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RichCollab wrote:Here is what I hope happens by the middle of the season but won’t. To get Black minutes.
Fultz/Black
Suggs/Cole/Harris
Franz/Jet/Houstan
Paolo/JI/Ingles/Okeke
WCJ/Goga/M. Wagner.
BetchaKnightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Depth chart based on salary and injury history
PG: Fultz | Black | Cole
SG: Harris | Suggs | Jett
SF: Franz | Ingles | Houstan
PF: Paolo | Isaac | Okeke
C: WCJ | Moritz | Goga
This ain't happening my guy.
eyriq wrote:Betcha
I think that they will try Cole more at SG because I believe Black will be a better PG.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Betcha
If he's on the roster at the start of the season, I can assure you with extreme confidence that Cole will not be a third stringer or out of the rotation.
I'll bet any amount of money you want on that in fact.
They might get stupid and try Cole at backup SG with Suggs starting and Harris out of the mix, but Cole won't be out of the mix.
You in Orlando? I'll wager a coffeeKnightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Betcha
If he's on the roster at the start of the season, I can assure you with extreme confidence that Cole will not be a third stringer or out of the rotation.
I'll bet any amount of money you want on that in fact.
They might get stupid and try Cole at backup SG with Suggs starting and Harris out of the mix, but Cole won't be out of the mix.
eyriq wrote:You in Orlando? I'll wager a coffee
Here's the logic I prefer in this discussion.Knightro wrote:The Magic have six guards.
Two of the six 100% will not play in a regular 10-man rotation.
We can probably safely assume Jett Howard is going to be one of the two out of the rotation early on since he's still a teenager and was perhaps a bit overdrafted.
So who will be the other?
It's easy to say Gary Harris should be the odd man out here, but he's also the only one of the remaining 5 guys who has ever reliably and consistently made threes. So it seems like he needs to be out there for spacing purposes alone.
On top of that...
If the goal is competitiveness, then it seems like a foolish move to take Cole Anthony out of his on the ball backup PG/6th man role that he did so well in last season.
eyriq wrote:Here's the logic I prefer in this discussion.
Who gets paid the most out of those 6?
Fultz, Harris, Suggs, Black, Jett, Cole
Who is the team invested in long-term?
Suggs, Black, Jett
Is coach Mose a win-now coach or a player development coach?
Player development coach
Who gets rotation mins?
Fultz, Harris, Suggs, Black
Coby White got a 3 year $33m deal, and Cole wasn't that much better than him last season. I would offer Cole around $15m per year on an extension.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Here's the logic I prefer in this discussion.
Who gets paid the most out of those 6?
Fultz, Harris, Suggs, Black, Jett, Cole
Who is the team invested in long-term?
Suggs, Black, Jett
Is coach Mose a win-now coach or a player development coach?
Player development coach
Who gets rotation mins?
Fultz, Harris, Suggs, Black
The salary thing isn't nearly the factor you think it is. They paid Ross a bunch of money the last two years and he was a non factor.
Factoring in what roles they were asked to play, Cole Anthony was the the best guard the Magic had next year.
They want to be competitive and make the playoffs/play-in tournament, but their best guard from last year ain't gonna play?
No way, no how.
AdamTheGreek wrote:Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Moritz, Goga
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Bol or Chuma
SF: Franz, Ingles, Jett
SG: Suggs, Gary, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, Black
Two-Way: Kevon Harris, 2nd spot, 3rd spot
The rookies have to prove themselves before you hand them any minutes.
basketballRob wrote:Coby White got a 3 year $33m deal, and Cole wasn't that much better than him last season. I would offer Cole around $15m per year on an extension.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Here's the logic I prefer in this discussion.
Who gets paid the most out of those 6?
Fultz, Harris, Suggs, Black, Jett, Cole
Who is the team invested in long-term?
Suggs, Black, Jett
Is coach Mose a win-now coach or a player development coach?
Player development coach
Who gets rotation mins?
Fultz, Harris, Suggs, Black
The salary thing isn't nearly the factor you think it is. They paid Ross a bunch of money the last two years and he was a non factor.
Factoring in what roles they were asked to play, Cole Anthony was the the best guard the Magic had next year.
They want to be competitive and make the playoffs/play-in tournament, but their best guard from last year ain't gonna play?
No way, no how.
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Black and Blue wrote:AdamTheGreek wrote:Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Moritz, Goga
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Bol or Chuma
SF: Franz, Ingles, Jett
SG: Suggs, Gary, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, Black
Two-Way: Kevon Harris, 2nd spot, 3rd spot
The rookies have to prove themselves before you hand them any minutes.
This depth chart makes sense to me. I could 100% see the Weltham/Hammond duo convincing an owner they aren’t making many moves to again use this year to evaluate. This is a roster of competitions up and down.
Will add that Jett is an option at SG should Suggs and Houstan stagnate (which is entirely possible).
If they play Black at SG a lot (unless miraculously it somewhere works incredibly well alongside Fultz or Cole) we can all be pretty furious. They need to develop him at PG.
AdamTheGreek wrote:Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Moritz, Goga
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Bol or Chuma
SF: Franz, Ingles, Jett
SG: Suggs, Gary, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, Black
Two-Way: Kevon Harris, 2nd spot, 3rd spot
The rookies have to prove themselves before you hand them any minutes.
89Magicfan wrote:AdamTheGreek wrote:Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Moritz, Goga
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Bol or Chuma
SF: Franz, Ingles, Jett
SG: Suggs, Gary, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, Black
Two-Way: Kevon Harris, 2nd spot, 3rd spot
The rookies have to prove themselves before you hand them any minutes.
How do they prove themselves with no PT?
We're talking about some of the most injury prone players in the league. The rookies will probably have to play.89Magicfan wrote:AdamTheGreek wrote:Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Moritz, Goga
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Bol or Chuma
SF: Franz, Ingles, Jett
SG: Suggs, Gary, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, Black
Two-Way: Kevon Harris, 2nd spot, 3rd spot
The rookies have to prove themselves before you hand them any minutes.
How do they prove themselves with no PT?
eyriq wrote:The problem with the depth chart analysis at this stage is that it's very subjective. Is Black better than Cole? Will Mosley value player development or win now? Does future value out weigh present value? Does the front office have a plan for the backcourt or is it up in the air? Do we trust the front office? Did we like the draft? Etc
I was trying to disconnect my ego because people aren't agreeing with me lolzRichCollab wrote:eyriq wrote:The problem with the depth chart analysis at this stage is that it's very subjective. Is Black better than Cole? Will Mosley value player development or win now? Does future value out weigh present value? Does the front office have a plan for the backcourt or is it up in the air? Do we trust the front office? Did we like the draft? Etc
LOL. So if it wasn’t subjective what would be the point or fun in discussing it in a form? Duh it’s subjective!