What about the Center Spot?

[AdamTheGreek]

I'm fascinated with a guy like Sabonis (or, better yet, Sabonis) running the high post, getting the ball moving, rewarding cutters and creating easy shots. Even with his defensive questions, he's collecting tons of rebounds and he's become a floor spreader too. I guess that's bled into my analysis of Wolf, whether it's really accurate or not.

BTW, lots of great players have "questionable" or "poor" defense...it's overstated. IMO, the team and Coach can compensate to a great degree...but it's not like stars like Sabonis (or even Simons or Reaves) are just literally stuck to the floor.

I like Domantas, but his salary is brutal.

Lauri and Vooch are cheaper and do similar things as Sabonis.

Lauri making $47 mil next season is cheap?

Sorry, I thought Lauri was in the 30s.
He’s more expensive than Sabonis.

[basketballRob]

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[eyriq]

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Worth the risk imo. I wanted him so badly in that draft

[Skybox]

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Worth the risk imo. I wanted him so badly in that draft

Sooo close...but at least we got Super Mario

[Skybox]

Vuc is not good. How many examples do you need of him not being a winning player? The last time I watched him, it looked like he lost a step, and it was taking a lot of effort to move his big frame around. He offers no resistance at the basket and can't guard the perimeter.

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and how many more times do I have to say that I trust the NBA coaches assessment of him (who voted him an All-Star) more than a bunch of knuckleheads screaming "buddy ball" as if that means something?

"Buddy Ball" always pissed me off because it implied that the offense was dominated by just two guys...sound familiar? (times 10)

[JoshuaPotter]

Vuc is not good. How many examples do you need of him not being a winning player? The last time I watched him, it looked like he lost a step, and it was taking a lot of effort to move his big frame around. He offers no resistance at the basket and can't guard the perimeter.

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and how many more times do I have to say that I trust the NBA coaches assessment of him (who voted him an All-Star) more than a bunch of knuckleheads screaming "buddy ball" as if that means something?

"Buddy Ball" always pissed me off because it implied that the offense was dominated by just two guys...sound familiar? (times 10)

Honestly, Vooch + WCj as a backup wouldn't be half bad. It would provided much needed pressure relief valve on offense as we would have 3 legit 20ppg+ scorers and we STILL have % wise decent shooters in the back court as well as good defense.

But it won't happen. Vooch is I think too expensive. Now if he can be had cheap? It is an interesting thought experiment. Because WCJ only seems to show in the playoffs and occasional throughout the season when not injured.

[Skybox]

Vuc is not good. How many examples do you need of him not being a winning player? The last time I watched him, it looked like he lost a step, and it was taking a lot of effort to move his big frame around. He offers no resistance at the basket and can't guard the perimeter.

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and how many more times do I have to say that I trust the NBA coaches assessment of him (who voted him an All-Star) more than a bunch of knuckleheads screaming "buddy ball" as if that means something?

"Buddy Ball" always pissed me off because it implied that the offense was dominated by just two guys...sound familiar? (times 10)

Honestly, Vooch + WCj as a backup wouldn't be half bad. It would provided much needed pressure relief valve on offense as we would have 3 legit 20ppg+ scorers and we STILL have % wise decent shooters in the back court as well as good defense.

But it won't happen. Vooch is I think too expensive. Now if he can be had cheap? It is an interesting thought experiment. Because WCJ only seems to show in the playoffs and occasional throughout the season when not injured.

Maybe I'm wrong...but I think Vuc could be a candidate for a reasonable pay cut and he and WCJ could be deployed in variety of combinations and minutes...I'd be more concerned about how WCJ responds to what feels like, and essentially would be a demotion. That's a very formidable, versatile combo. Everybody has this image of Vuc as soft...you simply don't average 10 rebs per game for a decade that way. I guess he needs to do the whole stupid primal scream thing Bamba (and everyone under 26) does after every rebound or point scored inside.

I'd also be okay if WCJ was moved, but I DO like him backing up 2 spots. Goga has never held onto the starting spot - I just don't think Mose is on team Goga.

