Top 10 Worst Moves Post Dwight

[eyriq]

And Bol Bol? Seriously? Your argument that the FO “wasn’t inactive” is that we traded a second-round pick for Bol Bol? That’s not roster building – that’s penny stock trading.

LOL, good one

[pepe1991]

He was player who finished 3rd year and was eligible for new contract.

"Year left" is same year Ibaka had. Both were heading into FA after next year. It wasn't secret what Oladipo wanted. Max or near max.


Sabonis wasn't our pick, it was well reported. Hennigan later backtracked it and said he would draft Sabonis as well even if he wasn't traded.

Case and point:




Shai? Guy drafted 11th in year where Magic had no PG and 6th pick? Only moron would pass on that. Right?



Btw Oladipo & Sabo for George trade was also - a rental. At times it was well reported that George wanted to go to LA. He only had 1 year left on his deal, but OKC took him and signed him on new deal. After 1 years of new deal, George indeed - left to play for Clippers.

Presti was just always ahead of everything and flat oute mastermind in terms of flipping talent for even more talent. Not kind a guy who drafs guy in lottery and sends him to G league

Carrying water for the guy who lit the rebuild on fire while nitpicking the front office that actually dug us out of that mess is pure intellectual bankruptcy. Hennigan turned prime assets into a rental and a bench scorer. Weltman turned that rubble into Franz, Paolo, and a legit foundation. If you're defending the guy who gave up Oladipo and Sabonis for 56 games of Ibaka...

I mean it couldn’t have been that bad right? Weltman kept the Hennigan core for another 4 years.

This.

Not only that Weltman kept them, Weltman resigned Vuc, Gordon and Ross himself.

Vuc is only one that gave him any value in trades.

Gordon , Ross and Evan turned into:
Broken Harris making $20M a year to be hurt all the time and sucking on floor
bum RJ Hampton



That's why whole "added value by keeping core" is fabrication and lie from Weltman apologists.
Gordon asked for trade in public and said he asked trade months prior and team flat out didn't do anything.
Vučević had more value year prior.
Evan said French media he won't return before season even started, by default, had more value proir.
Ross had some value year prior, in contract of no value in year he was bought out.


Wetlman's a** was saved by Bulls injuries to finish 21 season and draft luck where Bulls pick didn't leap frog into top 4 where they had protection.

Hennigan's mess was reforged and kept by Wetlman who resigned his core and kept them until players walked out on him. Any other attempt to spin this is just being ignorant and lying.
This isn't "my opinion". This is what happened in real life.

Aaron Gordon is ready for a relocation, as sources tell The Athletic that he asked Orlando Magic president of basketball operations Jeff Weltman for a trade through his representative in February.

Sources say the Celtics, whose significant struggles this season appear to have increased the pressure to add another impactful player in time for the playoff push, have been among the teams engaged with the Magic about a possible Gordon deal. Gordon, who is one of the most sought after players at the deadline, has also been at the center of talks with Houston, Minnesota, Denver and Portland, according to The Athletic’s Shams Charania.

Gordon asked trade in public at March 22th. Meaning, Wetlman knew about trade at least one full month before it leaked in public and still didn't trade him.

Masterful ignorance and not doing his job right there.

Orlando Magic guard Evan Fournier has reportedly told the team he has "no intention" of re-signing as a free agent this offseason, making it likelier he is traded ahead of the March 25 deadline.

ESPN's Tim MacMahon wrote a Fournier trade could come as part of a "roster reset" in Orlando. Aaron Gordon is also expected to see interest before Thursday after reportedly requesting a trade.

Again, facts. No masterful plan. At least year too late. Decision made by players.

[GelbeWand09]

I also do think it took Oladipo getting traded twice in 12 months to start taking his career as seriously as he needed to take it. I don't think that breakout he had in Indiana would have happened in Orlando or Oklahoma City frankly.

