The Perfect PF for the Magic

[spinedoc]

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I think this season shows how good a coach Stan is...and its good to be wrong.. But what else do we add if we did the Kings deal? the salary difference is much

Well at the deadline we had expiring contracts to use of course, but going into next year, it would have to be Battie and Bogans to make it work. It may be too much, so a draft pick could be included on their part. And, we could switch Bogans for JJ if need be too. It won't happen, but I think it would make us a better team.

[TooNice00]

that kings deal isn't a good deal. you have to have a trio of stars for the most part to win at a high level in the nba. Giving hedo to the kings would leave us with that hole.

[spinedoc]

that kings deal isn't a good deal. you have to have a trio of stars for the most part to win at a high level in the nba. Giving hedo to the kings would leave us with that hole.

I believe that it actually plugs more holes than it creates. We get a better starting big man to pair with Dwight, and a very capable starting sg in Garcia with a very bright future. Bogans or JJ are expendable imo, and although I like Battie and Hedo, Brad and Garcia are a better fit for this team. Plus I mentioned getting a draft pick in the deal. Although Hedo has been playing out of his mind this year, he still gets too much hype on this board imo.

[TooNice00]

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I believe that it actually plugs more holes than it creates. We get a better starting big man to pair with Dwight, and a very capable starting sg in Garcia with a very bright future. Bogans or JJ are expendable imo, and although I like Battie and Hedo, Brad and Garcia are a better fit for this team. Plus I mentioned getting a draft pick in the deal. Although Hedo has been playing out of his mind this year, he still gets too much hype on this board imo.

ah i know all about the hedo hype because i wanted to trade him for a while this year despite his excellent play. But then i wised up. The man has an un-natural ability in the clutch, not just this year but even in his king and spurs days, and is by far the best passer to dwight. He is starting to gain respect around the league and is even recieving double teams in crunch time. Brad miller and garcia may be good role players but hedo is playing at an all star level. You just don't trade all stars, who are getting paid MLE money, for role players especially a 10 million dollar role player who is 32.

[ProfX]

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ah i know all about the hedo hype because i wanted to trade him for a while this year despite his excellent play. But then i wised up. The man has an un-natural ability in the clutch, not just this year but even in his king and spurs days, and is by far the best passer to dwight. He is starting to gain respect around the league and is even recieving double teams in crunch time. Brad miller and garcia may be good role players but hedo is playing at an all star level. You just don't trade all stars, who are getting paid MLE money, for role players especially a 10 million dollar role player who is 32.

and thats probably why the deal won't happen. and probably why it didnt happen. The playoffs are going to be the measuring stick if we run like we are or balance out the team.

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ah i know all about the hedo hype because i wanted to trade him for a while this year despite his excellent play. But then i wised up. The man has an un-natural ability in the clutch, not just this year but even in his king and spurs days, and is by far the best passer to dwight. He is starting to gain respect around the league and is even recieving double teams in crunch time. Brad miller and garcia may be good role players but hedo is playing at an all star level. You just don't trade all stars, who are getting paid MLE money, for role players especially a 10 million dollar role player who is 32.

I'm sure its a moot point, and your probably right, Hedo isn't going to get traded anyway. I like the guy, but by keeping him it means that someone is always going to play out of position. I worry a little bit about that. I'm not sold on Hedo playing sg, and I'm not too excited about Shard playing pf long term. Also, I'm concerned about the contract demands from Hedo on top of everything else.

[TooNice00]

yeah we will have to wait till the playoffs to see how the rashard and hedo experiment work. However the magic just need a big man. They don't even have the ability to go big. Foyle, Cook, and Garrity are scrubs and even have their own youtube videos dedicated to them sucking. The magic just need a good solid big man to spot minutes during dwights, rashards, and hedos breaks. It would help improve our rebounding margin and provide defense. You know how hedo always comes out around the 6th minute mark or so in the first. If we had say tony battie coming in for those six minutes it would change everything. I dunno maybe hedo can even play the SG position next year. It may hurt us on defense, then again we survived with grant hill there, but we would murder them on the boards and give them big time matchup problems.

[eyriq]

I agree wholeheartedly with theTHEIF. The Magic don't need much more in the offseaon and have enough even this year to do damage in the East.

As for the trade Hedo for Miller debate, I think a better target would be Artest. He can then play the 4 and allow Lewis to play the three, and he offers more versatility than Miller does. All in all I think that Hedo is a better fit for us than either of those players, especially with his increased point-forward skills making him a very good first option and play maker the likes of which there are few others in the league. I just don't see how you trade that away.

[Cammo101]

If we traded Hedo for Artest I would become a Hawks fan.

[TheRevTy]

If we are trading Hedo, we shouldn't be looking at guys who "can" play the 4. We should look at guys who either A.) have played their whole career as a power forward or B.)Have played power forward in the past and that position is their best position (in other words, it wouldn't hurt if we acquire someone who CAN play other positions, so long as power forward is their forte).

I also don't want Artest. There are ways of adding grit without adding a police record.

