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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#61 » by RichCollab » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:10 am

fateis007 wrote:Get Simons and Tyus Jones, and call it a day


Simons/Suggs/Wagner/Paolo/WCJ
Tyus/KCP/Silva/Moritz/Goga

Get rid of any of (3 first round picks, MLE, Cole Anthony, JI, Black, Harris) to get it done.

Simons is from here, makes sense, since we have had trouble keeping stars.

Also if WCJ cant stop being horrible from 3, you trade him for a stretch big.


No way we add Tyus if we get Simons. We can’t give up that much defense.
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Post#62 » by RichCollab » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:11 am

RichCollab wrote:We hate trading 1st round picks and we tend to hold players we draft.

We only have 2 players we traded for WCJ and Gary Harris.

We have 9 players we drafted on the roster.

I’m not sure we are capable of trading 1st round draft picks given our FO history. They are addicted to drafting and the players they draft.

I want us to trade both 1st this year but are we capable?
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Post#63 » by thelead » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:35 am

RichCollab wrote:
fateis007 wrote:Get Simons and Tyus Jones, and call it a day


Simons/Suggs/Wagner/Paolo/WCJ
Tyus/KCP/Silva/Moritz/Goga

Get rid of any of (3 first round picks, MLE, Cole Anthony, JI, Black, Harris) to get it done.

Simons is from here, makes sense, since we have had trouble keeping stars.

Also if WCJ cant stop being horrible from 3, you trade him for a stretch big.


No way we add Tyus if we get Simons. We can’t give up that much defense.

would we really be degrading the defense that much? One would take Cole's minutes. Admittedly, Cole did show some improvement this year in that department. Maybe one of these guys can do the same with some coaching?
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#64 » by RichCollab » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:47 am

thelead wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
fateis007 wrote:Get Simons and Tyus Jones, and call it a day


Simons/Suggs/Wagner/Paolo/WCJ
Tyus/KCP/Silva/Moritz/Goga

Get rid of any of (3 first round picks, MLE, Cole Anthony, JI, Black, Harris) to get it done.

Simons is from here, makes sense, since we have had trouble keeping stars.

Also if WCJ cant stop being horrible from 3, you trade him for a stretch big.


No way we add Tyus if we get Simons. We can’t give up that much defense.

would we really be degrading the defense that much? One would take Cole's minutes. Admittedly, Cole did show some improvement this year in that department. Maybe one of these guys can do the same with some coaching?


I could see adding Tyus if we got Coby White but not Simons or Poole.
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Post#65 » by cedric76 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:44 am

Knightro wrote:If you can get Poole without giving up either first round pick, I think you have to strongly consider it.

And then package both firsts and whatever filler you need to move up into the lottery and get a guy you really love.


Trading for Poole while keeping suggs means that we are almost guaranteed to hit the 2nd apron in 2026-2027, he is definitely not worth those penalties
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Post#66 » by fendilim » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:51 am

cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:If you can get Poole without giving up either first round pick, I think you have to strongly consider it.

And then package both firsts and whatever filler you need to move up into the lottery and get a guy you really love.


Trading for Poole while keeping suggs means that we are almost guaranteed to hit the 2nd apron in 2026-2027, he is definitely not worth those penalties

Poole is such a wild card that a trade without giving up a 1st is hard to pass up.

But what are the odds of him moving the needle?
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Post#67 » by cedric76 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:06 am

fendilim wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:If you can get Poole without giving up either first round pick, I think you have to strongly consider it.

And then package both firsts and whatever filler you need to move up into the lottery and get a guy you really love.


Trading for Poole while keeping suggs means that we are almost guaranteed to hit the 2nd apron in 2026-2027, he is definitely not worth those penalties

Poole is such a wild card that a trade without giving up a 1st is hard to pass up.

But what are the odds of him moving the needle?


How do you feel the 11 other spots?

Poole isn't worth the headaches

We want to build a dinasty, a well built team that can contend for the next 5 yrs, not a team that you have to break in 2 yrs because you can't afford to pay everyone (aka Boston, phoenix, etc...)