He overhauled his body in the summer of 2017 and got himself into elite shape. That first season in Indiana he basically was a guy who was in such good shape that he was able to play max effort for the entire game. And subsequently he was a well deserved all-NBA player that season.

The decision to essentially choose Fournier over Oladipo wasn't a terrible one at that time it was made.

That one Indiana season was just a outlier for me. What most people forget that in the season after his breakout he already fell back to earth and looked much more like a fringe Allstar (.519TS%) again and wasn't nearly on the level of the season before. So hard it sounds, for Indiana it was probably a blessing because it ultimately lead to Haliburton and Siakam instead of probably a ton of 1st round exits with Sabonis and the more realistic fringe Allstar version of Dipo.

[pepe1991]

I also do think it took Oladipo getting traded twice in 12 months to start taking his career as seriously as he needed to take it. I don't think that breakout he had in Indiana would have happened in Orlando or Oklahoma City frankly.

He overhauled his body in the summer of 2017 and got himself into elite shape. That first season in Indiana he basically was a guy who was in such good shape that he was able to play max effort for the entire game. And subsequently he was a well deserved all-NBA player that season.

The decision to essentially choose Fournier over Oladipo wasn't a terrible one at that time it was made.

That one Indiana season was just a outlier for me. What most people forget that in the season after his breakout he already fell back to earth and looked much more like a fringe Allstar (.519TS%) again and wasn't nearly on the level of the season before. So hard it sounds, for Indiana it was probably a blessing because it ultimately lead to Haliburton and Siakam instead of probably a ton of 1st round exits with Sabonis and the more realistic fringe Allstar version of Dipo.

This.

His season with Oklahoma was pretty damn awful as well.
Impact vise, he was 4th best player that had MVP - Westbrook and common sense - "no help".

His playoff numbers were flat out pathetic.
34% FG
24% for 3
39% EFG
42% TS

3,4 fouls

Basically, as Gelbe said, only once in his entire career Oladipo was actually positive value on the floor. Even before injury, he returned to Indy being same old Magic-Tragic-Dipo. One that on old Orlando Pinstripe Post had meme of playstation controller where every button leads to Oladipo missing layup.

That's why i said Oladipo- Ibaka trade is most overhated trade of all time with Magic. Neither Magic would draft Sabonis if it was up to them nor Oladipo was that good. Ibaka declined. But still was good enough to be starter, later bench player on championship Raptors roster.

And Ibaka was 27, it is still unknown why his game dropped so fast (aside from some internet rumors that he faked his age and was much older all along )

[jezzerinho]

I also do think it took Oladipo getting traded twice in 12 months to start taking his career as seriously as he needed to take it. I don't think that breakout he had in Indiana would have happened in Orlando or Oklahoma City frankly.

He overhauled his body in the summer of 2017 and got himself into elite shape. That first season in Indiana he basically was a guy who was in such good shape that he was able to play max effort for the entire game. And subsequently he was a well deserved all-NBA player that season.

The decision to essentially choose Fournier over Oladipo wasn't a terrible one at that time it was made.

That one Indiana season was just a outlier for me. What most people forget that in the season after his breakout he already fell back to earth and looked much more like a fringe Allstar (.519TS%) again and wasn't nearly on the level of the season before. So hard it sounds, for Indiana it was probably a blessing because it ultimately lead to Haliburton and Siakam instead of probably a ton of 1st round exits with Sabonis and the more realistic fringe Allstar version of Dipo.

This.

His season with Oklahoma was pretty damn awful as well.
Impact vise, he was 4th best player that had MVP - Westbrook and common sense - "no help".

His playoff numbers were flat out pathetic.
34% FG
24% for 3
39% EFG
42% TS

3,4 fouls

Basically, as Gelbe said, only once in his entire career Oladipo was actually positive value on the floor. Even before injury, he returned to Indy being same old Magic-Tragic-Dipo. One that on old Orlando Pinstripe Post had meme of playstation controller where every button leads to Oladipo missing layup.

