his view of the draft, free agency and trades? If he's wrong -- again -- what did we miss out on? What could he have done with the roster spot and extra cap space?

If they have no use for the cap room and money is no object -- meaning, the extra $10 mil for zero production doesn't concern ownership from a bottom-line perspective -- then yes, they will probably keep him. But I'm surprised so many posters believe keeping him is a no-brainer, or that waiving him would be an "emotional" decision.

People ran out of patience with Markelle too. Those people chose the wrong opinion.

Actually, Markelle was a lot better when rehabbing…we could assume he could shoot back then.