I've seen enough, bench fultz start black

[D12VCMagic]

I'm talking about right now too. and considering all the factors listed above, I'd rather start AB than Fultz. We've know what Fultz brings to the table, time to start building for the future

Yeah, what Fultz brings to the table are career averages better than what Black did tonight. Sorry, I wanna make the playoffs this year. I’m tired of “building for the future.” If Black can put together a sample size that shows he’s our best chance to win now then I’m for it. I’m not convinced he’s ready to be the starting PG now after one game, especially when he didn’t do anything mind blowing in that game.

In the two game that Black has played it has shown that he can do what Fultz in all the years has been in Orlando plus more (which is shoot the three).

I really don't care about the playoffs, I would rather see this team grow. And if the organization feels the same. And if the magic do make the playoffs this year, they likely aren't going far anyway. I would rather give Black some burn. And if these losses and wins have shown us anything making the playoffs will not be dependent on someone like Fultz but how well Franz and especially Paolo play.

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

[Rainwater]

If you want to talk about Black taking the job next year, that’s a different discussion. I’m talking about RIGHT NOW. As of RIGHT NOW, I’m not ready to overreact to one decent game and give this kid the starting job. Markelle deserves the chance to turn things around after his first four games.

Fultz is likely gone next season, why keep playing him when it is pretty clear that Black is the future? There is really no purpose of playing Fultz unless it is to keep up his trade value.

We don’t know if Fultz is gone next year or not. Just because he’s a FA doesn’t mean a new deal can’t be made.

The purpose of playing Fultz is that he’s the better and more proven player right now and we are trying to win games. Black doesn’t have to be the starting PG to develop his game and improve for the future. Like I said, if he puts an actual sample size then we can talk.

Chances are slim he comes back, it would just be a waste to resign him. The guard positions are packed right now. They drafted their future PG in Black. They just signed his back up in Cole. And You have Suggs at the two. Harris backing him up. And Howard is still not getting time. Where would Fultz's get mins here. I really would be shocked if the magic resigned him.

And really don't know if the magic front office cares about winning, I think if they care more about growing the right way. If they really cared about winning the offseason would have gone differently.

[basketballRob]

Black and Paolo seemed to have already built chemistry on the court. I also like Goga always hanging around the basket because Paolo will get him easy buckets like he did for Mark Williams at Duke.

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[Rainwater]

Yeah, what Fultz brings to the table are career averages better than what Black did tonight. Sorry, I wanna make the playoffs this year. I’m tired of “building for the future.” If Black can put together a sample size that shows he’s our best chance to win now then I’m for it. I’m not convinced he’s ready to be the starting PG now after one game, especially when he didn’t do anything mind blowing in that game.

In the two game that Black has played it has shown that he can do what Fultz in all the years has been in Orlando plus more (which is shoot the three).

I really don't care about the playoffs, I would rather see this team grow. And if the organization feels the same. And if the magic do make the playoffs this year, they likely aren't going far anyway. I would rather give Black some burn. And if these losses and wins have shown us anything making the playoffs will not be dependent on someone like Fultz but how well Franz and especially Paolo play.

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance literally haven't hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz. From what we can see it's better that way.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

[D12VCMagic]

In the two game that Black has played it has shown that he can do what Fultz in all the years has been in Orlando plus more (which is shoot the three).

I really don't care about the playoffs, I would rather see this team grow. And if the organization feels the same. And if the magic do make the playoffs this year, they likely aren't going far anyway. I would rather give Black some burn. And if these losses and wins have shown us anything making the playoffs will not be dependent on someone like Fultz but how well Franz and especially Paolo play.

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance he couldn't even hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

Black was laying bricks like crazy in summer league and preseason and has been questionable at the FT line. He hasn’t literally taken a single jump shot that wasn’t wide open. Already claiming him to be the better shooter when he’s too scared to even take shots is honestly wild, and again all based on a laughably bad sample size of one freakin game.

