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[orlando_joe]

Looking for "any" reason? You really think we're grasping at straws here? I got news for you, most of Hillary's family don't even like her. You'll need to get more creative than that. This is not helpful btw. I saw your little joke at the grocery store too, how old are you man?

OK, if Obama had done what Trumps has done in this situation, the world would be bending over backwards to praise him including most of RealGM.

But that's just it, he didn't do what Trump is doing right now. We have a direct comparison, he let the medical experts take control and talk to the public. He viewed his job as cutting the red tape and provide as much assistance as he could to those medical professionals. And when it was all said and done?, he appointed a global pandemic task force in the National Security Council which Trump disbanded. So, what the hell are you talking about? I didn't need to respond, because your comments so far late in this discussion have been very illustrative to many earlier points that have been made. Partisanship is hindering the response right now, you are not helpful. Its tough when you have anti-government people that are now actually responsible for governing. There is such a thing as good government.

obama did not even work...you saw him every 6 months or so..he threw money at things and took a nap

[orlando_joe]

Oh look, its devolved into whataboutism.


That... Actually... Took much longer than I thought it would!

So, erm... Congratulations?..

Yup, criticism comes with the job. If you can't take it, shouldn't have run for the position. One other thing here is, he absolutely knew what was coming. Trump just said at a very long briefing today that no one knew this was possible. It turns out the government did a mock study on this just last year. Its called Crimson Contagion. The reports are starting to break now, all of this was predicted and suppressed early on. Whether you like this guy or not, this is now Trumps' Katrina.

no its not ...lol...he might get a 3rd term for how great he is doing...lol

[basketballRob]

Here’s one link:

https://crooked.com/articles/trump-coronavirus-scapegoating/

And another:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/15/apocalyptic-trumps-xenophobic-travel-ban-causes-chaos-us-airports%3Famp

And another that is more about Xenophobia than racism.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/12/trump-travel-ban-cant-deport-the-coronavirus/


There was also a coincidental ban on travel from countries in Northern Africa in late February that was considered racist. I’m just saying—it’s been a damned if you do/don’t for him. Trump should not have uttered the word “hoax” at any point, because here we are now and this is very real, but he was going to be labeled incompetent or racist or sexist or classist or a science denier no mater what he chose to do. Until we heard about free money of course.

Never heard of those people

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[basketballRob]

that first reported case, they had already exposed people, who exposed people, who exposed people. Look at NY. 1 man basically quarantined an entire town.

Plus remember the travel ban and closing of boarders was “racist”.

If you're referring to when Trump wanted to ban travel to and from countries where a majority of citizens are Muslim and that's the reason for the ban - then, yes, that's racist. Banning travel to and from where a pandemic outbreak is occurring? Not racist.

The majority of liberal media praised him for doing that

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[EAS Law]

I think it's okay to think Trump mishandled this initially not taking it serious enough, but has since done appropriate measures. I don't expect the media on either side to ever express anything positive about the other side of the political aisle.

100% fact

[EAS Law]

Here’s one link:

https://crooked.com/articles/trump-coronavirus-scapegoating/

And another:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/15/apocalyptic-trumps-xenophobic-travel-ban-causes-chaos-us-airports%3Famp

And another that is more about Xenophobia than racism.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/12/trump-travel-ban-cant-deport-the-coronavirus/


There was also a coincidental ban on travel from countries in Northern Africa in late February that was considered racist. I’m just saying—it’s been a damned if you do/don’t for him. Trump should not have uttered the word “hoax” at any point, because here we are now and this is very real, but he was going to be labeled incompetent or racist or sexist or classist or a science denier no mater what he chose to do. Until we heard about free money of course.

Never heard of those people

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And that’s fine, I agree those sources aren’t exactly CNN or Fox or MSNBC etc, but this was the message and I’m not going to pretend that I know for fact, but like I said, once outlets look like fools for spewing garbage BS, they edit and pull and make “statements” about their reckless and biased “journalism”.

You asked me for sources. I didn’t make it up.

[SOUL]

Ya'll were warned.

Any continuing COVID talk can be done on the General Board, all threads will be locked here.

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[SOUL]

Reopening the thread. Place nice or it gets locked again.

People can be critical/supportive of how it's being treated without derailing the thread or attacking others.

This will heavily moderated.

Carry on.