That's why i said Oladipo- Ibaka trade is most overhated trade of all time with Magic. Neither Magic would draft Sabonis if it was up to them nor Oladipo was that good. Ibaka declined. But still was good enough to be starter, later bench player on championship Raptors roster.

And Ibaka was 27, it is still unknown why his game dropped so fast (aside from some internet rumors that he faked his age and was much older all along )

Hahaha. I remember that. Takes me back.... haven't been to OPP for years. I presume it's dead?

[eyriq]

He was player who finished 3rd year and was eligible for new contract.

"Year left" is same year Ibaka had. Both were heading into FA after next year. It wasn't secret what Oladipo wanted. Max or near max.


Sabonis wasn't our pick, it was well reported. Hennigan later backtracked it and said he would draft Sabonis as well even if he wasn't traded.

Case and point:




Shai? Guy drafted 11th in year where Magic had no PG and 6th pick? Only moron would pass on that. Right?



Btw Oladipo & Sabo for George trade was also - a rental. At times it was well reported that George wanted to go to LA. He only had 1 year left on his deal, but OKC took him and signed him on new deal. After 1 years of new deal, George indeed - left to play for Clippers.

Presti was just always ahead of everything and flat oute mastermind in terms of flipping talent for even more talent. Not kind a guy who drafs guy in lottery and sends him to G league

Carrying water for the guy who lit the rebuild on fire while nitpicking the front office that actually dug us out of that mess is pure intellectual bankruptcy. Hennigan turned prime assets into a rental and a bench scorer. Weltman turned that rubble into Franz, Paolo, and a legit foundation. If you're defending the guy who gave up Oladipo and Sabonis for 56 games of Ibaka...

I mean it couldn’t have been that bad right? Weltman kept the Hennigan core for another 4 years.

Weltman kept the Hennigan core because ownership wasn’t ready to dive into another rebuild. He had to show them that group had a hard ceiling before tearing it down. He earned trust to reset the right way.

[JoshuaPotter]

All things considered I liked DIPO and if given the choice would still have chosen him over Fournier.

If my choice was the worse one. OK? Just fast forwards this timeline we speak of.

[p0peye]

What moves post-Dwight do you think belong on a top ten most detrimental list? I'll start:

1. The Serge Ibaka Gambit (2016–17)
This marked a shift from patience to panic. It was a multi-stage blunder that resulted in Orlando trading away Oladipo, Ilyasova, and Sabonis for Terrence Ross and a pick that was eventually flipped for Markelle Fultz.

2. 2016 Free Agency Lunacy
The win-now mindset led to squandering massive cap flexibility on Bismack Biyombo and Jeff Green. The resulting logjam stifled Aaron Gordon’s development. A nonsensical strategy.

3. Coaching Instability (2012–2018)
Rotating through Jacque Vaughn, Scott Skiles, and Frank Vogel, each with different systems and philosophies, created chaos and undermined player development.

4. Tobias Harris Salary Dump (Feb 2016)
Just months after extending a then-23-year-old Harris, Orlando traded him for Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova to appease Skiles. A short-sighted move with little long-term value.

5. J.J. Redick Trade (Feb 2013)
They traded Redick, Gustavo Ayón, and Ish Smith for Beno Udrih, Doron Lamb, and 20-year-old Tobias Harris. While Harris had upside, Redick was in the middle of a career year. He was one of the league’s elite shooters, a rare archetype, homegrown, and a fan favorite. Context matters.

6. Elfrid Payton Trade-Up (2014)
Orlando gave up the #12 pick (Dario Šarić), a future first, and a second-rounder to move up two spots for Payton, who turned out to be a bust. Brutal opportunity cost.

7. Drafting Mario Hezonja (2015)
Busts happen, but missing on Devin Booker is a gut punch. High opportunity cost.

8. Channing Frye Signing and Giveaway (2014–16)
They overpaid Frye in free agency for leadership and floor-spacing. Then they reversed course and dumped him for Jared Cunningham and a future second. Poor asset management.

