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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#61 » by VFX » Wed Apr 30, 2025 6:44 pm

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#62 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 30, 2025 6:56 pm

Here's a boxscore where Simons got 30 while playing PG against Boston. White and Pritchard both got over 40.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202503050BOS.html

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Post#63 » by thelead » Wed Apr 30, 2025 6:58 pm

What was Paolo’s 3pt % as a spot up shooter this year/playoffs versus off the bounce?
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#64 » by Idiosyncratic » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:03 pm

Most basketball analysis probably would not have guys like Sexton, Simons, Poole, Monk etc. as playoff level starters.

So is the criteria here for someone better than what we have? or is it for a guy who is a legitimate proven difference maker who has consistently shown they positively impact winning? That would affect my answer. We probably settle for a year trial run from someone in the first category and if it works extend, if not look for a bigger move.

The question is if there is a bigger move that makes sense to make this offseason? I'm just not sure I see it out there. They definitely need to add a couple of pieces, but not sure they are going to be able to find the longterm fix this offseason. Kind of how I feel unfortunately.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#65 » by thelead » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:06 pm

basketballRob wrote:It looks like Hammond is back into the mix. This is the only Pic I could find. The 3 amigos.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#66 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:06 pm

basketballRob wrote:Here's a boxscore where Simons got 30 while playing PG against Boston. White and Pritchard both got over 40.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202503050BOS.html

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highlights for reference... since you're cherry picking box scores :lol:

Pritchard & White did a ton of work vs Scoot and both hit some absolutely stupid shots. Simons was actually matched up vs Brown a ton
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#67 » by Idiosyncratic » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:09 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Here's a boxscore where Simons got 30 while playing PG against Boston. White and Pritchard both got over 40.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202503050BOS.html

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highlights for reference... since you're cherry picking box scores :lol:

Pritchard & White did a ton of work vs Scoot and both hit some absolutely stupid shots. Simons was actually matched up vs Brown a ton

Simons had the 2nd highest BPM at 7.5


I mean box scores don't have to be cherry picked, he is one of the worst defenders in the league and also did not shoot it super efficiently this year (or last). We know what Simons is at this point, acquiring him would be hoping his efficiency ticks up in a complimentary role with a smarter shot diet and hoping we can blend him into our defense.

He is not a guarantee, he was not good overall this year, but for the right price could be worth a shot here as a fit. No sense acting like he is something he isn't. There is a reason Blazers fans want him gone, there is a reason if he is traded it won't be for much.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#68 » by RichCollab » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:15 pm

Idiosyncratic wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Here's a boxscore where Simons got 30 while playing PG against Boston. White and Pritchard both got over 40.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202503050BOS.html

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highlights for reference... since you're cherry picking box scores :lol:

Pritchard & White did a ton of work vs Scoot and both hit some absolutely stupid shots. Simons was actually matched up vs Brown a ton

Simons had the 2nd highest BPM at 7.5


I mean box scores don't have to be cherry picked, he is one of the worst defenders in the league and also did not shoot it super efficiently this year (or last). We know what Simons is at this point, acquiring him would be hoping his efficiency ticks up in a complimentary role with a smarter shot diet and hoping we can blend him into our defense.

He is not a guarantee, he was not good overall this year, but for the right price could be worth a shot here as a fit. No sense acting like he is something he isn't. There is a reason Blazers fans want him gone, there is a reason if he is traded it won't be for much.


Simons is definitely not a low risk swing. My expectations would be 6th man for us and not to pay him more than that.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#69 » by Idiosyncratic » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:32 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Simons is definitely not a low risk swing. My expectations would be 6th man for us and not to pay him more than that.


I mostly agree, but I do think there is a chance he is a good fit with our starting unit and worth the risk.

I personally have no problem trading for him at the price it should cost, I want to make that clear. But it is also a fact that he has not been good the last two years. We can imagine the shooting helping our spacing and his competent PnR handling helping, but if we get 55.7 TS% and near worst in league defense it is not going to move the needle for us.