How do you fill the
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Post#68 » by basketballRob » Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:33 am

fendilim wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:If you can get Poole without giving up either first round pick, I think you have to strongly consider it.

And then package both firsts and whatever filler you need to move up into the lottery and get a guy you really love.


Trading for Poole while keeping suggs means that we are almost guaranteed to hit the 2nd apron in 2026-2027, he is definitely not worth those penalties

Poole is such a wild card that a trade without giving up a 1st is hard to pass up.

But what are the odds of him moving the needle?
He averaged 25.2 ppg per 36 mpg last season and 39% on pull-up 3s on 5.2 attempts per game. He's definitely going to improve the offense.

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Post#69 » by sk8wrulz » Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:50 am

basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Trading for Poole while keeping suggs means that we are almost guaranteed to hit the 2nd apron in 2026-2027, he is definitely not worth those penalties

Poole is such a wild card that a trade without giving up a 1st is hard to pass up.

But what are the odds of him moving the needle?
He averaged 25.2 ppg per 36 mpg last season and 39% on pull-up 3s on 5.2 attempts per game. He's definitely going to improve the offense.

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And he did this being the 1st option. What more if he’s 3rd or 4th option here.
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Post#70 » by Knightro » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:11 pm

Poole only has two years left on his deal, same as KCP. So if KCP is in the deal, you haven't really changed much in terms of your 26-27 books.

26-27 is going to be a painful year, but it's looking like it's going to be a painful year no matter what they do.

If KCP is NOT in the deal, then you'd have Poole and KCP expiring at the same time and the books would all of a sudden become squeaky clean in the summer of 2027 with well over $50M coming off.
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Post#71 » by drsd » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:13 pm

Knightro wrote:26-27 is going to be a painful year, ....


This is true, but 27-28 and on are very soft. Orlando only has this season and next for moneyball issues to resolve.
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Post#72 » by Knightro » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:33 pm

drsd wrote:
Knightro wrote:26-27 is going to be a painful year, ....


This is true, but 27-28 and on are very soft. Orlando only has this season and next for moneyball issues to resolve.


I'm not concerned about this upcoming season whatsoever. I think they could potentially work themselves completely out of the tax if they're so inclined.

Definitely can and should stay under the aprons at the very least.
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Post#73 » by VFX » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:07 pm

Knightro wrote:Poole only has two years left on his deal, same as KCP. So if KCP is in the deal, you haven't really changed much in terms of your 26-27 books.

26-27 is going to be a painful year, but it's looking like it's going to be a painful year no matter what they do.

If KCP is NOT in the deal, then you'd have Poole and KCP expiring at the same time and the books would all of a sudden become squeaky clean in the summer of 2027 with well over $50M coming off.


The deal would have to be either

Isaac + Cole for Poole + filler
KCP + Cole for Poole + filler

Obviously this would be prior to the draft or during. Isaac’s contract is $25m before early July.

Moving KCP imo is the better roster balance if Orlando can still add NAW.

I’m not high on Poole, but his skillset makes more sense with the current iteration of the roster more than KCPs. I feel like I have to add that disclaimer in all Poole party talk.
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Post#74 » by mattdelray1220 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:23 pm

VFX wrote:
Knightro wrote:Poole only has two years left on his deal, same as KCP. So if KCP is in the deal, you haven't really changed much in terms of your 26-27 books.

26-27 is going to be a painful year, but it's looking like it's going to be a painful year no matter what they do.

If KCP is NOT in the deal, then you'd have Poole and KCP expiring at the same time and the books would all of a sudden become squeaky clean in the summer of 2027 with well over $50M coming off.


The deal would have to be either

Isaac + Cole for Poole + filler
KCP + Cole for Poole + filler

Obviously this would be prior to the draft or during. Isaac’s contract is $25m before early July.

Moving KCP imo is the better roster balance if Orlando can still add NAW.

I’m not high on Poole, but his skillset makes more sense with the current iteration of the roster more than KCPs. I feel like I have to add that disclaimer in all Poole party talk.