9. Aaron Gordon Trade (Mar 2021)
While a rebuild was underway, the return for Gordon — Gary Harris, R.J. Hampton, and a future first (Jayson “Jase” Richardson) — felt underwhelming given his market value.

10. Drafting Andrew Nicholson (2012)
Using the 19th pick on Nicholson, who ultimately busted, isn’t egregious by itself. But passing on Fournier, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, and Will Barton? Yikes.

Some of these aren't that bad IMO.

The worst thing by a wide margin was Hennigan losing his mind and destroying his own rebuild to try and placate Skiles and later ownership.

On Opening Night 2015, this was the Magic's depth chart...

Starters: Payton, Oladipo, Fournier, Harris, Vucevic
Reserves: Watson, Hezonja, Gordon, Frye, Dedmon

There's really nothing wrong with this team at all. It's young and growing.

But Skiles hated the team and eventually complained to the point where Hennigan traded Harris for two expiring contracts.

Then ownership was so aghast that Skiles quit and wanted accountability for Hennigan, Rob decided to trade Oladipo and the 11th pick (Sabonis) for Ibaka and then use the free agency windfall to sign Biyombo, Augustin and Green.

So in one year they went from the depth chart listed above with another lottery pick incoming to...

Payton, Fournier, Gordon, Ibaka, Vucevic
Augustin, Hezonja, Green, Biyombo

A much worse and much lower upside team.

I remember Vucevic coming of the bench and Magic having Payton, Ibaka and Biyombo as their starters, while playing AG in Paul George role. Yikes.

[SHAQ32]

pepe1991 owned this lousy thread.

[Bensational]

Some of these aren't that bad IMO.

The worst thing by a wide margin was Hennigan losing his mind and destroying his own rebuild to try and placate Skiles and later ownership.

On Opening Night 2015, this was the Magic's depth chart...

Starters: Payton, Oladipo, Fournier, Harris, Vucevic
Reserves: Watson, Hezonja, Gordon, Frye, Dedmon

There's really nothing wrong with this team at all. It's young and growing.

But Skiles hated the team and eventually complained to the point where Hennigan traded Harris for two expiring contracts.

Then ownership was so aghast that Skiles quit and wanted accountability for Hennigan, Rob decided to trade Oladipo and the 11th pick (Sabonis) for Ibaka and then use the free agency windfall to sign Biyombo, Augustin and Green.

So in one year they went from the depth chart listed above with another lottery pick incoming to...

Payton, Fournier, Gordon, Ibaka, Vucevic
Augustin, Hezonja, Green, Biyombo

A much worse and much lower upside team.

I remember Vucevic coming of the bench and Magic having Payton, Ibaka and Biyombo as their starters, while playing AG in Paul George role. Yikes.

Payton and Vuc were both benched when Biyombo was given the starting role. What was the record?

Vuc Starting - 18W - 37L = 33% win rate
Biyombo Starting - 11W - 18L = 38% win rate

(disclaimer - Vuc was still getting the same minutes and putting up the same numbers off the bench as he did as a starter, so he still had a prominent role even when he was benched)

2017-18 was a similar story:

Vuc Starting - 17W - 40L = 30% win rate
Biyombo Starting - 8W - 17L = 32% win rate

(Vuc was out injured for the games Biyombo started this season)

In both seasons Biyombo lead the team to a better record than Vuc did as a starter. Yikes indeed.

[pepe1991]

Some of these aren't that bad IMO.

The worst thing by a wide margin was Hennigan losing his mind and destroying his own rebuild to try and placate Skiles and later ownership.

On Opening Night 2015, this was the Magic's depth chart...

Starters: Payton, Oladipo, Fournier, Harris, Vucevic
Reserves: Watson, Hezonja, Gordon, Frye, Dedmon

There's really nothing wrong with this team at all. It's young and growing.

But Skiles hated the team and eventually complained to the point where Hennigan traded Harris for two expiring contracts.