[Driguez]

Read on Twitter

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[TheChaser]

Wow, this thread really did go all political...

[Optimus_Steel]

Thank you for reopening. I wouldn't be shocked if sometime today FL is placed on lockdown.

[JF5]

We have had enough from the Extremist Left wingers looking for any possible excuse to trash Trump. If Hillary was President and did the same exact things Trump has done, then these same would be praising her.

Of course not, would be bashing her as well had she not taken this seriously and delayed the response. The Dems in congress have been terrible as well, the things they are proposing are far short of what is needed. Swift action is needed and they are taking half measures and dragging their feet. They need to act now.

I bet the extremist right wingers would!!!

Besides, NO country enacted swift action outside of Russia and maybe South Korea. So, 97.5% of the world leadership has failed. People need to get over it and look at what we can do instead of whining over stupid stuff.

This is part of the problem when it comes to situations like these. Trump's administration mocked the situation a few weeks ago and said it was a "liberal hoax" while some of his goons on Fox news did likewise.

Disinformation and political nonsense hindered the ability to prepare for situation like this. The health task force being depleted of funds, the readiness of the government during an emergency situation, and the overall initial flippant attitude that most likely cost the people that voted in Trump billions of dollars in the long run.

I do agree you cant completely control disease spreads. Proactive behavior early on could've most likely hindered the spread and not caused a current site where millions of people might be held hostage for the next several months when it comes to employment and income (which now looks like there will be a recession). Rather than the few weeks if initially contained. Trump is now doing the right thing but he clearly dropped the ball and even made the situation worse with his previous comments. He screwed up and there has to be accountability taken there.

[j-ragg]

Didn't take long...

[Dubious Kitty]

Of course not, would be bashing her as well had she not taken this seriously and delayed the response. The Dems in congress have been terrible as well, the things they are proposing are far short of what is needed. Swift action is needed and they are taking half measures and dragging their feet. They need to act now.

I bet the extremist right wingers would!!!

Besides, NO country enacted swift action outside of Russia and maybe South Korea. So, 97.5% of the world leadership has failed. People need to get over it and look at what we can do instead of whining over stupid stuff.

This is part of the problem when it comes to situations like these. Trump's administration mocked the situation a few weeks ago and said it was a "liberal hoax" while some of his goons on Fox news did likewise.

Disinformation and political nonsense hindered the ability to prepare for situation like this. The health task force being depleted of funds, the readiness of the government during an emergency situation, and the overall initial flippant attitude that most likely cost the people that voted in Trump billions of dollars in the long run.

I do agree you cant completely control disease spreads. Proactive behavior early on could've most likely hindered the spread and not caused a current site where millions of people might be held hostage for the next several months when it comes to employment and income (which now looks like there will be a recession). Rather than the few weeks if initially contained. Trump is now doing the right thing but he clearly dropped the ball and even made the situation worse with his previous comments. He screwed up and there has to be accountability taken there.

100%. I'm a physician. And this was a complete failure by the Trump administration.

Most of this is because he was delaying what was necessary because HE thought this was political and didn't take it seriously enough. HIs incompetence is staggering and now were all paying the price for it.

[BadMofoPimp]

Of course not, would be bashing her as well had she not taken this seriously and delayed the response. The Dems in congress have been terrible as well, the things they are proposing are far short of what is needed. Swift action is needed and they are taking half measures and dragging their feet. They need to act now.

I bet the extremist right wingers would!!!

Besides, NO country enacted swift action outside of Russia and maybe South Korea. So, 97.5% of the world leadership has failed. People need to get over it and look at what we can do instead of whining over stupid stuff.

This is part of the problem when it comes to situations like these. Trump's administration mocked the situation a few weeks ago and said it was a "liberal hoax" while some of his goons on Fox news did likewise.

Disinformation and political nonsense hindered the ability to prepare for situation like this. The health task force being depleted of funds, the readiness of the government during an emergency situation, and the overall initial flippant attitude that most likely cost the people that voted in Trump billions of dollars in the long run.

I do agree you cant completely control disease spreads. Proactive behavior early on could've most likely hindered the spread and not caused a current site where millions of people might be held hostage for the next several months when it comes to employment and income (which now looks like there will be a recession). Rather than the few weeks if initially contained. Trump is now doing the right thing but he clearly dropped the ball and even made the situation worse with his previous comments. He screwed up and there has to be accountability taken there.

