Position Battles: SG

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Desmond Bane is an interesting comparison for Jett. Bane was 2.5 years older when drafted, so it could take Jett the whole 4 years to get to Bane's level.

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Bane was a 2nd round pick and had zero expectations attached to him. He could play the slow game.

Jett doesn't have that luxury. By year 2, we need to know if he's a keeper or if we should salvage value by trading him. This is the point that Suggs is at now. I think that we should trade him now. If I were GM, I would've drafted Suggs for sure. We gave him a good chance. But Weltman has to know by now that he is not a star. We need to trade him or we risk losing out on his trade value.

Weltman showed poor judgement in keeping Bamba too long and got nothing for him. Same with Fournier, AG, and T-Ross. This is probably the fate of Suggs and Harris too. Maybe even Cole.

If Jalen Suggs is a 38% 3pt shooter, scoring machine, and lockdown defender at the end of the year, I'll eat my shorts and be the first to admit wrong. But imo, he's blocking Jett. He doesn't have handle, shooting touch, or natural basketball feel for the game that Jett has. He's just an athlete trying to find it. If the Magic want to progress, they need to put Jett in the starting line up and see if he can deliver. Suggs is a good backup, but some teams still might think he has starting potential. We should tap into that because by the end of the season his value will be realized of that as a bench specialist. I still think Tony Allen is a good comp for him.

You have gone completely insane.

Yeah, let’s not see how Suggs pans out on a rookie deal but you are fine with handing Fultz $25m+ to pretend to be a starting caliber point guard for the foreseeable future.

[Residual-Heat]

Desmond Bane is an interesting comparison for Jett. Bane was 2.5 years older when drafted, so it could take Jett the whole 4 years to get to Bane's level.

Watch on YouTube

Bane was a 2nd round pick and had zero expectations attached to him. He could play the slow game.

Jett doesn't have that luxury. By year 2, we need to know if he's a keeper or if we should salvage value by trading him. This is the point that Suggs is at now. I think that we should trade him now. If I were GM, I would've drafted Suggs for sure. We gave him a good chance. But Weltman has to know by now that he is not a star. We need to trade him or we risk losing out on his trade value.

Weltman showed poor judgement in keeping Bamba too long and got nothing for him. Same with Fournier, AG, and T-Ross. This is probably the fate of Suggs and Harris too. Maybe even Cole.

If Jalen Suggs is a 38% 3pt shooter, scoring machine, and lockdown defender at the end of the year, I'll eat my shorts and be the first to admit wrong. But imo, he's blocking Jett. He doesn't have handle, shooting touch, or natural basketball feel for the game that Jett has. He's just an athlete trying to find it. If the Magic want to progress, they need to put Jett in the starting line up and see if he can deliver. Suggs is a good backup, but some teams still might think he has starting potential. We should tap into that because by the end of the season his value will be realized of that as a bench specialist. I still think Tony Allen is a good comp for him.

And why exactly are you placing such high bar to reach? 38% shooter? That would be difficult even for Franz.

Tony Allen? He has already made almost as many threes in 100 games as Allen made in 800 games.

Lets see what Jett can do, guy couldnt guard anyone in college, and while he performed better than I expected on that end in SL.. We will need to see how much of a liability he is on that end in the NBA.

What exactly are you trading him for? What return would you expect?

[The-Stallion70]

Indeed it is a very low bar which is why I voted for Jett. Markelle is probably our third best player but provides basically no spacing from the pg spot, which is unusual. Jett can really shoot it and I think we need the best possible shooter there.

Wouldn't that just be Gary Harris?

The guy literally is coming off a season where he made 43% of his threes. It's pretty unreasonable to expect Howard to be better than that, right?

Yea but it was on a really low volume and I believe his contract is a trade chip so I'm not sure if he'll be on the team after the deadline. After that point, Howard may be the best shooter on the team.

The Magic are starved for shooting and spacing, I think we may see it difficult to keep Howard off the court for this reason.

[JoshuaPotter]

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Desmond Bane is an interesting comparison for Jett. Bane was 2.5 years older when drafted, so it could take Jett the whole 4 years to get to Bane's level.