[Skybox]

Maxime Raynaud...remember that name. The more I look and listen, the more I like. I'm actually becoming concerned that interviews and workouts will push him beyond our reach at #16.

[JoshuaPotter]

and how many more times do I have to say that I trust the NBA coaches assessment of him (who voted him an All-Star) more than a bunch of knuckleheads screaming "buddy ball" as if that means something?

"Buddy Ball" always pissed me off because it implied that the offense was dominated by just two guys...sound familiar? (times 10)

Honestly, Vooch + WCj as a backup wouldn't be half bad. It would provided much needed pressure relief valve on offense as we would have 3 legit 20ppg+ scorers and we STILL have % wise decent shooters in the back court as well as good defense.

But it won't happen. Vooch is I think too expensive. Now if he can be had cheap? It is an interesting thought experiment. Because WCJ only seems to show in the playoffs and occasional throughout the season when not injured.

Maybe I'm wrong...but I think Vuc could be a candidate for a reasonable pay cut and he and WCJ could be deployed in variety of combinations and minutes...I'd be more concerned about how WCJ responds to what feels like, and essentially would be a demotion. That's a very formidable, versatile combo. Everybody has this image of Vuc as soft...you simply don't average 10 rebs per game for a decade that way. I guess he needs to do the whole stupid primal scream thing Bamba (and everyone under 26) does after every rebound or point scored inside.

I'd also be okay if WCJ was moved, but I DO like him backing up 2 spots. Goga has never held onto the starting spot - I just don't think Mose is on team Goga.

That's the thing, Vooch has the theoretical tools to be the next Brook Lopez, the question becomes, can we find the next Brook Lopez before he becomes Brook Lopez?

Even if he just remains Vooch but in the decline, he is theoretically better and instant offense off the bench if Mose prefers Duke energy next to Paolo.

[basketballRob]

Didn't Brook Lopez win a DPOY?

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[dsg2021]

The whole thing with KP is to hopefully get him in a complicated SnT Extension that keeps him under 30 mil per. If any team like LAL wants to give him like 36 mil per on average, I’d be out. I think his 1 on 1 defense is suspect at times too. On the flipside, I do think he has the signs of a player who can play high level into his late 30’s, so I am down for a 4-5 year deal.

[jezzerinho]

Vooch is not a competitor. Pass.

[BadMofoPimp]

Trade KCP for Vooch for a one year center rental. Problems solved.

[Skybox]

The whole thing with KP is to hopefully get him in a complicated SnT Extension that keeps him under 30 mil per. If any team like LAL wants to give him like 36 mil per on average, I’d be out. I think his 1 on 1 defense is suspect at times too. On the flipside, I do think he has the signs of a player who can play high level into his late 30’s, so I am down for a 4-5 year deal.

If KP will take a discount...he and BOS don't split. They love him there and great chemistry already intact.

[Skybox]

Trade KCP for Vooch for a one year center rental. Problems solved.

This is, at worst, saving us a year of $20m+ for a redundant player. Suggs will be back next year and Weltman and Mose are being very upfront about bringing in offense for defense...if it's not a guard or Center - I'd love to know where that's happening. KCP off the bench is a non-starter at $22m & single-digit scoring. Even if Vuc retired after the trade, it could be considered progress...but he won't be and he'll be our best starting C since...himself. It's one year...look for the next guy or maybe keep him on a discount - but, in this case, yes, it's a rental. This summer's priority is backcourt scoring...if we could upgrade C this painlessly AND have it make fiscal sense...NO BRAINER.

Vuc isn't the BEST C we could get or design in a lab to fit our team, but he's a lot closer than WCJ + Goga combined. Having said that, if we kept WCJ to backup C & PF...I could get behind it. WCJ could play next to Paolo, next to Vuc, next to Moe...he's just not enough by himself. Obviously, that makes Goga (or, possibly Moe) odd man out. I'd also consider trading WCJ if someone came knocking. Vuc is just better at C. WCJ switches better on the perimeter - that's basically the only thing (it's important for the way ORL plays, but I'd make adjustments for a guy who can put up points, pull 10+ boards, and open up the paint better.