Then ownership was so aghast that Skiles quit and wanted accountability for Hennigan, Rob decided to trade Oladipo and the 11th pick (Sabonis) for Ibaka and then use the free agency windfall to sign Biyombo, Augustin and Green.

So in one year they went from the depth chart listed above with another lottery pick incoming to...

Payton, Fournier, Gordon, Ibaka, Vucevic
Augustin, Hezonja, Green, Biyombo

A much worse and much lower upside team.

I remember Vucevic coming of the bench and Magic having Payton, Ibaka and Biyombo as their starters, while playing AG in Paul George role. Yikes.

Payton and Vuc were both benched when Biyombo was given the starting role. What was the record?

Vuc Starting - 18W - 37L = 33% win rate
Biyombo Starting - 11W - 18L = 38% win rate

(disclaimer - Vuc was still getting the same minutes and putting up the same numbers off the bench as he did as a starter, so he still had a prominent role even when he was benched)

2017-18 was a similar story:

Vuc Starting - 17W - 40L = 30% win rate
Biyombo Starting - 8W - 17L = 32% win rate

(Vuc was out injured for the games Biyombo started this season)

In both seasons Biyombo lead the team to a better record than Vuc did as a starter. Yikes indeed.

I hated Vuc game back then, but still this isn't true.





Biyombo was unplayable. He was worst rotation player in nba. The worst.


This whole win loss record is so misleading.

Biyombo didn't add anything in wins, matter of fact during 2017-18, when he started 25 games, team had 8-17 record, but literally had negative plus minus while he was on the floor. Team would won despite of him.

Hell, i'll stick it

Biyombo 2017-18 plus minus during wins was -2,9, during losses was epic -19,2



Same season, during wins, Vučević plus minus was +19,9, during losses was - 10,4




Biyombo was so hilariously bad at basketball, that Magic had 12-13 record in games where he played below 15 min. Matter of fact they had 4-3 record in games where he played below 10 min


Again, Vučević was bad during those years, like whole team, but Biyombo was just on different level.

Among 320 players in 2017-18 that suited up for more than 20 games and averaged at least 15 mpg, Biyombo was 3rd worst player in nba. Payton was 10th. (net rating vise).

In joke within a joke, Payton is top 10 worst player this year again. When you need to tank, you call Elf.



Last punchline of joke called Hennigan and Biyombo:
Biyombo's best passing game happened at April 4th, 2018, where he had 12 points ,5 assists, 12 rebounds and plus minus of +11.

Opponent... Dallas Mavericks. Moral victory that tipped scale from Luka Dončić to... Mo Bamba.

[Bensational]

I remember Vucevic coming of the bench and Magic having Payton, Ibaka and Biyombo as their starters, while playing AG in Paul George role. Yikes.

Payton and Vuc were both benched when Biyombo was given the starting role. What was the record?

Vuc Starting - 18W - 37L = 33% win rate
Biyombo Starting - 11W - 18L = 38% win rate

(disclaimer - Vuc was still getting the same minutes and putting up the same numbers off the bench as he did as a starter, so he still had a prominent role even when he was benched)

2017-18 was a similar story:

Vuc Starting - 17W - 40L = 30% win rate
Biyombo Starting - 8W - 17L = 32% win rate

(Vuc was out injured for the games Biyombo started this season)

In both seasons Biyombo lead the team to a better record than Vuc did as a starter. Yikes indeed.

I hated Vuc game back then, but still this isn't true.





Biyombo was unplayable. He was worst rotation player in nba. The worst.


This whole win loss record is so misleading.

Biyombo didn't add anything in wins, matter of fact during 2017-18, when he started 25 games, team had 8-17 record, but literally had negative plus minus while he was on the floor. Team would won despite of him.

Hell, i'll stick it

Biyombo 2017-18 plus minus during wins was -2,9, during losses was epic -19,2



Same season, during wins, Vučević plus minus was +19,9, during losses was - 10,4




Biyombo was so hilariously bad at basketball, that Magic had 12-13 record in games where he played below 15 min. Matter of fact they had 4-3 record in games where he played below 10 min


Again, Vučević was bad during those years, like whole team, but Biyombo was just on different level.