I am really warming up to the idea of our guards looking like:

Poole, AB, Cojo
Suggs, KCP, Caleb

Most people are down on AB but I feel like we are going to see a nice jump from him yr 3. I also expect Caleb to take a small jump as well. He started to put it together at the end last year and his defense improved.
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Post#75 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:35 pm

sk8wrulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
fendilim wrote:Poole is such a wild card that a trade without giving up a 1st is hard to pass up.

But what are the odds of him moving the needle?
He averaged 25.2 ppg per 36 mpg last season and 39% on pull-up 3s on 5.2 attempts per game. He's definitely going to improve the offense.

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And he did this being the 1st option. What more if he’s 3rd or 4th option here.


According to USG%, he was 3rd/4th option for the Warriors in ‘21-‘22 and avg. 19/4/3/1 shooting nearly 37% from 3 (on 8 APG).

93% from the line and directly helped them win a championship.

He was the 2nd/3rd option the following year and avg. 20/5/3/1

Trust me Orlando isn’t trading for him to be the 4th offensive option behind Jalen Suggs :lol:

He very well might have the second highest usg rate on the team (rightfully so).

If he’s capable of sharing the court with one of the best players our generation has ever seen AND win a freakin championship, I’m not really sure I see the concern.

Some people act like Poole is some hypothetical player, he’s not. There’s real data from both spectrums. One being on a contender and one being on the worst team in the NBA.
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Post#76 » by 89Magicfan » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:45 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
sk8wrulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:He averaged 25.2 ppg per 36 mpg last season and 39% on pull-up 3s on 5.2 attempts per game. He's definitely going to improve the offense.

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And he did this being the 1st option. What more if he’s 3rd or 4th option here.


According to USG%, he was 3rd/4th option for the Warriors in ‘21-‘22 and avg. 19/4/3/1 shooting nearly 37% from 3 (on 8 APG).

93% from the line and directly helped them win a championship.

He was the 2nd/3rd option the following year and avg. 20/5/3/1

Trust me Orlando isn’t trading for him to be the 4th offensive option behind Jalen Suggs :lol:

He very well might have the second highest usg rate on the team (rightfully so).

If he’s capable of sharing the court with one of the best players our generation has ever seen AND win a freakin championship, I’m not really sure I see the concern.

Some people act like Poole is some hypothetical player, he’s not. There’s real data from both spectrums. One being on a contender and one being on the worst team in the NBA.



I get why some want to make the move for Poole. He’s a scorer. He can shoot. He gets in a rhythm, he’s lighting it up. He’ll spread the floor.

Here’s where you have to question him. He takes bad shots but all scorers do. I know but still… He also turns the ball over at a high rate. That means he’s not going to make the right plays more tunes than average and will give the ball away which is a recipe for losses.
Those two issues is giving other teams extra possessions.

As of right now you have guys who can make plays but not good enough or consistent enough to be called upon when shtf. We would be fixing one problem but doubling down, wait, more than doubling down, a lot more, on that problem.

Stats tell a story but you have to ask can you win with him? GS did but can we? Our offensive issues isn’t just a shooting/scoring problem. It’s one of many.
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Post#77 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:01 pm

89Magicfan wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
sk8wrulz wrote:
And he did this being the 1st option. What more if he’s 3rd or 4th option here.


According to USG%, he was 3rd/4th option for the Warriors in ‘21-‘22 and avg. 19/4/3/1 shooting nearly 37% from 3 (on 8 APG).

93% from the line and directly helped them win a championship.

He was the 2nd/3rd option the following year and avg. 20/5/3/1

Trust me Orlando isn’t trading for him to be the 4th offensive option behind Jalen Suggs :lol:

He very well might have the second highest usg rate on the team (rightfully so).

If he’s capable of sharing the court with one of the best players our generation has ever seen AND win a freakin championship, I’m not really sure I see the concern.

Some people act like Poole is some hypothetical player, he’s not. There’s real data from both spectrums. One being on a contender and one being on the worst team in the NBA.



I get why some want to make the move for Poole. He’s a scorer. He can shoot. He gets in a rhythm, he’s lighting it up. He’ll spread the floor.