Blazers fans talk about Simons like we do Cole here. He does things we need, so I understand why people want him, but he was not good last year ( I'm sorry I don't care about raw PPG only, everything matters) and should not carry much trade value at 1/28. IDK those are my Simons thoughts, prepared to get killed for them. I'm out on Simons arguments though I need to stop chiming in :lol:

I'm saying I am OK trying him here, but I'm sure Simons hive will find something to nitpick. Bring on the 3 point montages, three3d. :)
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#70 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:34 pm

Idiosyncratic wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Here's a boxscore where Simons got 30 while playing PG against Boston. White and Pritchard both got over 40.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202503050BOS.html

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highlights for reference... since you're cherry picking box scores :lol:

Pritchard & White did a ton of work vs Scoot and both hit some absolutely stupid shots. Simons was actually matched up vs Brown a ton

Simons had the 2nd highest BPM at 7.5


I mean box scores don't have to be cherry picked, he is one of the worst defenders in the league and also did not shoot it super efficiently this year (or last). We know what Simons is at this point, acquiring him would be hoping his efficiency ticks up in a complimentary role with a smarter shot diet and hoping we can blend him into our defense.

He is not a guarantee, he was not good overall this year, but for the right price could be worth a shot here as a fit. No sense acting like he is something he isn't. There is a reason Blazers fans want him gone, there is a reason if he is traded it won't be for much.


for that instance, it was 100% cherry picked. watch the highlights Simons didn't really play bad defense. It was scoot getting abused a lot and then White/Pritchard hitting dumb shots.

The issue I have is acting as if Simons is a terrible defender and doesn't give effort, it's a lazy take that for some posters is par for the course. He's a workable defender, gives effort and isn't a cone. You sign him to the deal we gifted Cole, and this team will be much better. You pair Simons with Suggs or Black on the court and that's 10x better than what we get with Cole and either of those guys. For a 6th man type of deal, he'd be pretty darn perfect for what we need.

37% from 3 on 8+ attempts a night with 4+ assists and a steal is what this team needs big time. There's definitely 8+ attempts from 3 on our roster right now on a nightly basis.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#71 » by Idiosyncratic » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:39 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Idiosyncratic wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:


highlights for reference... since you're cherry picking box scores :lol:

Pritchard & White did a ton of work vs Scoot and both hit some absolutely stupid shots. Simons was actually matched up vs Brown a ton

Simons had the 2nd highest BPM at 7.5


I mean box scores don't have to be cherry picked, he is one of the worst defenders in the league and also did not shoot it super efficiently this year (or last). We know what Simons is at this point, acquiring him would be hoping his efficiency ticks up in a complimentary role with a smarter shot diet and hoping we can blend him into our defense.

He is not a guarantee, he was not good overall this year, but for the right price could be worth a shot here as a fit. No sense acting like he is something he isn't. There is a reason Blazers fans want him gone, there is a reason if he is traded it won't be for much.


for that instance, it was 100% cherry picked. watch the highlights Simons didn't really play bad defense. It was scoot getting abused a lot and then White/Pritchard hitting dumb shots.

The issue I have is acting as if Simons is a terrible defender and doesn't give effort, it's a lazy take that for some posters is par for the course. He's a workable defender, gives effort and isn't a cone. You sign him to the deal we gifted Cole, and this team will be much better. You pair Simons with Suggs or Black on the court and that's 10x better than what we get with Cole and either of those guys. For a 6th man type of deal, he'd be pretty darn perfect for what we need.

37% from 3 on 8+ attempts a night with 4+ assists and a steal is what this team needs big time. There's definitely 8+ attempts from 3 on our roster right now on a nightly basis.


I agree with you, I think your logic is sound. Again, I am for trying him out here.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#72 » by drsd » Wed Apr 30, 2025 7:49 pm

Wow this off-season is already dragging along.

How long until October???

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Post#73 » by MagicTownBaller » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:03 pm

What's weird to me is before the Magic play actual basketball again, I will have my own little Magic fan. Wife is pregnant and due in end of August with our first child and my son.
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Post#74 » by VFX » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:04 pm

People have to understand that Anfernee Simons would look like an entirely different player in Orlando’s system than he currently does in Portland…

Playing next to Paolo, Franz, and Suggs would look dramatically different than playing next to Grant, Sharpe, and Avdija.