Watch on YouTube

Bane was a 2nd round pick and had zero expectations attached to him. He could play the slow game.

Jett doesn't have that luxury. By year 2, we need to know if he's a keeper or if we should salvage value by trading him. This is the point that Suggs is at now. I think that we should trade him now. If I were GM, I would've drafted Suggs for sure. We gave him a good chance. But Weltman has to know by now that he is not a star. We need to trade him or we risk losing out on his trade value.

Weltman showed poor judgement in keeping Bamba too long and got nothing for him. Same with Fournier, AG, and T-Ross. This is probably the fate of Suggs and Harris too. Maybe even Cole.

If Jalen Suggs is a 38% 3pt shooter, scoring machine, and lockdown defender at the end of the year, I'll eat my shorts and be the first to admit wrong. But imo, he's blocking Jett. He doesn't have handle, shooting touch, or natural basketball feel for the game that Jett has. He's just an athlete trying to find it. If the Magic want to progress, they need to put Jett in the starting line up and see if he can deliver. Suggs is a good backup, but some teams still might think he has starting potential. We should tap into that because by the end of the season his value will be realized of that as a bench specialist. I still think Tony Allen is a good comp for him.

You have gone completely insane.

Yeah, let’s not see how Suggs pans out on a rookie deal but you are fine with handing Fultz $25m+ to pretend to be a starting caliber point guard for the foreseeable future.

It is very, very rare when I emotionally allow such blatant name calling.

Yet, if I am direct. This is probably the best way of going about it.

Howard will have a 3pt shot that is respected from a day 1. He should find playing time eventually one would think if his defense is anywhere near pedestrian.

There isn't a universe I have found yet where we have enough evidence to suggest

-Howard is better then Suggs
-Howard is a better option then Harris
-Howard starting over both in his rookie year.

Edit : The idea of saying move over Suggs + Harris whom both I believe belong in the NBA over unproven Howard is in fact crazy talk.

[fendilim]

Desmond Bane is an interesting comparison for Jett. Bane was 2.5 years older when drafted, so it could take Jett the whole 4 years to get to Bane's level.

Watch on YouTube

Bane was a 2nd round pick and had zero expectations attached to him. He could play the slow game.

Jett doesn't have that luxury. By year 2, we need to know if he's a keeper or if we should salvage value by trading him. This is the point that Suggs is at now. I think that we should trade him now. If I were GM, I would've drafted Suggs for sure. We gave him a good chance. But Weltman has to know by now that he is not a star. We need to trade him or we risk losing out on his trade value.

This is the problem with Suggs whole scenario though.

I think a lot of people projected him to be a allstar/superstar because of the position he was picked. But in reality, he is more of a culture setter. He is more of Jrue Holiday than Gary Payton.

[basketballRob]

Without improving anymore, Suggs is currently as good as Dillon Brooks and Smart. They both make $20m per year.

A healthy Suggs shooting 38% from 3 is probably an all-star or as good as BIlliups and Jrue, which is around a max player.

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[OrlChamps2030]

Desmond Bane is an interesting comparison for Jett. Bane was 2.5 years older when drafted, so it could take Jett the whole 4 years to get to Bane's level.

Watch on YouTube

Bane was a 2nd round pick and had zero expectations attached to him. He could play the slow game.

Jett doesn't have that luxury. By year 2, we need to know if he's a keeper or if we should salvage value by trading him. This is the point that Suggs is at now. I think that we should trade him now. If I were GM, I would've drafted Suggs for sure. We gave him a good chance. But Weltman has to know by now that he is not a star. We need to trade him or we risk losing out on his trade value.

This is the problem with Suggs whole scenario though.

I think a lot of people projected him to be a allstar/superstar because of the position he was picked. But in reality, he is more of a culture setter. He is more of Jrue Holiday than Gary Payton.

Of course he was drafted to be a star. He's just now a "culture setter" because he hasn't lived up to those all-star expectations of a #5 pick. You can even find undrafted culture setters.

Jrue Holiday was always a better shooter and better ball handler/PG than Suggs. He was never just a "culture setter". Smart is a better comparison for Suggs.

