Shams: Magic Sign C Wendell Carter Jr. to a 3-Year, $59M Extension

[RookieStar]

Suggs and KCP for Ja Morant, and then we'll have all of Mike Miller's clients. NY is CAA, LA is Klutch, and Orlando is Lift.

Morant
AB
Franz
Paolo
Goga

Wendell off the bench

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JA??? JaA???

Last season before his shenanigans it would take Paolo, Suggs and at least 3 FRP to even initiate a conversation.

Does JA have some videos about blowing coke on an underage hooker attending Diddys party i dont know about? That trade proposal makes it seem to have one out there.

[Def Swami]

Good deal.

[JF5]

Suggs and KCP for Ja Morant, and then we'll have all of Mike Miller's clients. NY is CAA, LA is Klutch, and Orlando is Lift.

Morant
AB
Franz
Paolo
Goga

Wendell off the bench

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JA??? JaA???

Last season before his shenanigans it would take Paolo, Suggs and at least 3 FRP to even initiate a conversation.

Does JA have some videos about blowing coke on an underage hooker attending Diddys party i dont know about? That trade proposal makes it seem to have one out there.

I can see a Ja deal... but Franz would definitely be the main trade option in that.

Plus, this lineup provides zero floor spacing anyway. I don't know how this would work. Suggs would DEFINITELY not be moved. Carter wouldn't be either given that these players actually space the floor.

I'd assume they'd go after a 3/D shooter at the 3 or start Tristan Da Silva if he develops into something more.

[eyriq]

Put me firmly in the "hate it" camp.

[eyriq]

1. Does this improve his trade value?
2. Was there an opportunity cost to wait?
3. Is he worth a max extension?
4. Is he our best center currently?

[jezzerinho]

This team hasn't been ready for that "all-in" deal yet. Not sure they are right now...this season will provide more clarity. Also, the right guy has to be available. I don't love WCJ as a player but he's fine as a 5th starer/rotational big man who provides some flexibility and fits with the core. Locking him up for his prime age seasons at a more than reasonable number seems 100% fine.

What does our cap number look like now, in the first year of Paolo's putative max deal, assuming everyone who has a deal past that point is still here?

Gotta be getting up there around/past the 2nd apron...

Not even close, no.

Right now they over $47M below the 2nd apron for next season. That doesn't factor in Suggs, but he's not going to come anywhere close to that.

They're $86M below the 2nd apron for 25-26. Even with Paolo's max extension and whatever Suggs gets, they'll come in under the 2nd apron. And if they desperately need breathing room they have a team option on Cole for 13.1M that they can easily decline.

Thx for that. I was aiming to.guess at what it would be with Suggs and Paolo under their 2nd deals. So add, what, about $68m to the number? Still under the apron then...

[Knightro]

Thx for that. I was aiming to.guess at what it would be with Suggs and Paolo under their 2nd deals. So add, what, about $68m to the number? Still under the apron then...

No real risk of the 2nd apron. By the time it *could* be a problem, KCP will be off the books.

And if they acquire someone making a lot of money, they'll have to send out plenty of salary in a deal anyway.

[yoyojw17]

nice deal but overall I kind of agree with what one dude on wiretap wrote...



Isaac $70M
Wagner $22M
Bitadze $25M
Carter $59M

Total this season = $56M out of a $140M cap = more than a max contract!

That's a lot to tie up on one position - especially when they small ball with Paolo there at times as well.



I tend to agree .... all these deals are good or very good if you separate them.... but overall we ve got a lot of money tied to BIGS and none of them is elite....like we still would welcome an upgrade on that position...
so woudnt it be better to pay 1-2 very good guys over paying 4 of them ok guys?

Isaac's gonna play a lot more PF than C this year IMO.

So it's really more like 32M in total on the center spot this year.

.... to have quality players at a position 3 lineups deep and with differing playing styles is a plus.

[RookieStar]

nice deal but overall I kind of agree with what one dude on wiretap wrote...



Isaac $70M
Wagner $22M
Bitadze $25M
Carter $59M

Total this season = $56M out of a $140M cap = more than a max contract!

That's a lot to tie up on one position - especially when they small ball with Paolo there at times as well.



