Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread

[RookieStar]

Kispert can really shoot the ball if we had a second pick. He looks a little like Joe Harris.

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Like him and Franz Wagner in that range.
Kispert 22y @draft 6'7 .702 ts% .463 3pt
Wagner 19y@draft 6'8 .642 ts .371 3%
Franz also gives 1blk 1.4stl with a 2.3 ast/to

if we are looking for the next great white hope shooter, why bot MATT HURT from Duke? Guy is lightals out shooter and scorer. plus he is taller thab them and hia shot ia hard to.block

[basketballRob]

Here's the percentages of getting a top 5 pick based on draft position. If we get in the bottom 3, it's likely we'll get a top 5 pick.

1. 100%
2. 79.9%
3. 66.8%
4. 50.3%
5. 44.5%

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[thelead]

I just don't see 'it' with Cade

[Bakomagic]

Tune in to Ok vs OK St right now on ESPN Cade is about to take over again like he did this past weekend.

[Knightro]

Definitely felt like Oklahoma came into the game with a clear "do not let Cade beat us" gameplan coming off his 40 points in the last meeting. They were doubling him both on and off the ball all night.

He still managed 15 PTS, 7 REB, 4 AST on just 8 FGA. Being an 85%+ FT shooter certainly doesn't hurt.

[Knightro]

I just don't see 'it' with Cade

His lack of burst off the dribble is certainly noticeable enough to give some pause. There are more ugly possessions where he tries to dribble around people and just can't do it than you'd like to see out of a No. 1 overall pick.

But he's such a good shooter from deep and draws fouls at such a high rate that it more than makes up for it.

Here's how his shooting and foul drawing compares to all the top 5 wing prospects from the last 5 years.

2019 4th overall: Hunter .438% on 5.6 attempts/100 (RS soph stats)
2021 TBD overall: Cunningham .432% on 7.5 attempts/100
2016 2nd overall: Ingram .410% on 9.1 attempts/100
2017 4th overall: Jackson .378% on 3.3 attempts/100
2017 3rd overall: Tatum .342% on 6.9 attempts/100
2020 4th overall: Williams .320% on 4.4 attempts/100
2019 3rd overall: Barrett .308% on 9.7 attempts/100
2020 1st overall: Edwards .294% on 12.9 attempts/100
2016 3rd overall: Brown .294% on 6.4 attempts/100
2020 5th overall: Okoro .286% on 4.5 attempts/100

Brown .574 FT rate, 65%
Okoro .551 FT rate, 67%
Jackson .403 FT rate, 57%
Hunter .398 FT rate, 78% (RS soph stats)
Cunningham .396 FT rate, 85%
Tatum .381 FT rate, 85%
Williams .357 FT rate, 84%
Ingram .351 FT rate, 68%
Edwards .339 FT rate, 77%
Barrett .338 FT rate, 69%

The eye test may not match it all the time, but on a pure statistical basis (3PT and FT volume + conversion rate), Cade is one of the best three-level scoring college wings this decade.

[Knightro]

The Cavs also won their 4th in a row tonight, giving them 14 wins.

Orlando now has sole possession of the 4th worst record.

[RookieStar]

The Cavs also won their 4th in a row tonight, giving them 14 wins.

Orlando now has sole possession of the 4th worst record.

we need to claim #3 just to be sure. i mean kuminga or mobley is fine but there is just something about the top 3 guard/wings over the top 2 big man..

[Knightro]

we need to claim #3 just to be sure. i mean kuminga or mobley is fine but there is just something about the top 3 guard/wings over the top 2 big man..

There are a lot of people who believe Mobley will be the second player picked.

And Kuminga is definitely a wing, not a big.

[RookieStar]

we need to claim #3 just to be sure. i mean kuminga or mobley is fine but there is just something about the top 3 guard/wings over the top 2 big man..

There are a lot of people who believe Mobley will be the second player picked.

And Kuminga is definitely a wing, not a big.

depends on who is picking.. if its us or det, do you think we will take Mobley knwoing we have a lot of bigs? Okc SAC MIN maybe they need a PF..

who else is possibly in the top5 picking?

Kuminga can br projected as a wing all he wants but unless he keeps bombing from 3 he is a PF to me FOR NOW.

[SOUL]

This team could be entirely different by next year. Only person I don't think we'd take is Mobley since the whole Vuc/Bamba fiasco but everyone else seems fair game.

[RookieStar]

This team could be entirely different by next year. Only person I don't think we'd take is Mobley since the whole Vuc/Bamba fiasco but everyone else seems fair game.

Even Kuminga? knwoing we have JI or Chuma? unless everyone here is convinced he is a full time SF? Which for me he is a wing in the same mold as AG.

But we will see. I myself have seen less than a months worh of games from him to judge early

[SOUL]

This team could be entirely different by next year. Only person I don't think we'd take is Mobley since the whole Vuc/Bamba fiasco but everyone else seems fair game.

Even Kuminga? knwoing we have JI or Chuma? unless everyone here is convinced he is a full time SF? Which for me he is a wing in the same mold as AG.

But we will see. I myself have seen less than a months worh of games from him to judge early

Chuma could still be effective off the bench imo if there's a clear upgrade like Kuminga. As long as he gets minutes there then I have no issue. Not that I expect our rookies to ever start immediately anyway lol

[RookieStar]

This team could be entirely different by next year. Only person I don't think we'd take is Mobley since the whole Vuc/Bamba fiasco but everyone else seems fair game.