[tiderulz]

Without improving anymore, Suggs is currently as good as Dillon Brooks and Smart. They both make $20m per year.

A healthy Suggs shooting 38% from 3 is probably an all-star or as good as BIlliups and Jrue, which is around a max player.

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if Suggs cant improve his 3 pt shot in a big way, there are worse players to be than Smart. but Smart has a 6'9 wingspan enabling him to guard 1-4 (though not full time vs 4's). Jalen is around 6'5 wing span. And Brooks is bigger and a better shooter.

[basketballRob]

Without improving anymore, Suggs is currently as good as Dillon Brooks and Smart. They both make $20m per year.

A healthy Suggs shooting 38% from 3 is probably an all-star or as good as BIlliups and Jrue, which is around a max player.

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if Suggs cant improve his 3 pt shot in a big way, there are worse players to be than Smart. but Smart has a 6'9 wingspan enabling him to guard 1-4 (though not full time vs 4's). Jalen is around 6'5 wing span. And Brooks is bigger and a better shooter.

Those are still probably the closest comparisons to Suggs. Smart might be able to guard a 4 better, but Suggs can guard a PG better. Brooks was 22 when he came into the league, but his FT percentage was close to what Suggs shoots. Brooks is a career 34% 3-pt shooter, and Suggs shot 33% as a 21 year old. Brooks has a career FG% of 416, and Suggs was 419 last season. I think Suggs will probably pass Brooks.

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[Audi]

I'd sacrifice being 6th in the league in perimeter defense if it meant our lead point guard wasn't "getting comfortable taking outside shots" in year 7.

Perimeter shooting at the expense of defense? Are you officially jumping aboard the Cole-train?

[Skin]

Desmond Bane is an interesting comparison for Jett. Bane was 2.5 years older when drafted, so it could take Jett the whole 4 years to get to Bane's level.

Watch on YouTube

Bane was a 2nd round pick and had zero expectations attached to him. He could play the slow game.

Jett doesn't have that luxury. By year 2, we need to know if he's a keeper or if we should salvage value by trading him. This is the point that Suggs is at now. I think that we should trade him now. If I were GM, I would've drafted Suggs for sure. We gave him a good chance. But Weltman has to know by now that he is not a star. We need to trade him or we risk losing out on his trade value.

Weltman showed poor judgement in keeping Bamba too long and got nothing for him. Same with Fournier, AG, and T-Ross. This is probably the fate of Suggs and Harris too. Maybe even Cole.

If Jalen Suggs is a 38% 3pt shooter, scoring machine, and lockdown defender at the end of the year, I'll eat my shorts and be the first to admit wrong. But imo, he's blocking Jett. He doesn't have handle, shooting touch, or natural basketball feel for the game that Jett has. He's just an athlete trying to find it. If the Magic want to progress, they need to put Jett in the starting line up and see if he can deliver. Suggs is a good backup, but some teams still might think he has starting potential. We should tap into that because by the end of the season his value will be realized of that as a bench specialist. I still think Tony Allen is a good comp for him.

You have gone completely insane.

Yeah, let’s not see how Suggs pans out on a rookie deal but you are fine with handing Fultz $25m+ to pretend to be a starting caliber point guard for the foreseeable future.

I won't argue with that. Being a fan of the Magic can drive anyone insane!

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVED that moment in time when the Raptors passed on Suggs and he fell into our laps!!! It was a joyous triumphant moment! THEN came the time to see him play against NBA talent and he has been nothing but a disappointment sprinkled in with a handful of games worth getting excited for. Zero consistency. But that's not even the worrisome part. The worrisome part is his lack of ability. Athleticism doesn't equal ability. Howard on the other hand has zilch in terms of athleticism. On the other hand, he can get where he wants to on the floor because of his ability to dribble the ball with confidence and use his body correctly. Shooting wise, there is no comparison to argue about. Howard is so much more advanced in his consistent form, ability to create space to get his own shot off, and his confidence when he takes his shot. Suggs launches prayers full of hope. He doesn't create spacing for himself. He has to have wide open looks. It's frustrating to watch such a low BBIQ player. A fancy pass here and there doesn't not make someone a smart player.

