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Post#61 » by NEM » Fri Feb 1, 2008 2:55 am

neither johnson nor jamison deserved to make it...butler ok, but they dont deserve two all stars, we do, we're the division leaders...if anyone in ATL should have been an all star it should have been smith...im pissed, because i feel that this is BS
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Post#62 » by karizma87 » Fri Feb 1, 2008 2:57 am

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Toronto fans are actually really pissed about how Bosh mentioned Hedo and not Jose. Either way, Joe Johnson making it over both Jose and Hedo is just terrible and lazy selection making by the coaching staff. Johnson, despite putting up 21, is shooting 40% and has 2.6 turnovers per game on a losing team.



I'm not surprised at all! think about it...what does joe johnson have that hedo and jose don't?

an american citizenship.

the whole east squad is american actually...but I'm not implying anything
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Post#63 » by N4U|Redux » Fri Feb 1, 2008 2:59 am

I'm sorry, all the people moaning about Hedo not making the allstar team over Butler or Pierce need to get their head examined because they likely have a brain aneurism.

<I know we're on a Hedo high right now but be objective>

The only F on the list of reserves that is questionable to put in over Hedo is Jamison, but I'd trade Hedo for Antawn without any hesitation whatsoever.

Guys like Hamilton and Johnson are indeed worse (to a degree), but they don't play his position, so he was hardly snubbed because of those two.

Hedo wasn't snubbed, there's just many good F's out there, if he were in the west he wouldn't even have scratched the list. Is Hedo better than Jamison? That's debatable, but that doesn't make it a snub. People vote for known quality sometimes, Jamison has played comparable to Hedo this season, the difference: Jamison has been much better in the past, thus, he gets an edge right now. If Hedo keeps it up next year, he'll get the spot over Jamison, book it. Would anyone be shocked to see Hedo fall off though? That's probably the element that kept Hedo off the list.
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Post#64 » by flyingvee » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:20 am

I agree with the above, we think way too highly of soem of our player. Hedo is having a good year but still not better than those other guys. And to think a few weeks back there were murmers of the Magic sending 3 players to the ASG. Our roster is just not that good, and the coaches voting agree with that obviously.
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Post#65 » by BoricuaBoi » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:34 am

I truly hope Jamison breaks his ankle. Hedo desreves this so much more than he does. we have like a three game lead on them, lead the division, and still only one all star. thats it the Media hates the Magic.
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Post#66 » by karizma87 » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:35 am

n0tforyou wrote:I'm sorry, all the people moaning about Hedo not making the allstar team over Butler or Pierce need to get their head examined because they likely have a brain aneurism.

<I know we're on a Hedo high right now but be objective>

The only F on the list of reserves that is questionable to put in over Hedo is Jamison, but I'd trade Hedo for Antawn without any hesitation whatsoever.

Guys like Hamilton and Johnson are indeed worse (to a degree), but they don't play his position, so he was hardly snubbed because of those two.

Hedo wasn't snubbed, there's just many good F's out there, if he were in the west he wouldn't even have scratched the list. Is Hedo better than Jamison? That's debatable, but that doesn't make it a snub. People vote for known quality sometimes, Jamison has played comparable to Hedo this season, the difference: Jamison has been much better in the past, thus, he gets an edge right now. If Hedo keeps it up next year, he'll get the spot over Jamison, book it. Would anyone be shocked to see Hedo fall off though? That's probably the element that kept Hedo off the list.


I totally agree with your reasoning, and that's the reasoning the coaches had i'm sure, but the only thing is that it's wrong....I mean pierce, hedo, butler and jameson have the exact same stats (some variations like jameson is + in rebs - in assist but it evens out), however if pierce gets the call because his team has a great record, why shouldn't hedo? if they got chosen because they are americans, that's just fked up, and if they got chosen because like you said they've made a name for themselves, then there's no point in having a great reason for an unknown player as he's gonna get no respect. so yea he was snubbed, but your reasoning is definitely spot on.
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Post#67 » by richboy » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:51 am

Hedo is having a good year but its not like this is a massive snub. I'm not sure if JJ took a spot from him since he playing the guard spot. Jamison has been amazing this year.

The biggest snub is Baron Davis. Brandon Roy is not an allstar player yet. GS has a better record than Portland. Bdiddy is a much better player and its not like the coaches only could take 2 pgs. Baron can play SG very easily. That is the biggest head scratcher.
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Post#68 » by magicman123 » Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:53 am

BoricuaBoi wrote:I truly hope Jamison breaks his ankle. Hedo desreves this so much more than he does. we have like a three game lead on them, lead the division, and still only one all star. thats it the Media hates the Magic.


the media, doesnt vote for the all star reserves..maybe this will motivate hedo the rest of the year..
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Post#69 » by D12Howard » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:05 am

[quote="EasternMagic"]when do we figure out whos in the three point contest[/quote]


JJ Redick already won it....
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Post#70 » by Bay_Areas_Finest » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:15 am

n0tforyou wrote:I'm sorry, all the people moaning about Hedo not making the allstar team over Butler or Pierce need to get their head examined because they likely have a brain aneurism.


What are you talking about? Have you compared the stats between Pierce and Turkoglu? They are almost identical. Saying that Pierce is an obvious choice over Hedo is flat out ignorant.

And to be honest, Jamison deserves to make the all-star game over Pierce AND Hedo. Dude's averaging 20 and 10.

As someone said though, Baron Davis got snubbed badly. Brandon Roy? Kids okay, but B Diddy has been running that show in GS wonderfully.
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Post#71 » by JCav06 » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:21 am

"I truly hope Jamison breaks his ankle. Hedo desreves this so much more than he does. we have like a three game lead on them, lead the division, and still only one all star. thats it the Media hates the Magic."