Here’s where you have to question him. He takes bad shots but all scorers do. I know but still… He also turns the ball over at a high rate. That means he’s not going to make the right plays more tunes than average and will give the ball away which is a recipe for losses.
Those two issues is giving other teams extra possessions.

As of right now you have guys who can make plays but not good enough or consistent enough to be called upon when shtf. We would be fixing one problem but doubling down, wait, more than doubling down, a lot more, on that problem.

Stats tell a story but you have to ask can you win with him? GS did but can we? Our offensive issues isn’t just a shooting/scoring problem. It’s one of many.


I don’t think it’s that deep. If Poole was making half of what he’s making people would be slipping all over the floor from all the drool from their mouths.

Orlando needs playmaking - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs shooting - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a secondary ball handler - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs another player that can take over games - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs championship experience - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player not on a super long contract - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that is comfortable playing alongside another star - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a PG and positional versatility - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that isn’t afraid and comfortable taking the last shot - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that IS FRIENDS with their franchise player and has a relationship with other players on the team - Jordan Poole provides that.


This ish isn’t rocket science, if the trade makes sense it’s a no brainer.
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Post#78 » by VFX » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:08 pm

It’s a simple equation for me.

Orlando’s bench is garbage outside of Moe who isn’t back until Christmas. Positions 1-4 are entirely negligible AND overpaid, or will be. I’m not blinking twice in going after C.White, Reaves, or Simons if this wasn’t the case. Sure, send out multiple picks and assets for those guys.

Jordan Poole allows Orlando to keep rookie scale contracts from draft picks and they can move bad contracts in a deal with him.

Orlando needs that monetary flexibility 2+ years from now. Do I like Poole? No. But that’s the math.
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Post#79 » by eyriq » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:15 pm

mattdelray1220 wrote:
Most people are down on AB but I feel like we are going to see a nice jump from him yr 3.


Facts.

AB just put up ~10/3/3 in year two and was arguably our 4th best player in the playoffs. A starting role is coming — and soon.
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Post#80 » by 89Magicfan » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:25 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
According to USG%, he was 3rd/4th option for the Warriors in ‘21-‘22 and avg. 19/4/3/1 shooting nearly 37% from 3 (on 8 APG).

93% from the line and directly helped them win a championship.

He was the 2nd/3rd option the following year and avg. 20/5/3/1

Trust me Orlando isn’t trading for him to be the 4th offensive option behind Jalen Suggs :lol:

He very well might have the second highest usg rate on the team (rightfully so).

If he’s capable of sharing the court with one of the best players our generation has ever seen AND win a freakin championship, I’m not really sure I see the concern.

Some people act like Poole is some hypothetical player, he’s not. There’s real data from both spectrums. One being on a contender and one being on the worst team in the NBA.



I get why some want to make the move for Poole. He’s a scorer. He can shoot. He gets in a rhythm, he’s lighting it up. He’ll spread the floor.

Here’s where you have to question him. He takes bad shots but all scorers do. I know but still… He also turns the ball over at a high rate. That means he’s not going to make the right plays more tunes than average and will give the ball away which is a recipe for losses.
Those two issues is giving other teams extra possessions.

As of right now you have guys who can make plays but not good enough or consistent enough to be called upon when shtf. We would be fixing one problem but doubling down, wait, more than doubling down, a lot more, on that problem.

Stats tell a story but you have to ask can you win with him? GS did but can we? Our offensive issues isn’t just a shooting/scoring problem. It’s one of many.


I don’t think it’s that deep. If Poole was making half of what he’s making people would be slipping all over the floor from all the drool from their mouths.

Orlando needs playmaking - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs shooting - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a secondary ball handler - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs another player that can take over games - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs championship experience - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player not on a super long contract - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that is comfortable playing alongside another star - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a PG and positional versatility - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that isn’t afraid and comfortable taking the last shot - Jordan Poole provides that.

Orlando needs a player that IS FRIENDS with their franchise player and has a relationship with other players on the team - Jordan Poole provides that.


This ish isn’t rocket science, if the trade makes sense it’s a no brainer.



I didn’t say anything that resembles rocket science.

He’s not a playmaker for others. He’s a higher than average turnover player. These are facts that we must keep into account.

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