[EasternMagic]

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I agree with him on Murphy. He is a good scorer -- but some nights he does absolutely nothing. He and Dunleavy seem to take turns scoring on that team along with Granger because, really, who else is going to score? And he makes a lot of boneheaded mistakes and always is getting some freak injury. There are things about Foster that I like a lot. You're right....he doesn't score much. But he's a clever player on defense and is a pest under the boards. It depends on if you think the Magic need a starter or a role player. I don't know if Foster is enough of a scoring threat to be a starter, especially if you don't already have a shooting guard that regularly scores as much as other teams' shooting guards. You don't want the starters to be playing 3-on-5 offensively. And if you're still going to have Battie on the roster, then are you telling Foyle to go away? How many role-playing power forwards can you have if you don't a legitimate power starter at the spot?

that makes sense i definitely see what you're saying. to be completely honest i havent seen much of foster this year but i see where your coming from with him.

[lovehoops01]

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Sean May would have been a good big to come off the bench, but I guess he wasn't available when we drafted Fran..... :banghead:

Yeah, and that little issue with May not being able to stay healthy enough to stay on the court. You know how many games he has played in his NBA career? 58 out of a possible 239. He missed this entire season. I don't think he would have been much help.

[lovehoops01]

trading hedo for brad, haslem, or any other medicore PF is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He makes 6 million a year and that probably makes him one of the most underpaid players in the entire league not under a rookie salary. Why trade a borderline or actual all star, who is on a great salary, averaging 20ppg for a AVERAGE PF of simlar age making 6-10 million? Makes no sense financially or basketball wise. Statiscally speaking brad miller and haslem would look worse along side howard. Neither of them will be close to pulling down double digit rebounding as they are now.

Well, I don't care about Miller's rebounding as much as I do his ability to pass the ball and hit the jump shot. That would help, too. But I don't want to trade Hedo for him. It's not the difference in salaries that bothers me as much as the difference in health. Turkoglu has been a pretty healthy guy....Miller, he has his seasons when he can't get healthy. He's a very nice player....but he's got ankle, knee and back issues. I'd like him on the team, but I don't want to give up Hedo for him.

[lovehoops01]

Thief, curious as to why you say we could never get those three. I agree with Brand and Bosh, they are pipedreams, but Jermaine figures to be gone from Indiana this offseason. I wouldn't call it an impossibility.

I actually think that either Bosh or Brand would be more likely to want to come here than JO. They both have gotten to know Dwight well on the national team. The problem is the money. With Brand ready to be a free agent either this summer or next, I could see either Miami or Washington or Chicago trying to trade for him, though. (If I were Brand, it would be a cold day in hell before I'd go back to Chicago, though, after they already traded me once. They need to get a really good coach in there because that situation is a mess right now.)

When Tracy was here, I wanted more than anything to get JO. They were friends, and I thought they would have complemented each other great, which is why I couldn't understand why he wouldn't listen to Bird when he visited here and tried to get T-Mac to agree to a trade to Indiana when the Magic were dealing (Tracy must REALLY hate cold weather). But anyway, JO and Tracy have the same agent (who also is J.J.'s by the way)...a very powerful agent. And I'm not sure he really would recommend that JO come here in free agency after the past few years. It will be interesting to see what will happen with Jermaine if he doesn't stay in Indiana because most of the teams that I think he would fit well with already have good big men. New Jersey could use him. Would they trade Vince or R.J. for him? I could see that happening.

[TheRevTy]

Oh, as far as want to come to Orlando, I could see a couple distinct possibilities among top free agents. Gilbert, Bosh, Josh Smith, Antawn Jamison. However, the green is what finally lures them in, and we lack that. I only said JO because he will most likely be on the move, and we CAN make trades.

For the record, Bosh is really good friends with Dwight from their Georgia days. Seems a lot of people are. Hope that helps us one day.

[lovehoops01]

For the record, Bosh is really good friends with Dwight from their Georgia days. Seems a lot of people are. Hope that helps us one day.

I didn't know that. Thanks for passing that along. Yeah, I hope that helps us one day, too. There have been a lot of good players coming out of Georgia high schools and colleges the past few years.

[UKMagic]

I'd settle for a prime Horace Grant...

[TheRevTy]

I was just pondering in my head, and I wonder...

Antawn Jamison?

Another guy who is good friends with Dwight, getting up there in age, could want to go to a contending team, take a little less stress on his body by playing next to a real bigman...

[NEM]

pat the bastard ftw!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well, I don't care about Miller's rebounding as much as I do his ability to pass the ball and hit the jump shot. That would help, too. But I don't want to trade Hedo for him. It's not the difference in salaries that bothers me as much as the difference in health. Turkoglu has been a pretty healthy guy....Miller, he has his seasons when he can't get healthy. He's a very nice player....but he's got ankle, knee and back issues. I'd like him on the team, but I don't want to give up Hedo for him.

Not even if we got Garcia in the deal? I watched the Kings again last night against the Clips. The guy is very talented. I don't see much of a drop off from Hedo at all actually. And to get a good passing big man like Brad as well, Hedo's numbers wouldn't be missed at all. Brad is averaging almost 4 assists a game, from the center position, and Garcia got 17pts coming off the bench last night. As was already said, lets see what happens in the playoffs. If we sputter, we may very well have to trade Hedo to find pieces that fit better on this team.