Also, I don’t want Paolo and Franz to handle the offense running and playmaking duties on a night to night basis. It’s putting too much on them to expect it every single night. If the team doesn’t trust Black to run the offense, he shouldn’t be the starting PG until he’s ready, end of story.

[Rainwater]

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance he couldn't even hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

Black was laying bricks like crazy in summer league and preseason and has been questionable at the FT line. He hasn’t literally taken a single jump shot that wasn’t wide open. Already claiming him to be the better shooter when he’s too scared to even take shots is honestly wild, and again all based on a laughably bad sample size of one freakin game.

At least Black is a threat when open, Fultz can't even do that, lol. Fultz has literally not made a three in the few games he has played this season and when he does take them it's not pretty. I'm sorry, I will easily proclaim that Black is the better shooter on the small sample size given Fultz's track record and the fact Black at least made 2, lol. It's like you haven't watched Fultz to realize how bad of a shooter he really is from 3.

[Rainwater]

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance he couldn't even hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

Black was laying bricks like crazy in summer league and preseason and has been questionable at the FT line. He hasn’t literally taken a single jump shot that wasn’t wide open. Already claiming him to be the better shooter when he’s too scared to even take shots is honestly wild, and again all based on a laughably bad sample size of one freakin game.

Also, I don’t want Paolo and Franz to handle the offense running and playmaking duties on a night to night basis. It’s putting too much on them to expect it every single night. If the team doesn’t trust Black to run the offense, he shouldn’t be the starting PG until he’s ready, end of story.

Paolo and Franz are the Magic's best players, if they don't handle the ball now they will do it at some point in the future. And from the small sample size they play better that way. Paolo has been racking up assist.

And I feel like Black is ready now, let the guy play. He is going to start next year anyway.

[Rainwater]

Black should definitely get minutes, but it’s absolute madness how quickly people are jumping to conclusions this season. He still has work to do, despite the nice play the last two games none of his buckets were set up on his own. Either cutting to the basket or open catch and shoot 3s. He’s taking advantage and deserves credit, but he’s not ready to take the job full time yet. He has more developing to do on offense.

Markelle meanwhile is a proven floor general that is fantastic attacking the basket and finishing, his midrange was money last year too. He deserves more than 4 games to have his fate decided, especially since he was clearly bothered by something the last couple games before sitting out.

Magic fans need to take a deep breath and let us at least play 20 damn games before jumping to these insane conclusions.

Fultz has been in the league for 7 years now and has played for the Magic for 5 of them. I think we have seen enough to realize it is time for him to go.

[dsg2021]

Black and Paolo seemed to have already built chemistry on the court. I also like Goga always hanging around the basket because Paolo will get him easy buckets like he did for Mark Williams at Duke.

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I was wondering if Goga and Black's presence in the starting lineup gave Banchero and Franz more clarity for offensive roles and schemes. One is basically a traditional big, and the other is a 2nd game ever rookie.

[eyriq]

I enjoy watching Black more than watching Fultz.

[rusoopE]

Why are people comparing fultz to black? We are a rebuilding team and fultz ain't in the long-term plan. Black is the one who should be playing and earning experience. Don't care if he has rookie mistakes or if we are worse with him than with fultz. We ain't contenders. Get rid of Kelle please another team will give him a chance for sure. Don't care what we can get for him but it's an addition by extraction in the long run

[pepe1991]

Fultz time with Magic should be comming to his last days.

[CarraT]

Is there even a team who would trade for Fultz? I cant think of anyone who needs a mediocre PG who cant shoot to save his life. I thinks his trade value right now is completely based on his expiring contract, so appr. like zero.

[Rainwater]

Is there even a team who would trade for Fultz? I cant think of anyone who needs a mediocre PG who cant shoot to save his life. I thinks his trade value right now is completely based on his expiring contract, so appr. like zero.

Yeah, his value lies in his expiring contract. I don't see him as a starter but some may want him in a backup role.