Among 320 players in 2017-18 that suited up for more than 20 games and averaged at least 15 mpg, Biyombo was 3rd worst player in nba. Payton was 10th. (net rating vise).

In joke within a joke, Payton is top 10 worst player this year again. When you need to tank, you call Elf.



Last punchline of joke called Hennigan and Biyombo:
Biyombo's best passing game happened at April 4th, 2018, where he had 12 points ,5 assists, 12 rebounds and plus minus of +11.

Opponent... Dallas Mavericks. Moral victory that tipped scale from Luka Dončić to... Mo Bamba.

Everything I said was irrefutably true, with the exception of the phrase “lead” because Biyombo wasn’t a leading factor. The records and results are just straight facts.

If you want to cite those numbers above then you need to acknowledge that Payton and AG had better Netrtgs than Vuc, but you’ll bend new stats in to discount that somehow just because it contradicts your long held views of them.

Fact is, Vuc was always so replaceable and such a non-factor that Biyombo, “the worst player in the NBA”, could step into his starting role and the team didn’t miss a beat. In fact - it played better. That really isn’t a case for demonstrating Vuc was good, or good for competitive teams. In 14 seasons Vuc has only had 3 positive netrtgs. Our team got more value from moving him than he ever gave to us when we had him, and 3 seasons after the Magic already achieved a better season record as a rebuilding team than he was able to do with veterans.

[basketballRob]

I remember Vuc saying he wanted to be our Lillard. Lillard is going to end up being paid around $500m all from Portland with 0 championships. He gets $55m next season with another $14m on top of that.



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[pepe1991]

Payton and Vuc were both benched when Biyombo was given the starting role. What was the record?

Vuc Starting - 18W - 37L = 33% win rate
Biyombo Starting - 11W - 18L = 38% win rate

(disclaimer - Vuc was still getting the same minutes and putting up the same numbers off the bench as he did as a starter, so he still had a prominent role even when he was benched)

2017-18 was a similar story:

Vuc Starting - 17W - 40L = 30% win rate
Biyombo Starting - 8W - 17L = 32% win rate

(Vuc was out injured for the games Biyombo started this season)

In both seasons Biyombo lead the team to a better record than Vuc did as a starter. Yikes indeed.

I hated Vuc game back then, but still this isn't true.





Biyombo was unplayable. He was worst rotation player in nba. The worst.


This whole win loss record is so misleading.

Biyombo didn't add anything in wins, matter of fact during 2017-18, when he started 25 games, team had 8-17 record, but literally had negative plus minus while he was on the floor. Team would won despite of him.

Hell, i'll stick it

Biyombo 2017-18 plus minus during wins was -2,9, during losses was epic -19,2



Same season, during wins, Vučević plus minus was +19,9, during losses was - 10,4




Biyombo was so hilariously bad at basketball, that Magic had 12-13 record in games where he played below 15 min. Matter of fact they had 4-3 record in games where he played below 10 min


Again, Vučević was bad during those years, like whole team, but Biyombo was just on different level.

Among 320 players in 2017-18 that suited up for more than 20 games and averaged at least 15 mpg, Biyombo was 3rd worst player in nba. Payton was 10th. (net rating vise).

In joke within a joke, Payton is top 10 worst player this year again. When you need to tank, you call Elf.



Last punchline of joke called Hennigan and Biyombo:
Biyombo's best passing game happened at April 4th, 2018, where he had 12 points ,5 assists, 12 rebounds and plus minus of +11.

Opponent... Dallas Mavericks. Moral victory that tipped scale from Luka Dončić to... Mo Bamba.

Everything I said was irrefutably true, with the exception of the phrase “lead” because Biyombo wasn’t a leading factor. The records and results are just straight facts.