Even Kuminga? knwoing we have JI or Chuma? unless everyone here is convinced he is a full time SF? Which for me he is a wing in the same mold as AG.

But we will see. I myself have seen less than a months worh of games from him to judge early

Chuma could still be effective off the bench imo if there's a clear upgrade like Kuminga. As long as he gets minutes there then I have no issue. Not that I expect our rookies to ever start immediately anyway lol

lol same... im scared that cliffy wont start a top rated rookie but im.hoping FO would force him to if nothing else for more media and sales exposure.

BUT right now chuma to.me still hasnt regained his form in collegw to.be effective in the 3. Maybe spot minutes. So he is primarily the backup 4. Kuminga for me just doesnt give me the wing vibes... i dunno when you talk of wings i imagine tier 1 - kawhi pg ingram butler.... or lesser tiers. Cam, RJ, brown, hunter, hayward...

[drsd]

The Cavs also won their 4th in a row tonight, giving them 14 wins.

Orlando now has sole possession of the 4th worst record.

Washington is 7-3 in their last 10; Chicago 6-4.

The Magic is 3 games out of the play-in slots (the 10-seed) and 4 1/2 out of an assured playoff slot (the #6 seed).

With the recent loss, Orlando is now 1 game up on the 3rd worst team: the Rockets. But at 0-10 in their last 10 games, Houston has gone as pro-tank as Detroit and Minnesota.

Orlando being paired with Sacramento is interesting in that both teams might have been forecasted to make the play-in before the season started.

In conclusion, right now I see several clusters in the standings:

1) the horrible, pro-tank teams: Minnesota/Detroit/Houston look to go 1st-to-3rd worst in some order
2a) the bad, but hopeful teams: Orlando/Sacramento/Cleveland
2b) the overachievers: Washington/Oklahoma City. Those 5 look to fill out the 4th-to-9th worst teams.
3) the play-in hopeful teams: Atlanta/Chicago/Indiana/Charlotte/New Orleans/Memphis
4) the play-in /playoff-hopefuls as nearly certain: Toronto/Boston/Miami/New York(WOW!)/Dallas/Golden State/Denver/San Antonio(wow)/Portland
5) the playoff assured teams: Phoenix(wow)/LAC/LAL/Utah/Milwaukee/Brooklyn/Philadelphia

[Knightro]

I do think Houston could start winning some games in the second half when they get Christian Wood back from injury.

He was averaging 22 PPG, 10 RPG with a .634 TS% when he sprained his ankle.

[GelbeWand09]

This team could be entirely different by next year. Only person I don't think we'd take is Mobley since the whole Vuc/Bamba fiasco but everyone else seems fair game.

Even Kuminga? knwoing we have JI or Chuma? unless everyone here is convinced he is a full time SF? Which for me he is a wing in the same mold as AG.

But we will see. I myself have seen less than a months worh of games from him to judge early

TBH i havent watched the top 5 at all yet. I cant say anything about Kuminga. But AG's way bigger problem is that he cant beat anyone off the dribble. You still can be a super efficient scorer at SF/PF with mediocre 3P shooting if your drive is unstoppable. Zion is super eff. without taking 3's at all, because he can get to the rim whenever he wants & is a god like finisher. Can Kuminga beat SF with his dribble?

[RookieStar]

This team could be entirely different by next year. Only person I don't think we'd take is Mobley since the whole Vuc/Bamba fiasco but everyone else seems fair game.

Even Kuminga? knwoing we have JI or Chuma? unless everyone here is convinced he is a full time SF? Which for me he is a wing in the same mold as AG.

But we will see. I myself have seen less than a months worh of games from him to judge early

TBH i havent watched the top 5 at all yet. I cant say anything about Kuminga. But AG's way bigger problem is that he cant beat anyone off the dribble. You still can be a super efficient scorer at SF/PF with mediocre 3P shooting if your drive is unstoppable. Zion is super eff. without taking 3's at all, because he can get to the rim whenever he wants & is a god like finisher. Can Kuminga beat SF with his dribble?

Good observation. Especially about that 3pt range. The thing is, Kuminga right now is up against GL level talent where he can overpower most guys being sent to stop him. And even if he has the handles or speed ( which I really haven't seen him do that much) to get by his man, they won't be the same quality of defenders in the league.

Thus, I project him to be a big rather than a wing for now.

[RookieStar]

I do think Houston could start winning some games in the second half when they get Christian Wood back from injury.

He was averaging 22 PPG, 10 RPG with a .634 TS% when he sprained his ankle.

Once Wood gets back and once they trade Dipo for a better fit come deadline, they will start racking some wins.

[zaymon]

This team could be entirely different by next year. Only person I don't think we'd take is Mobley since the whole Vuc/Bamba fiasco but everyone else seems fair game.

Even Kuminga? knwoing we have JI or Chuma? unless everyone here is convinced he is a full time SF? Which for me he is a wing in the same mold as AG.

But we will see. I myself have seen less than a months worh of games from him to judge early

TBH i havent watched the top 5 at all yet. I cant say anything about Kuminga. But AG's way bigger problem is that he cant beat anyone off the dribble. You still can be a super efficient scorer at SF/PF with mediocre 3P shooting if your drive is unstoppable. Zion is super eff. without taking 3's at all, because he can get to the rim whenever he wants & is a god like finisher. Can Kuminga beat SF with his dribble?

I think Kuminga has more shake than AG, but not much. Both Cade and Kuminga doesnt look like lead ball handlers at all. Thats why i am not very high on us tanking this year.