Yeah, I know it's early to write off Suggs. The most hopeful thought that has cheered me up about him is the comparison someone made the other day that maybe he's like Oladipo. Dipo had similar flaws with his handle and finishing ability... while at the same time, providing good defense, some passing, similar size/athleticism, and being questioned as a better PG or SG while he was here.

As a big fan of Dipo while he was here, that made me think Suggs deserves more time. Maybe Howard is the next Fournier...and I'm cheering for the wrong dude. LMAO.

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I'd sacrifice being 6th in the league in perimeter defense if it meant our lead point guard wasn't "getting comfortable taking outside shots" in year 7.

Perimeter shooting at the expense of defense? Are you officially jumping all aboard the Cole-train?

Cole/Suggs lineups were more balanced and appeared to have better efficiency than Fultz/Harris.

I wouldn't advocate for Cole to be the starter, but I would certainly take a hard look at Black getting a lot of minutes instead of paying someone a huge deal to keep 3 point guards on the roster..

[Audi]

Bane was a 2nd round pick and had zero expectations attached to him. He could play the slow game.

Jett doesn't have that luxury. By year 2, we need to know if he's a keeper or if we should salvage value by trading him. This is the point that Suggs is at now. I think that we should trade him now. If I were GM, I would've drafted Suggs for sure. We gave him a good chance. But Weltman has to know by now that he is not a star. We need to trade him or we risk losing out on his trade value.

Weltman showed poor judgement in keeping Bamba too long and got nothing for him. Same with Fournier, AG, and T-Ross. This is probably the fate of Suggs and Harris too. Maybe even Cole.

If Jalen Suggs is a 38% 3pt shooter, scoring machine, and lockdown defender at the end of the year, I'll eat my shorts and be the first to admit wrong. But imo, he's blocking Jett. He doesn't have handle, shooting touch, or natural basketball feel for the game that Jett has. He's just an athlete trying to find it. If the Magic want to progress, they need to put Jett in the starting line up and see if he can deliver. Suggs is a good backup, but some teams still might think he has starting potential. We should tap into that because by the end of the season his value will be realized of that as a bench specialist. I still think Tony Allen is a good comp for him.

You have gone completely insane.

Yeah, let’s not see how Suggs pans out on a rookie deal but you are fine with handing Fultz $25m+ to pretend to be a starting caliber point guard for the foreseeable future.

I won't argue with that. Being a fan of the Magic can drive anyone insane!

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVED that moment in time when the Raptors passed on Suggs and he fell into our laps!!! It was a joyous triumphant moment! THEN came the time to see him play against NBA talent and he has been nothing but a disappointment sprinkled in with a handful of games worth getting excited for. Zero consistency. But that's not even the worrisome part. The worrisome part is his lack of ability. Athleticism doesn't equal ability. Howard on the other hand has zilch in terms of athleticism. On the other hand, he can get where he wants to on the floor because of his ability to dribble the ball with confidence and use his body correctly. Shooting wise, there is no comparison to argue about. Howard is so much more advanced in his consistent form, ability to create space to get his own shot off, and his confidence when he takes his shot. Suggs launches prayers full of hope. He doesn't create spacing for himself. He has to have wide open looks. It's frustrating to watch such a low BBIQ player. A fancy pass here and there doesn't not make someone a smart player.

Yeah, I know it's early to write off Suggs. The most hopeful thought that has cheered me up about him is the comparison someone made the other day that maybe he's like Oladipo. Dipo had similar flaws with his handle and finishing ability... while at the same time, providing good defense, some passing, similar size/athleticism, and being questioned as a better PG or SG while he was here.

As a big fan of Dipo while he was here, that made me think Suggs deserves more time. Maybe Howard is the next Fournier...and I'm cheering for the wrong dude. LMAO.

...you can cheer for both, you know!

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Bane was a 2nd round pick and had zero expectations attached to him. He could play the slow game.