If you want to cite those numbers above then you need to acknowledge that Payton and AG had better Netrtgs than Vuc, but you’ll bend new stats in to discount that somehow just because it contradicts your long held views of them.

Fact is, Vuc was always so replaceable and such a non-factor that Biyombo, “the worst player in the NBA”, could step into his starting role and the team didn’t miss a beat. In fact - it played better. That really isn’t a case for demonstrating Vuc was good, or good for competitive teams. In 14 seasons Vuc has only had 3 positive netrtgs. Our team got more value from moving him than he ever gave to us when we had him, and 3 seasons after the Magic already achieved a better season record as a rebuilding team than he was able to do with veterans.

I said Vuc sucked, in those years, but guy literally had best net rating in 17-18, as you can see from above pic.

Vuc was never treated as savior of franchise, Ibaka and Biyombo additions prove it.
It's Oladipo, Payton, Hez and Gordon who failed Hennigan and by default Magic, because they weren't good enough to build around.
Gordon played in wrong role, Payton never should have been in nba in first place, Hezonja never developed anything meaningful to make him NBA rotation player. Guys like Oladipo are replacment level players ( NAW typle player).

Vuc got much better in 2017-18 than he was in past and continued to get better in 18-19.

Biyombo (and Elf) only helped tanking. Every data under a Sun proves it.

[doct3r dr3]

10. Drafting Andrew Nicholson (2012)
...

Take it back.

[p0peye]

10. Drafting Andrew Nicholson (2012)
...

Take it back.

+1

Having Physicist Forward was too advanced for its time.

[pepe1991]

10. Drafting Andrew Nicholson (2012)
...

Take it back.

+1

Having Physicist Forward was too advanced for its time.

Torture Chamber


btw in what world Nicholson at 19 is worst than Okeke at 16 or Jett at 11?

[pepe1991]

That one Indiana season was just a outlier for me. What most people forget that in the season after his breakout he already fell back to earth and looked much more like a fringe Allstar (.519TS%) again and wasn't nearly on the level of the season before. So hard it sounds, for Indiana it was probably a blessing because it ultimately lead to Haliburton and Siakam instead of probably a ton of 1st round exits with Sabonis and the more realistic fringe Allstar version of Dipo.

This.

His season with Oklahoma was pretty damn awful as well.
Impact vise, he was 4th best player that had MVP - Westbrook and common sense - "no help".

His playoff numbers were flat out pathetic.
34% FG
24% for 3
39% EFG
42% TS

3,4 fouls

Basically, as Gelbe said, only once in his entire career Oladipo was actually positive value on the floor. Even before injury, he returned to Indy being same old Magic-Tragic-Dipo. One that on old Orlando Pinstripe Post had meme of playstation controller where every button leads to Oladipo missing layup.

That's why i said Oladipo- Ibaka trade is most overhated trade of all time with Magic. Neither Magic would draft Sabonis if it was up to them nor Oladipo was that good. Ibaka declined. But still was good enough to be starter, later bench player on championship Raptors roster.

And Ibaka was 27, it is still unknown why his game dropped so fast (aside from some internet rumors that he faked his age and was much older all along )

Hahaha. I remember that. Takes me back.... haven't been to OPP for years. I presume it's dead?

Yea...dead. SB nation at one point fired all the pro writers or something like that. Shame.

[eyriq]

10. Drafting Andrew Nicholson (2012)
...

Take it back.

LOL I have to admit I did think fondly of you in that moment

[eyriq]

Take it back.

+1

Having Physicist Forward was too advanced for its time.

Torture Chamber


btw in what world Nicholson at 19 is worst than Okeke at 16 or Jett at 11?

In a vacuum, no, Nicholson at 19 isn’t worse than Jett at 11 or Chuma at 16. But this list isn’t just about who busted. It’s about missed opportunities and what the picks represented. Nicholson was the first pick of the first rebuild and they passed on Draymond, Middleton, Fournier, and Barton. That set the tone for years of bad talent evaluation. That’s why it made the list.