That’s why it’s disingenuous to form arguments around what a players end result would be in those situations. He will be tasked with an entirely different role given the circumstances.

Orlando is 2nd in defensive rating and Portland is 16th. Portland is 22nd in offensive rating and Orlando is 27th.
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Post#75 » by eyriq » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:06 pm

MagicTownBaller wrote:What's weird to me is before the Magic play actual basketball again, I will have my own little Magic fan. Wife is pregnant and due in end of August with our first child and my son.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#76 » by Idiosyncratic » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:13 pm

VFX wrote:People have to understand that Anfernee Simons would look like an entirely different player in Orlando’s system than he currently does in Portland…

Playing next to Paolo, Franz, and Suggs would look dramatically different than playing next to Grant, Sharpe, and Avdija.

That’s why it’s disingenuous to form arguments around what a players end result would be in those situations. He will be tasked with an entirely different role given the circumstances.

Orlando is 2nd in defensive rating and Portland is 16th. Portland is 22nd in offensive rating and Orlando is 27th.


I mean that's why I said it is OK to think his efficiency can tick up here and that he can buy into the defense. I'm kind of there, willing to try it. We may not have an abundance of options, we may have to squint and try a previously flawed player out.

But I do mostly believe that players kind of are who they are. Shooting can fluctuate year to year for anyone, but I mostly pin player performance on themselves, obviously there are exceptions and extreme cases.

And secondly, I am paying for the player he is. The trade package for Simons at 1/28 should not be very much and I am fairly certain that will be the case.
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Post#77 » by SOUL » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:15 pm

Portland had a solid defense (not because of him, I might add). It's not like Simons was playing on the Wizards. To me it's more about seeing what offensive player would work best with our system and kind of just accepting their defense won't be as amazing, but it's a trade we have to make to be better right now.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#78 » by VFX » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:25 pm

Idiosyncratic wrote:
VFX wrote:People have to understand that Anfernee Simons would look like an entirely different player in Orlando’s system than he currently does in Portland…

Playing next to Paolo, Franz, and Suggs would look dramatically different than playing next to Grant, Sharpe, and Avdija.

That’s why it’s disingenuous to form arguments around what a players end result would be in those situations. He will be tasked with an entirely different role given the circumstances.

Orlando is 2nd in defensive rating and Portland is 16th. Portland is 22nd in offensive rating and Orlando is 27th.


I mean that's why I said it is OK to think his efficiency can tick up here and that he buy into the defense. I'm kind of there, willing to try it. We may not have an abundance of options, we may have to squint and try a previously flawed player out.

But I do mostly believe that players kind of are who they are. Shooting can fluctuate year to year for anyone, but I mostly pin player performance on themselves, obviously there are exceptions and extreme cases.

And secondly, I am paying for the player he is. The trade package for Simons at 1/28 should not be very much and I am fairly certain that will be the case.


It’s worth a shot if a few things translate.

Can Simons get 5+ assist per game on higher usage?
Is his individual playmaking real enough to move the offense?
Can he be had without giving up a ton of assets?
Can the defense remain top 5 adding him next to Suggs?
Is there still room for growth as a 25/26 year old?

I think most of the answers to those questions are yes.

Paolo was #5 in THE ENTIRE NBA in usage% for reg season
Franz was #13

Simons was like mid-60’s, so I think those numbers would go up in his role here. Sexton was around the same.
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Post#79 » by MasterGMer » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:30 pm

Let me ask an interesting question: The whole league will be watching where Giannis gonna go, should we? Paring Giannis with our stars will make us a contender? It is going to be expensive, but should we at least entertain the idea?
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Post#80 » by SOUL » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:56 pm

I think you don't pick up options on Harris-CoJo (10 mil off books)

We pair or move a pick in this draft + Cole + Isaac (I think he gets moved) + Jett or TDS or whoever
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