Jett doesn't have that luxury. By year 2, we need to know if he's a keeper or if we should salvage value by trading him. This is the point that Suggs is at now. I think that we should trade him now. If I were GM, I would've drafted Suggs for sure. We gave him a good chance. But Weltman has to know by now that he is not a star. We need to trade him or we risk losing out on his trade value.

Weltman showed poor judgement in keeping Bamba too long and got nothing for him. Same with Fournier, AG, and T-Ross. This is probably the fate of Suggs and Harris too. Maybe even Cole.

If Jalen Suggs is a 38% 3pt shooter, scoring machine, and lockdown defender at the end of the year, I'll eat my shorts and be the first to admit wrong. But imo, he's blocking Jett. He doesn't have handle, shooting touch, or natural basketball feel for the game that Jett has. He's just an athlete trying to find it. If the Magic want to progress, they need to put Jett in the starting line up and see if he can deliver. Suggs is a good backup, but some teams still might think he has starting potential. We should tap into that because by the end of the season his value will be realized of that as a bench specialist. I still think Tony Allen is a good comp for him.

You have gone completely insane.

Yeah, let’s not see how Suggs pans out on a rookie deal but you are fine with handing Fultz $25m+ to pretend to be a starting caliber point guard for the foreseeable future.

I won't argue with that. Being a fan of the Magic can drive anyone insane!

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVED that moment in time when the Raptors passed on Suggs and he fell into our laps!!! It was a joyous triumphant moment! THEN came the time to see him play against NBA talent and he has been nothing but a disappointment sprinkled in with a handful of games worth getting excited for. Zero consistency. But that's not even the worrisome part. The worrisome part is his lack of ability. Athleticism doesn't equal ability. Howard on the other hand has zilch in terms of athleticism. On the other hand, he can get where he wants to on the floor because of his ability to dribble the ball with confidence and use his body correctly. Shooting wise, there is no comparison to argue about. Howard is so much more advanced in his consistent form, ability to create space to get his own shot off, and his confidence when he takes his shot. Suggs launches prayers full of hope. He doesn't create spacing for himself. He has to have wide open looks. It's frustrating to watch such a low BBIQ player. A fancy pass here and there doesn't not make someone a smart player.

Yeah, I know it's early to write off Suggs. The most hopeful thought that has cheered me up about him is the comparison someone made the other day that maybe he's like Oladipo. Dipo had similar flaws with his handle and finishing ability... while at the same time, providing good defense, some passing, similar size/athleticism, and being questioned as a better PG or SG while he was here.

As a big fan of Dipo while he was here, that made me think Suggs deserves more time. Maybe Howard is the next Fournier...and I'm cheering for the wrong dude. LMAO.

I would only consider Suggs a "disappointment" if he was regressing offensively and was well past his rookie extension.

I'm not sure how we can make proclamations on Howard yet and hold Suggs to this higher standard because he isn't Jalen Green, and for the record I would rather have Suggs than Green. Spicy take but I don't like turnstile defenders that put up empty stats and play me-ball 80% of the time.

You can call Suggs a lot of things but "low BBIQ" is not one of them. I think just about everyone that has evaluated him has said otherwise. I'm not going to convince people of the merits a player like Suggs has on the floor. I shouldn't have to and its not my job. I watch the games and can make pretty clear observations. I'd say a guy that knowingly has decided not to shoot the basketball during games out of "comfort" is a low IQ player, then again what do I know. Suggs improving his shooting numbers, despite a terrible rookie season, is what I want to see rather than him forgoing that aspect of his game altogether.

The point in all of this is that we have yet to see Howard play a minute of professional basketball. I've been screaming forever that contracts matter and you can't just continually hand out these deals to mediocre players because you like them personally. Thats not the case whatsoever with Suggs. He's a glaring net positive on the court and isn't costing Orlando huge amounts of cap-space. Orlando continually lacks these tough players on defense and now we want to just move him for reasons... He isn't buried on the bench either, so why? Gary Harris isn't exponentially better than him.

Getting rid of Suggs now because he doesn't fit with your favorite flawed player isn't a good take. Thats a Chauncy Billups situation all over again.

[Skin]

You have gone completely insane.