I agree to an extent except that nobody wanted extreme measures weaks ago from any political spectrum. Lets say Trump enacted extreme measures weaks early, the right and left would have flipped out. I personally think that millions would have been exposed regardless. People just want to blame somebody and the head of state always gets the blame. I think Trump could be blamed for many things, but mostly only for him opening his mouth and saying stupid things because if Obama had been in his position and did the exact same things, people would be singing a different tune. So, I blame the mouth, not the acts.

[JF5]

I bet the extremist right wingers would!!!

Besides, NO country enacted swift action outside of Russia and maybe South Korea. So, 97.5% of the world leadership has failed. People need to get over it and look at what we can do instead of whining over stupid stuff.

This is part of the problem when it comes to situations like these. Trump's administration mocked the situation a few weeks ago and said it was a "liberal hoax" while some of his goons on Fox news did likewise.

Disinformation and political nonsense hindered the ability to prepare for situation like this. The health task force being depleted of funds, the readiness of the government during an emergency situation, and the overall initial flippant attitude that most likely cost the people that voted in Trump billions of dollars in the long run.

I do agree you cant completely control disease spreads. Proactive behavior early on could've most likely hindered the spread and not caused a current site where millions of people might be held hostage for the next several months when it comes to employment and income (which now looks like there will be a recession). Rather than the few weeks if initially contained. Trump is now doing the right thing but he clearly dropped the ball and even made the situation worse with his previous comments. He screwed up and there has to be accountability taken there.

I agree to an extent except that nobody wanted extreme measures weaks ago from any political spectrum. Lets say Trump enacted extreme measures weaks early, the right and left would have flipped out. I personally think that millions would have been exposed regardless. People just want to blame somebody and the head of state always gets the blame. I think Trump could be blamed for many things, but mostly only for him opening his mouth and saying stupid things because if Obama had been in his position and did the exact same things, people would be singing a different tune. So, I blame the mouth, not the acts.

BMP... The "What if so and so" doesn't matter at this point. Trump Supporters voted him for that exact reason because they believed their guy would do a much better job than the previous President. Every President/Leader EVER has to deal with a crisis during their time of power. The only variables that matter at this point is response and results. NOTHING else matters...

Plus with different people/leaders placed in said hypothetical situation might've handled the situation much more differently. That's why that point/doesn't make any sense or never made sense because people are different. You can argue impact but it's hard to say if people would do go through identical processes.

The facts right now are that Trump handled this poorly initially and needs to find a way where the results at least put the American people in a below average to decent shape once this is all over. What ifs do nothing for people who need to pay their mortgage or if they have enough for groceries to bypass this. This is real life where the "Deep State Department" comments mean nothing.

[Dubious Kitty]

I bet the extremist right wingers would!!!

Besides, NO country enacted swift action outside of Russia and maybe South Korea. So, 97.5% of the world leadership has failed. People need to get over it and look at what we can do instead of whining over stupid stuff.

This is part of the problem when it comes to situations like these. Trump's administration mocked the situation a few weeks ago and said it was a "liberal hoax" while some of his goons on Fox news did likewise.

Disinformation and political nonsense hindered the ability to prepare for situation like this. The health task force being depleted of funds, the readiness of the government during an emergency situation, and the overall initial flippant attitude that most likely cost the people that voted in Trump billions of dollars in the long run.

I do agree you cant completely control disease spreads. Proactive behavior early on could've most likely hindered the spread and not caused a current site where millions of people might be held hostage for the next several months when it comes to employment and income (which now looks like there will be a recession). Rather than the few weeks if initially contained. Trump is now doing the right thing but he clearly dropped the ball and even made the situation worse with his previous comments. He screwed up and there has to be accountability taken there.

I agree to an extent except that nobody wanted extreme measures weaks ago from any political spectrum. Lets say Trump enacted extreme measures weaks early, the right and left would have flipped out. I personally think that millions would have been exposed regardless. People just want to blame somebody and the head of state always gets the blame. I think Trump could be blamed for many things, but mostly only for him opening his mouth and saying stupid things because if Obama had been in his position and did the exact same things, people would be singing a different tune. So, I blame the mouth, not the acts.