I tend to agree .... all these deals are good or very good if you separate them.... but overall we ve got a lot of money tied to BIGS and none of them is elite....like we still would welcome an upgrade on that position...
so woudnt it be better to pay 1-2 very good guys over paying 4 of them ok guys?

Isaac's gonna play a lot more PF than C this year IMO.

So it's really more like 32M in total on the center spot this year.

.... to have quality players at a position 3 lineups deep and with differing playing styles is a plus.

Especially as how we saw the season shaped up and contending teams ended up "tanking" due to prolonged absences of their main players.

Its how I think we were able to snuck-in so high in the PO spot.

[tiderulz]

has to be a trade this year right? with Carter, Goga, Moe, Isaac. we have too many big men

[RookieStar]

has to be a trade this year right? with Carter, Goga, Moe, Isaac. we have too many big men

Wait until the inevitable injury bug to hit all NBA teams and see if we still have too many bigs.

[The Effect]

really dont get this move, especially after signing Mo\goga\ and isaac to new deals this year, figured it 100% meant wcjr was likely on his final deal with us

[VFX]

has to be a trade this year right? with Carter, Goga, Moe, Isaac. we have too many big men

Orlando hoards mid mismatching talent for years and never make trades on the margins. I'll believe it when I see it.

Carter is good to miss 20-30 games a season and Isaac probably will at some point too.

[JoshuaPotter]

has to be a trade this year right? with Carter, Goga, Moe, Isaac. we have too many big men

Orlando hoards mid mismatching talent for years and never make trades on the margins. I'll believe it when I see it.

Carter is good to miss 20-30 games a season and Isaac probably will at some point too.

If you factor in probable not possible injury history of these big we are understaffed and paying for broken people....

That being said. Isaac if you wanted to call him a "C" would be the best among them by far. If he wasn't so gosh darn injury prone life would like totally different.

[Redwood]

This is exactly the kind of move that teams hoping to remain mediocre make. He's a very average player, he won't kill you but he definitely will never be a difference maker. Often times I believe certain moves are made, or contracts offered, for no other reason than GM ego. Moving on from guys means it was probably a mistake to acquire them, so...lets just not move on from them.

If the first thing people say after a player is re-signed is "it's a tradable contract", that player shouldn't have been re-signed.

[drsd]

Coach's interview stated that Carter is starting to walk gain.

What happened? Any news on this injury?

[pepe1991]

Coach's interview stated that Carter is starting to walk gain.

What happened? Any news on this injury?

Read on Twitter

sprained ankle, landed on foot of other player in first preseason game

[drsd]

Coach's interview stated that Carter is starting to walk gain.

What happened? Any news on this injury?

Read on Twitter

sprained ankle, landed on foot of other player in first preseason game

Ta.

SO this is why Bitadze started then.

[VFX]

Gotta say now after reflecting on this extension I hate it more and more.

Carter was here before the core. He’s not ideal next to Paolo. He’s injury prone. Now he’s basically a 5th option on offense behind everyone else in the starting lineup. He’s an average player on an acceptable deal. That’s it. We also have his replacement already without needing another lateral move.

Sorry, but good organizations don’t continually re-sign average players that don’t move the needle because they happen to like them. I can’t really get past the idea that Orlando is paying 3 Centers plus Isaac while not having a starting point guard on the roster. Carter was the obvious choice to be moved and the blew it.

Saying “he’s on a good deal to be moved in a year or two” is such a bad cope argument. Is Orlando actually trying to build a team in the valuable development time of their core? If Carter isn’t part of that plan, then why re-sign him instead of fleshing out the rest of the roster? Metrics with Goga weren’t so vastly different that you could even make that argument otherwise.

[eyriq]

Gotta say now after reflecting on this extension I hate it more and more.

Carter was here before the core. He’s not ideal next to Paolo. He’s injury prone. And now he’s basically a 5th option on offense behind everyone else in the starting lineup. He’s an average player on an acceptable deal. That’s it. We also have his replacement already without needing another lateral move.

Sorry, but good organizations don’t continually re-sign average players that don’t move the needle because they happen to like them. I can’t really get past the idea that Orlando is paying 3 Centers plus Isaac while not having a starting point guard on the roster. Carter was the obvious choice to be moved and the blew it.

100% this. It's another "I lack a clear vision for this team", "holding pattern", type move.