Yeah, let’s not see how Suggs pans out on a rookie deal but you are fine with handing Fultz $25m+ to pretend to be a starting caliber point guard for the foreseeable future.

I won't argue with that. Being a fan of the Magic can drive anyone insane!

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVED that moment in time when the Raptors passed on Suggs and he fell into our laps!!! It was a joyous triumphant moment! THEN came the time to see him play against NBA talent and he has been nothing but a disappointment sprinkled in with a handful of games worth getting excited for. Zero consistency. But that's not even the worrisome part. The worrisome part is his lack of ability. Athleticism doesn't equal ability. Howard on the other hand has zilch in terms of athleticism. On the other hand, he can get where he wants to on the floor because of his ability to dribble the ball with confidence and use his body correctly. Shooting wise, there is no comparison to argue about. Howard is so much more advanced in his consistent form, ability to create space to get his own shot off, and his confidence when he takes his shot. Suggs launches prayers full of hope. He doesn't create spacing for himself. He has to have wide open looks. It's frustrating to watch such a low BBIQ player. A fancy pass here and there doesn't not make someone a smart player.

Yeah, I know it's early to write off Suggs. The most hopeful thought that has cheered me up about him is the comparison someone made the other day that maybe he's like Oladipo. Dipo had similar flaws with his handle and finishing ability... while at the same time, providing good defense, some passing, similar size/athleticism, and being questioned as a better PG or SG while he was here.

As a big fan of Dipo while he was here, that made me think Suggs deserves more time. Maybe Howard is the next Fournier...and I'm cheering for the wrong dude. LMAO.

...you can cheer for both, you know!

Odds are both won't pan out.

[basketballRob]

We've had luck with players named Howard in the past.

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[Residual-Heat]

Without improving anymore, Suggs is currently as good as Dillon Brooks and Smart. They both make $20m per year.

A healthy Suggs shooting 38% from 3 is probably an all-star or as good as BIlliups and Jrue, which is around a max player.

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if Suggs cant improve his 3 pt shot in a big way, there are worse players to be than Smart. but Smart has a 6'9 wingspan enabling him to guard 1-4 (though not full time vs 4's). Jalen is around 6'5 wing span. And Brooks is bigger and a better shooter.

But Suggs is more athletic than Smart and IMO projects to be better offensively. Smart never had the burst or explosiveness to attack the rim like Suggs. Now Suggs still needs to get smarter about attacking, and he did this season as opposed to last season's mess, but he has the tools to be a very good penetrator.

[Skin]

You have gone completely insane.

Yeah, let’s not see how Suggs pans out on a rookie deal but you are fine with handing Fultz $25m+ to pretend to be a starting caliber point guard for the foreseeable future.

I won't argue with that. Being a fan of the Magic can drive anyone insane!

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVED that moment in time when the Raptors passed on Suggs and he fell into our laps!!! It was a joyous triumphant moment! THEN came the time to see him play against NBA talent and he has been nothing but a disappointment sprinkled in with a handful of games worth getting excited for. Zero consistency. But that's not even the worrisome part. The worrisome part is his lack of ability. Athleticism doesn't equal ability. Howard on the other hand has zilch in terms of athleticism. On the other hand, he can get where he wants to on the floor because of his ability to dribble the ball with confidence and use his body correctly. Shooting wise, there is no comparison to argue about. Howard is so much more advanced in his consistent form, ability to create space to get his own shot off, and his confidence when he takes his shot. Suggs launches prayers full of hope. He doesn't create spacing for himself. He has to have wide open looks. It's frustrating to watch such a low BBIQ player. A fancy pass here and there doesn't not make someone a smart player.

Yeah, I know it's early to write off Suggs. The most hopeful thought that has cheered me up about him is the comparison someone made the other day that maybe he's like Oladipo. Dipo had similar flaws with his handle and finishing ability... while at the same time, providing good defense, some passing, similar size/athleticism, and being questioned as a better PG or SG while he was here.

As a big fan of Dipo while he was here, that made me think Suggs deserves more time. Maybe Howard is the next Fournier...and I'm cheering for the wrong dude. LMAO.