Completely irrelevant -- who gives a **** what people may or may not have wanted at the time. We had at LEAST 1 month to prepare. He spent that month saying coronavirus was a hoax, saying he'd get the numbers to zero, etc. He should know better as the commander in chief and we're supposed to rely on him to make difficult decisions when the general population doesn't know better. He should have listened to his advisors, ordered MORE TESTS, ORDERED MORE PROTECTIVE equipment, etc.

Now we can see that this is going to devastate the economy and possibly send unemployment to 20%. Were now having to spend MORE money because we need to send every american a check.

Can we stop talking about Obama? Trumps' been in here for 3 years. He needs to stop talking about previous administrations and start dealing with the crises we are facing right now. It's getting tiring. The fact of the matter is, he cut CDC funding by 80% and disbanded an obama era pandemic team that was meant to FIGHT things like this. So if were mentioning Obama, its even more obvious that what Trump did was a catastrophic failure.

[Dubious Kitty]

Washington Post: US intelligence warned Trump in January and February as he dismissed coronavirus threat

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html

Jesus christ. No wonder we're so behind on testing and protective equipment. We're trying to make up for lost time.

[BadMofoPimp]

This is part of the problem when it comes to situations like these. Trump's administration mocked the situation a few weeks ago and said it was a "liberal hoax" while some of his goons on Fox news did likewise.

Disinformation and political nonsense hindered the ability to prepare for situation like this. The health task force being depleted of funds, the readiness of the government during an emergency situation, and the overall initial flippant attitude that most likely cost the people that voted in Trump billions of dollars in the long run.

I do agree you cant completely control disease spreads. Proactive behavior early on could've most likely hindered the spread and not caused a current site where millions of people might be held hostage for the next several months when it comes to employment and income (which now looks like there will be a recession). Rather than the few weeks if initially contained. Trump is now doing the right thing but he clearly dropped the ball and even made the situation worse with his previous comments. He screwed up and there has to be accountability taken there.

I agree to an extent except that nobody wanted extreme measures weaks ago from any political spectrum. Lets say Trump enacted extreme measures weaks early, the right and left would have flipped out. I personally think that millions would have been exposed regardless. People just want to blame somebody and the head of state always gets the blame. I think Trump could be blamed for many things, but mostly only for him opening his mouth and saying stupid things because if Obama had been in his position and did the exact same things, people would be singing a different tune. So, I blame the mouth, not the acts.

BMP... The "What if so and so" doesn't matter at this point. Trump Supporters voted him for that exact reason because they believed their guy would do a much better job than the previous President. Every President/Leader EVER has to deal with a crisis during their time of power. The only variables that matter at this point is response and results. NOTHING else matters...

Plus with different people/leaders placed in said hypothetical situation might've handled the situation much more differently. That's why that point/doesn't make any sense or never made sense because people are different. You can argue impact but it's hard to say if people would do go through identical processes.

The facts right now are that Trump handled this poorly initially and needs to find a way where the results at least put the American people in a below average to decent shape once this is all over. What ifs do nothing for people who need to pay their mortgage or if they have enough for groceries to bypass this. This is real life where the "Deep State Department" comments mean nothing.

I am not stating that Trump is doing great or defending him just pointing out that Trump haters are the ones who are promoting their Trump hating agenda. If Obama was pres when this happened, the extremist right wingers would be on here doing the same thing. Just pointing out the facts. Trump haters will flood this board with their rhetoric.

[pepe1991]

Just saw some interview with Italian doctor, he pretty much said that not a single health care system in the world in not equipped to deal with pandemia because they simply can't take care about so many people at once.

Unlike in US most other countries have "free " health care and part of their system to care about bigger population at once. Italy itself has the oldest population in Europe ( average age over 45 ) and that's probably biggest reason why they are red zone.

So goal is to contain and slow virus down by keeping number of ill people low.
Italy is literally going through complete disaster. Mostly because how casual and careless people there were at start, not taking care of themselfs as they were told to do.

As for sports, same doctor said that he can't see normal life and sports going back before October . That's his optimistic assumsion.

We are yet to be hit with biggest wave of virus. People are morons, all around the world nobody really takes care. Our governments try, but people simply do not listen. You see morons going for a walks, morons playing sports , morons grouping together at mass meatings. We litearlly are dumb and are killing ourself.

Stay at your freaking home, play video games, hang with your parents, make a love to your partners , make pushups, watch netflix, watch porn, do whatever . Or else, we will literally have Spanish flue once again.