Just to ruffle feathers, imo, if KCP is traded - he's out of AB's way for more minutes.

If KCP is kept, AB likely trade bait.

choose your path.

[Skybox]

Vooch is not a competitor. Pass.

You just don't routinely put up 20 & 10 routinely, for years...particularly as a big man in the paint, if you're not competitive or soft. Just because he's not screaming in the opponent's face every time he makes a play, doesn't mean he hasn't patiently, quietly, efficiently kicked ass for a decade.

I love Suggs & many young stars, but doesn't the wincing and limping and whining at the refs get a little old? and doesn't it kind of cheapen what he does?

Think Kobe...no whining, no emotion, no chance to rattle him.

[BadMofoPimp]

Vooch would provem all wrong!!!

[basketballRob]

Vooch is not a competitor. Pass.

You just don't routinely put up 20 & 10 routinely, for years...particularly as a big man in the paint, if you're not competitive or soft. Just because he's not screaming in the opponent's face every time he makes a play, doesn't mean he hasn't patiently, quietly, efficiently kicked ass for a decade.

I love Suggs & many young stars, but doesn't the wincing and limping and whining at the refs get a little old? and doesn't it kind of cheapen what he does?

Think Kobe...no whining, no emotion, no chance to rattle him.

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[jezzerinho]

Vooch is not a competitor. Pass.

You just don't routinely put up 20 & 10 routinely, for years...particularly as a big man in the paint, if you're not competitive or soft. Just because he's not screaming in the opponent's face every time he makes a play, doesn't mean he hasn't patiently, quietly, efficiently kicked ass for a decade.

I love Suggs & many young stars, but doesn't the wincing and limping and whining at the refs get a little old? and doesn't it kind of cheapen what he does?

Think Kobe...no whining, no emotion, no chance to rattle him.

I never said anything about whining at refs or anything similar. I'm not even making a comparison between Vooch and anyone else.

Vooch has never led a team. Has never really been part (let alone the driver) of a winning team. Has struggled to deliver on the big stage. Tends to peak in a contract.year.and then slump.

We need players to come in and give us career years. Not splutter like KCP or fade into the wallpaper like Vooch.

[Skybox]

Vooch is not a competitor. Pass.

You just don't routinely put up 20 & 10 routinely, for years...particularly as a big man in the paint, if you're not competitive or soft. Just because he's not screaming in the opponent's face every time he makes a play, doesn't mean he hasn't patiently, quietly, efficiently kicked ass for a decade.

I love Suggs & many young stars, but doesn't the wincing and limping and whining at the refs get a little old? and doesn't it kind of cheapen what he does?

Think Kobe...no whining, no emotion, no chance to rattle him.

I never said anything about whining at refs or anything similar. I'm not even making a comparison between Vooch and anyone else.

Vooch has never led a team. Has never really been part (let alone the driver) of a winning team. Has struggled to deliver on the big stage. Tends to peak in a contract.year.and then slump.

We need players to come in and give us career years. Not splutter like KCP or fade into the wallpaper like Vooch.

to say that he's not competitive is absurd...I've got to believe you're just looking for some outward BS (other than occasionally slamming the ball)

THIS ORL team wouldn't be asking him to lead...but just for perspective, he DID drag a team (a lot weaker than the current one) to the playoffs...despite all of the crying and gnashing of teeth, he had to be BOTH Paolo & Franz on that team...who was his "Robin" - DJ Augustine? Evan?

I'm not remotely promoting him as savior or as superstar or even former superstar but people are awfully dismissive of a former All-Star, who even at a low-key point in his career, is putting up big nightly numbers, including being among the top rebounders in the league - like he always has.

He'd come cheap, he'd be expiring which means he's already better (financially) than having KCP here, and he's probably pretty good...at least offensively - certainly miles ahead of anyone we have. I like him with WCJ, not instead of him - at least for a look...until the trade deadline. I'd still draft a C that looks as fundamentally sound and skilled as him, so he could see what a professional, reliable C looks like.