Wizards fan here. You're wishing injury on another player just so that your boy can play in an exhibition game? That's pretty twisted. If you wanna argue that Hedo should be playing, that's fine. However, I don't think Hedo deserves it "so much more" than Jamison. That three game lead over the Wizards is just that; a three game lead. Chances are good that the Magic will win the division, but it's not as if there is this gigantic gap between the two teams at this point in the season. Also, I wouldn't blame the media for snubbing Hedo. If you want to point the finger, blame the coaches. They're the ones who vote for the fans, not the media. Not trying to troll, just offering my opinions.
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Post#72 » by EasternMagic » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:27 am

BoricuaBoi wrote:I truly hope Jamison breaks his ankle. Hedo desreves this so much more than he does. we have like a three game lead on them, lead the division, and still only one all star. thats it the Media hates the Magic.

as disapointed as i am i would never go that far. Jamison is a good guy and hes having a really good year almost averaging a double double. wishing him a broken ankel is childish and stupid... and hes on my fantasy team come on.
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Post#73 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:28 am

flyingvee wrote:I agree with the above, we think way too highly of soem of our player. Hedo is having a good year but still not better than those other guys. And to think a few weeks back there were murmers of the Magic sending 3 players to the ASG. Our roster is just not that good, and the coaches voting agree with that obviously.



Who's this "we'' you speak of? I'm still looking for some evidence -- any evidence -- that you are a Magic fan.
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Post#74 » by N4U|Redux » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:38 am

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What are you talking about? Have you compared the stats between Pierce and Turkoglu? They are almost identical. Saying that Pierce is an obvious choice over Hedo is flat out ignorant.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes, Hedo is better than Paul Pierce.

Pierce is one of my least favorite players, but c'mon get your head out of your ass.
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Post#75 » by N4U|Redux » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:44 am

karizma87 wrote:I totally agree with your reasoning, and that's the reasoning the coaches had i'm sure, but the only thing is that it's wrong....I mean pierce, hedo, butler and jameson have the exact same stats (some variations like jameson is + in rebs - in assist but it evens out), however if pierce gets the call because his team has a great record, why shouldn't hedo? if they got chosen because they are americans, that's just fked up, and if they got chosen because like you said they've made a name for themselves, then there's no point in having a great reason for an unknown player as he's gonna get no respect. so yea he was snubbed, but your reasoning is definitely spot on.


It's not because they're American -- that's absurd.

At any rate, about the unknown player thing -- it's a lot like college football, a program has to make a name for itself in order to get a high BCS bid at times.

As it pertains to players, it makes sense when there's a borderline case to take the player that has proven himself. It's almost like being in a weird town but going to Subway even though "Bobby's Sandwiches" is just as good: You're sure Subway is good and it's not some fluke. Well, if I didn't know much about Hedo or Jamison, I'd pick Jamison because I know he's historically been better. Hedo will eventually get respect if he keeps it up, he's a huge surprise this year, next year he'll get at allstar position if he keeps it up.
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Post#76 » by magicman123 » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:45 am

im kinda suprised that foyle didnt make it, one center on the east team? foyle got foyled
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Post#77 » by The Letter J » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:51 am

Well, can't say I'm surprised that Hedo didn't make the team. I'm really just surprised that he didn't make it even though they didn't add a back-up C.

It's better that Hedo doesn't make it. The guy has been great this year and has shattered my expectations.

Just keep playing hard and sharing the ball, Turk. The rest will fall in place when some of these other "All-Stars" are at home and we are still in the playoffs.
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Post#78 » by karizma87 » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:54 am

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It's not because they're American -- that's absurd.

At any rate, about the unknown player thing -- it's a lot like college football, a program has to make a name for itself in order to get a high BCS bid at times.

As it pertains to players, it makes sense when there's a borderline case to take the player that has proven himself. It's almost like being in a weird town but going to Subway even though "Bobby's Sandwiches" is just as good: You're sure Subway is good and it's not some fluke. Well, if I didn't know much about Hedo or Jamison, I'd pick Jamison because I know he's historically been better. Hedo will eventually get respect if he keeps it up, he's a huge surprise this year, next year he'll get at allstar position if he keeps it up.


yea but history shouldn't be a factor...it's THIS YEAR'S all-stars. hedo may have the same stats but he has had more impact than jameson in games, and orlando is leading the division. but am i surprised jameson made it? hell no, it was well-deserved by him w/out arenas to carry them this far.
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Post#79 » by N4U|Redux » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:17 am

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yea but history shouldn't be a factor...it's THIS YEAR'S all-stars. hedo may have the same stats but he has had more impact than jameson in games, and orlando is leading the division. but am i surprised jameson made it? hell no, it was well-deserved by him w/out arenas to carry them this far.


I think Jamison made it because of what you said about Arenas.

However, the "history shouldn't be a factor," comment is the ideal case -- we cannot expect the voters to know everything about everyone, so there is some 'bias' in the way of what people are sure of historically.

I hate it, but there's little way around it unless we have computers do the voting for us and/or coaches, which will obviously have it's own issues.

BTW - In the same respect of being unknown (both Hedo and Orlando respectively), most probably regard our improvements primarly on Lewis and SVG, so I doubt he's credited much for our rise outside of the immediate area.
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Post#80 » by MoGrAdY » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:41 am

My problem.. Boston: 2 players. Detroit: 2 players. Orlando: 1 player. Washington: 2 players. How does that work? Hedo should be there and still might be if an injury comes up.

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