I would only consider Suggs a "disappointment" if he was regressing offensively and was well past his rookie extension.

I'm not sure how we can make proclamations on Howard yet and hold Suggs to this higher standard because he isn't Jalen Green, and for the record I would rather have Suggs than Green. Spicy take but I don't like turnstile defenders that put up empty stats and play me-ball 80% of the time.

You can call Suggs a lot of things but "low BBIQ" is not one of them. I think just about everyone that has evaluated him has said otherwise. I'm not going to convince people of the merits a player like Suggs has on the floor. I shouldn't have to and its not my job. I watch the games and can make pretty clear observations. I'd say a guy that knowingly has decided not to shoot the basketball during games out of "comfort" is a low IQ player, then again what do I know. Suggs improving his shooting numbers, despite a terrible rookie season, is what I want to see rather than him forgoing that aspect of his game altogether.

The point in all of this is that we have yet to see Howard play a minute of professional basketball. I've been screaming forever that contracts matter and you can't just continually hand out these deals to mediocre players because you like them personally. Thats not the case whatsoever with Suggs. He's a glaring net positive on the court and isn't costing Orlando huge amounts of cap-space. Orlando continually lacks these tough players on defense and now we want to just move him for reasons... He isn't buried on the bench either, so why? Gary Harris isn't exponentially better than him.

Getting rid of Suggs now because he doesn't fit with your favorite flawed player isn't a good take. Thats a Chauncy Billups situation all over again.

"Getting rid of Suggs" sounds like I want nothing back in return. I'm saying, let's take advantage of his value while he has some.

If someone wants to say Suggs has little to no value in trade talk then that's only justifying the disappointment in him further.

Fultz has one flaw, but the rest of his game screams Star.

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I won't argue with that. Being a fan of the Magic can drive anyone insane!

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVED that moment in time when the Raptors passed on Suggs and he fell into our laps!!! It was a joyous triumphant moment! THEN came the time to see him play against NBA talent and he has been nothing but a disappointment sprinkled in with a handful of games worth getting excited for. Zero consistency. But that's not even the worrisome part. The worrisome part is his lack of ability. Athleticism doesn't equal ability. Howard on the other hand has zilch in terms of athleticism. On the other hand, he can get where he wants to on the floor because of his ability to dribble the ball with confidence and use his body correctly. Shooting wise, there is no comparison to argue about. Howard is so much more advanced in his consistent form, ability to create space to get his own shot off, and his confidence when he takes his shot. Suggs launches prayers full of hope. He doesn't create spacing for himself. He has to have wide open looks. It's frustrating to watch such a low BBIQ player. A fancy pass here and there doesn't not make someone a smart player.

Yeah, I know it's early to write off Suggs. The most hopeful thought that has cheered me up about him is the comparison someone made the other day that maybe he's like Oladipo. Dipo had similar flaws with his handle and finishing ability... while at the same time, providing good defense, some passing, similar size/athleticism, and being questioned as a better PG or SG while he was here.

As a big fan of Dipo while he was here, that made me think Suggs deserves more time. Maybe Howard is the next Fournier...and I'm cheering for the wrong dude. LMAO.

I would only consider Suggs a "disappointment" if he was regressing offensively and was well past his rookie extension.

I'm not sure how we can make proclamations on Howard yet and hold Suggs to this higher standard because he isn't Jalen Green, and for the record I would rather have Suggs than Green. Spicy take but I don't like turnstile defenders that put up empty stats and play me-ball 80% of the time.

You can call Suggs a lot of things but "low BBIQ" is not one of them. I think just about everyone that has evaluated him has said otherwise. I'm not going to convince people of the merits a player like Suggs has on the floor. I shouldn't have to and its not my job. I watch the games and can make pretty clear observations. I'd say a guy that knowingly has decided not to shoot the basketball during games out of "comfort" is a low IQ player, then again what do I know. Suggs improving his shooting numbers, despite a terrible rookie season, is what I want to see rather than him forgoing that aspect of his game altogether.