[Knightro]

Is there even a team who would trade for Fultz? I cant think of anyone who needs a mediocre PG who cant shoot to save his life. I thinks his trade value right now is completely based on his expiring contract, so appr. like zero.

Fultz is not a scrub by any means. He just has very clear deficiencies that make him a challenging starter on a team trying to win.

But I think if you stuck him in the Cole Anthony spot. Aka the first guy off the bench and just let him dominate the ball looking to score and constantly pushing the ball in transition (what he did for the Magic in 21-22), he would absolutely thrive in that role.

I actually wouldn’t mind trading Cole and keeping Fultz for *that* role, I just don’t know how well that would work chemistry wise after he’s been the starter here for multiple seasons.

[CarraT]

Is there even a team who would trade for Fultz? I cant think of anyone who needs a mediocre PG who cant shoot to save his life. I thinks his trade value right now is completely based on his expiring contract, so appr. like zero.

Fultz is not a scrub by any means. He just has very clear deficiencies that make him a challenging starter on a team trying to win.

But I think if you stuck him in the Cole Anthony spot. Aka the first guy off the bench and just let him dominate the ball looking to score and constantly pushing the ball in transition (what he did for the Magic in 21-22), he would absolutely thrive in that role.

I actually wouldn’t mind trading Cole and keeping Fultz for *that* role, I just don’t know how well that would work chemistry wise after he’s been the starter here for multiple seasons.

Never said he’s a scrub and I don’t believe that. But still, I can’t think of any team trading for him and we get something meaningful in return. Some suggestions?

[fendilim]

Dude's stealing the playbook we've been saying for Fultz; to go to the shortest distance, corner 3 and make it at an average rate. For me, it's hard to dislike one and like the other between Fultz and Black, because I see way too many vague similarities. But for one being on a rookie scale and the other due up..

Doesnt matter still, cause Fultz simply refuses to shoot 3s.

Black is also lucky against the Lakers. No way he shoots this high of a clip.

They also play differently, Black doesnt need the ball to be effective. He makes the right reads and cut to the basket which fultz rarely does.

Why force Fultz to do something he doesn’t even do? That would make him a bad player.

[fendilim]

Is there even a team who would trade for Fultz? I cant think of anyone who needs a mediocre PG who cant shoot to save his life. I thinks his trade value right now is completely based on his expiring contract, so appr. like zero.

Fultz is not a scrub by any means. He just has very clear deficiencies that make him a challenging starter on a team trying to win.

But I think if you stuck him in the Cole Anthony spot. Aka the first guy off the bench and just let him dominate the ball looking to score and constantly pushing the ball in transition (what he did for the Magic in 21-22), he would absolutely thrive in that role.

I actually wouldn’t mind trading Cole and keeping Fultz for *that* role, I just don’t know how well that would work chemistry wise after he’s been the starter here for multiple seasons.

Never said he’s a scrub and I don’t believe that. But still, I can’t think of any team trading for him and we get something meaningful in return. Some suggestions?

yep, I agree with both. Have Markelle come off the bench.

Also, who would want Fultz? I mean does he even have value?

[fendilim]

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance he couldn't even hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

Black was laying bricks like crazy in summer league and preseason and has been questionable at the FT line. He hasn’t literally taken a single jump shot that wasn’t wide open. Already claiming him to be the better shooter when he’s too scared to even take shots is honestly wild, and again all based on a laughably bad sample size of one freakin game.

Also, I don’t want Paolo and Franz to handle the offense running and playmaking duties on a night to night basis. It’s putting too much on them to expect it every single night. If the team doesn’t trust Black to run the offense, he shouldn’t be the starting PG until he’s ready, end of story.

Why would you NOT want to put the ball on your team’s best offensive options?

[SloNick Russia]

Thanks God our FA actually knows how good Fultz is as a player and how valuable he is for the team. His hate on this board is just absurd.