The point in all of this is that we have yet to see Howard play a minute of professional basketball. I've been screaming forever that contracts matter and you can't just continually hand out these deals to mediocre players because you like them personally. Thats not the case whatsoever with Suggs. He's a glaring net positive on the court and isn't costing Orlando huge amounts of cap-space. Orlando continually lacks these tough players on defense and now we want to just move him for reasons... He isn't buried on the bench either, so why? Gary Harris isn't exponentially better than him.

Getting rid of Suggs now because he doesn't fit with your favorite flawed player isn't a good take. Thats a Chauncy Billups situation all over again.

"Getting rid of Suggs" sounds like I want nothing back in return. I'm saying, let's take advantage of his value while he has some.

If someone wants to say Suggs has little to no value in trade talk then that's only justifying the disappointment in him further.

Fultz has one flaw, but the rest of his game screams Star.

What are you wanting in return for a top defensive guard on a rookie contract? Keep in mind his contract is 2/$7m…

Which flaw about Fultz are you referring to?

His inability to get to the line?
His admitted inability to stretch the floor?
His low assist numbers in anything involved in running a set half court offense?
His availability due to being injured every season?
His looming large contract despite having limited sample size?

Which of those flaws are you referring to just so I know we are on the same page that Fultz is a “star” otherwise?

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I would only consider Suggs a "disappointment" if he was regressing offensively and was well past his rookie extension.

I'm not sure how we can make proclamations on Howard yet and hold Suggs to this higher standard because he isn't Jalen Green, and for the record I would rather have Suggs than Green. Spicy take but I don't like turnstile defenders that put up empty stats and play me-ball 80% of the time.

You can call Suggs a lot of things but "low BBIQ" is not one of them. I think just about everyone that has evaluated him has said otherwise. I'm not going to convince people of the merits a player like Suggs has on the floor. I shouldn't have to and its not my job. I watch the games and can make pretty clear observations. I'd say a guy that knowingly has decided not to shoot the basketball during games out of "comfort" is a low IQ player, then again what do I know. Suggs improving his shooting numbers, despite a terrible rookie season, is what I want to see rather than him forgoing that aspect of his game altogether.

The point in all of this is that we have yet to see Howard play a minute of professional basketball. I've been screaming forever that contracts matter and you can't just continually hand out these deals to mediocre players because you like them personally. Thats not the case whatsoever with Suggs. He's a glaring net positive on the court and isn't costing Orlando huge amounts of cap-space. Orlando continually lacks these tough players on defense and now we want to just move him for reasons... He isn't buried on the bench either, so why? Gary Harris isn't exponentially better than him.

Getting rid of Suggs now because he doesn't fit with your favorite flawed player isn't a good take. Thats a Chauncy Billups situation all over again.

"Getting rid of Suggs" sounds like I want nothing back in return. I'm saying, let's take advantage of his value while he has some.

If someone wants to say Suggs has little to no value in trade talk then that's only justifying the disappointment in him further.

Fultz has one flaw, but the rest of his game screams Star.

What are you wanting in return for a top defensive guard on a rookie contract? Keep in mind his contract is 2/$7m…

Which flaw about Fultz are you referring to?

His inability to get to the line?
His admitted inability to stretch the floor?
His low assist numbers in anything involved in running a set half court offense?
His availability due to being injured every season?
His looming large contract despite having limited sample size?

Which of those flaws are you referring to just so I know we are on the same page that Fultz is a “star” otherwise?

Inability to get to the line is a fake news. He doesn't get to the line because he makes his shots. #1 Guard in the league in FG%. He attacks the rim hard and goes against anyone, including Lebron. Let's not pretend he's shy of contact and is a softy. It's more of a referee issue than an individual flaw. Once his star power rises, he'll get more calls.

Low assist numbers is fake news. This is also a result of Franz, Paolo, and others taking on more of a playmaking role in Mosely's scheme. Fultz is the orchestrator of the best passes since Penny. I love his vision and so do his teammates who support his ways.

Being injured and being scared of his contract is fake news. When was the last bad contract that you saw Weltman give out? If he's hurt for a long time again, then being injury prone will affect his next contract. He'll get what he deserves, maybe less due to the presence of Black, Anthony, and Suggs on the roster and not having bargaining power.